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Rossi black ops 98 or moment pbj

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the_armidilo
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Need new sticks for next season at bridger mainly for all mountain jibbing, cliffs, chutes ect and some park (only like 25% of my riding). Im 6'0 165 and already have dedicated pow skis so that performance doesn't matter too much for these.
Apr 7 2019 2:29PM
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CalumSKI
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why dont you try the death wish
Apr 7 2019 5:13PM
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Rum_Ham
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Pb&js are great skis. Stable but still super easy to whip around in tight spots.
Apr 7 2019 6:19PM
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shin-bang
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I personally like something in a triple digits waist width for dropping cliffs. Whether it’s drops to soft snow, or even firm, wider and stiffer has always helped me out.
Apr 7 2019 8:46PM
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CalumSKI
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Do you want to get them rn or next year cause they are out of stock rn that's why I suggested deathwishes
Apr 7 2019 8:52PM
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Stoned4days
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New blackops are stiffer for sure. (Metal mount plate) and I cant 100% confirm but looks like stringers in the 98s at least. The Moments will be a bit jibbier but in terms of stomping stuff the blackops would be my choice. I ski the 118s pretty heavily and really like em for hucking my meat cause they are so stable and will crush through anything.

Gotta say I like moments topsheets way better though. The new black panther is just not doin it for me.
Apr 7 2019 9:17PM
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skiP.E.I.
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I have no info on the Moments but I've seen one person blow up 3 pairs of black Ops this season (Whole top layer of the ski ripped off, down to the wood core along with the bindings on all of them), and I had a pair of Rossis recently which also didn't last long.
Apr 8 2019 2:14PM
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Stoned4days
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skiP.E.I.I have no info on the Moments but I've seen one person blow up 3 pairs of black Ops this season (Whole top layer of the ski ripped off, down to the wood core along with the bindings on all of them), and I had a pair of Rossis recently which also didn't last long.


Top layer of the ski meaning he pulled out the mount plate too or just pulled screws out? If he has gone through 3 pairs it sounds like the shop is mounting wrong. The Souls and some other rossis are known to be a bit soft but havent heard this about the BOps
Apr 8 2019 9:18PM
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skiP.E.I.
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Stoned4daysTop layer of the ski meaning he pulled out the mount plate too or just pulled screws out? If he has gone through 3 pairs it sounds like the shop is mounting wrong. The Souls and some other rossis are known to be a bit soft but havent heard this about the BOps

Its possible that its bad mounting I guess. screws came out but also like almost the whole topsheet and all the glass down to the core. They did warranty 2 pairs.
Apr 8 2019 11:10PM
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Stoned4days
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skiP.E.I.Its possible that its bad mounting I guess. screws came out but also like almost the whole topsheet and all the glass down to the core. They did warranty 2 pairs.


Dang that really sucks. Obviously its hard to say what went wrong their without some investigation. Thats nice of Rossi to warranty two pair tho. Hopefully it doesnt become a third.
Apr 8 2019 11:18PM
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nkwillie
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Heard good things about the pbj in other threads, I ride the Black Ops 118 at bridger and frickin love them. They're the 2016/17 though so I'm not sure how different the 98 is in terms of build, also it's two years later so things could have changed. If they are the same aside from waist, super rad ski that rips everything in my experience with them.
Apr 10 2019 12:18AM
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patagonialuke
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nkwillieHeard good things about the pbj in other threads, I ride the Black Ops 118 at bridger and frickin love them. They're the 2016/17 though so I'm not sure how different the 98 is in terms of build, also it's two years later so things could have changed. If they are the same aside from waist, super rad ski that rips everything in my experience with them.


BO 118 hasn't changed since they released it (apart from graphics). IMO, the BO 98 is a pretty different ski. It's a lot lighter and feels stiffer (though they have fairly similar flex patterns). The BO 98 is more of a game-on ski that you have to be on top of. If you are and you push it hard, it's really fun and can be skied harder than a lot of the other ~98mm freestyle skis out there. But if you lay off, it's stiff flex can feel punishing. On the other hand, the BO 118 is just so damp and stable that you can kinda just chill out on it and go stupidly fast with little regard for what's in your way. Both really fun in their own regard, but reward slightly different skiing styles.
Apr 10 2019 12:25PM
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Stoned4days
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patagonialukeBO 118 hasn't changed since they released it (apart from graphics). IMO, the BO 98 is a pretty different ski. It's a lot lighter and feels stiffer (though they have fairly similar flex patterns). The BO 98 is more of a game-on ski that you have to be on top of. If you are and you push it hard, it's really fun and can be skied harder than a lot of the other ~98mm freestyle skis out there. But if you lay off, it's stiff flex can feel punishing. On the other hand, the BO 118 is just so damp and stable that you can kinda just chill out on it and go stupidly fast with little regard for what's in your way. Both really fun in their own regard, but reward slightly different skiing styles.


New 118 has more taper in the tails a bit less rocker and a bit more sidecut than the originals which were almost fully symmetrical. Still a super dope ski, youre descriptions of the two were spot on as well.
Apr 10 2019 2:16PM
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