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Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinion, but I would hold off until you see a bit more graphically before you pass judgement. The past couple years we've been heavily element based. That is great - and we maintained it a touch this year. But it felt good to change things up in a year that is focused on making skis pop on snow (see 2016 - that was the last year we went this color-focused across the line).
It's color heavy, texture heavy, and generally product photos don't do a great job conveying the in-person look, especially 1000pixel tall ones on a cell phone.
If they are not your jam, that is totally fine (we listen to any feedback we get), but I know internally we're all incredibly be pleased to get a reprieve from looking at the same style topsheet the past 3 seasons. We're jaded, though, and are usually sick of the topsheets before they even go public ;D.
Hopefully as people see more details on the tops - which again, IMO, look better in person than online - they will grow on you.
Also not a huge fan of the new graphics compared to last few years (which set the bar high). I get that they will pop more on the snow with their texture and color.... but I miss the artistic drawings or ‘elements’ the BGs and C+D still have, and the Kartels used to have. I don’t like the more pattern-like style, and that the Wren got a more cartoon-like hawk. I’m sure I’ll love the texture and color when I buy the Woodsman as soon as they go on sale, but that’s not going to change how I feel about the artwork. I would love to see color pop plus those elements in the future .
Edit: From a marketing perspective I’m sure that pop will give ON3P better on-snow exposure. Yet, there’s also people like me who buy from product photos without seeing it in person. It was ultimately the artwork on a piece of paper (Blister), that has swayed close decisions in the past.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 3:40:09pm
Gotta say I do really love the little textural elements on all of them. I’m personally not a fan of yellows, oranges and reds in general but the green on the Magnus and the blue on J116 are quite nice.
Totally dreaming here but the ability to pick from a pallete of colours (still loving pastels these days) with those textures would be very cool.
Also looking forward to seeing what the actual evolution of the custom options will be this year!
Guys, I must admit to being a bit puzzled about some of the feedback that you guys are providing. Frankly, it sounds like some of you are kinda barking up the wrong tree here. Sorry if my reply is a bit on the long side :)
It is fine that some graphics do not tick all of your boxes at first (second, third, fourth, whatever) glance or requires that they grow on you for a bit in order to like/tolerate them, but I think it is kinda hard to criticize ON3P as a brand when it comes to graphics imho.
First of all - all the major brands have bland graphics for a reason -> bold graphics can hurt sales, bland graphics probably do to a lesser degree if the ski is a killer. As such most companies run (very) conservative graphics. While some of us love bold graphics with lots of graphical elements, evil stuff eating the brain of less evil stuff (C&D) or Mayan snakes (k96/108/116s) the available skis in the market seem to indicate that that is not always the norm. As is, the good folks over at ON3P provide us some of the boldest graphics in the industry - even if 2020 have less big bold elements than the last two years (wrens are kinda similar to the 2016 design wrt eagle style imo) - so they are already taking a bit of a risk imo. A killer graphic can push sales (case and point 2017 Cease&Desist -> sold out early due to sweet graphic) while a bold graphic that fails could mean that an otherwise good ski will get shunned. So while something can be an asset while growing in terms of brand recognition, at some point the same thing can be a liability. From Iggy's reply though, that is not what is driving this decision - but just to put things in a more zoomed out context i guess. I am sure most of you already new this, so I am not claiming to state something original here ;)
Secondly; ON3P make it exceedingly easy to get a pair with a different graphic if you rather want something other than stock. If you go custom over summer you can get a different graphic of your choosing from historic and current ON3P graphics. And not only that - you can get it for the same price as stock if memory serves me right. This is a service Moment charges what 250usd for no, and is a 150usd in season cost for custom items from ON3P. Also, ON3P also makes throwback skis. Last season those were ready to ship customs that could be bought at the start of the season. They all had classic ON3P designs on top that could be had at a slight premium or at the same price as stock. This past season they sold a bunch of throwback skis at the end of the season. Some of them are still up for grabs. They have also announced that they will be bringing several new custom only options for us to choose from - at a premium - two of which are probably already depicted in this thread. That begs the question; other than a full on custom ski like Folsom (at 1300usd) or Moment (at +250usd) - can you name any other ski manufacturer(s) that makes it this easy to get exactly the graphic you want on the top of your skis at stock or near stock pricing (600-800usd price point), throughout the season? Because I can't.
Introducing extra graphics is probably a bigger driver of costs than it generates in extra sales. I am very glad that Scott&crew takes the time and effort not only to provide us with killer new graphics every year (lots of brands do not), but also makes it easy and relatively affordable to go custom if we want to. Variations in top sheet, sidewall or base design adds complexity and time to the manufacturing process - if not in lay up then in organizing product runs before they happen. That ON3P can provide this service without claiming a massive premium is something that should be recognized for what it is - kinda remarkable.
And no - not affiliated with ON3P in any way, just a fan boi. Not a new poster, but could not unlock my old account for some reason - so added a 2 at the end of the old nick.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:23:43pm
kid-kapow2Guys, I must admit to being a bit puzzled about some of the feedback that you guys are providing. Frankly, it sounds like some of you are kinda barking up the wrong tree here. Sorry if my reply is a bit on the long side :)
It is fine that some graphics do not tick all of your boxes at first (second, third, fourth, whatever) glance or requires that they grow on you for a bit in order to like/tolerate them, but I think it is kinda hard to criticize ON3P as a brand when it comes to graphics imho.
First of all - all the major brands have bland graphics for a reason -> bold graphics can hurt sales, bland graphics probably do to a lesser degree if the ski is a killer. As such most companies run (very) conservative graphics. While some of us love bold graphics with lots of graphical elements, evil stuff eating the brain of less evil stuff (C&D) or Mayan snakes (k96/108/116s) the available skis in the market seem to indicate that that is not always the norm. As is, the good folks over at ON3P provide us some of the boldest graphics in the industry - even if 2020 have less big bold elements than the last two years (wrens are kinda similar to the 2016 design wrt eagle style imo) - so they are already taking a bit of a risk imo. A killer graphic can push sales (case and point 2017 Cease&Desist -> sold out early due to sweet graphic) while a bold graphic that fails could mean that an otherwise good ski will get shunned. So while something can be an asset while growing in terms of brand recognition, at some point the same thing can be a liability. From Iggy's reply though, that is not what is driving this decision - but just to put things in a more zoomed out context i guess. I am sure most of you already new this, so I am not claiming to state something original here ;)
Secondly; ON3P make it exceedingly easy to get a pair with a different graphic if you rather want something other than stock. If you go custom over summer you can get a different graphic of your choosing from historic and current ON3P graphics. And not only that - you can get it for the same price as stock if memory serves me right. This is a service Moment charges what 250usd for no, and is a 150usd in season cost for custom items from ON3P. Also, ON3P also makes throwback skis. Last season those were ready to ship customs that could be bought at the start of the season. They all had classic ON3P designs on top that could be had at a slight premium or at the same price as stock. This past season they sold a bunch of throwback skis at the end of the season. Some of them are still up for grabs. They have also announced that they will be bringing several new custom only options for us to choose from - at a premium - two of which are probably already depicted in this thread. That begs the question; other than a full on custom ski like Folsom (at 1300usd) or Moment (at +250usd) - can you name any other ski manufacturer(s) that makes it this easy to get exactly the graphic you want on the top of your skis at stock or near stock pricing (600-800usd price point), throughout the season? Because I can't.
Introducing extra graphics is probably a bigger driver of costs than it generates in extra sales. I am very glad that Scott&crew takes the time and effort not only to provide us with killer new graphics every year (lots of brands do not), but also makes it easy and relatively affordable to go custom if we want to. Variations in top sheet, sidewall or base design adds complexity and time to the manufacturing process - if not in lay up then in organizing product runs before they happen. That ON3P can provide this service without claiming a massive premium is something that should be recognized for what it is - kinda remarkable.
And no - not affiliated with ON3P in any way, just a fan boi. Not a new poster, but could not unlock my old account for some reason - so added a 2 at the end of the old nick.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:23:43pm
Oooor what you could do is instead of typing some essay you can realise that people have different preferences. Not everyone will like everything
LukeTheWaffleOooor what you could do is instead of typing some essay you can realise that people have different preferences. Not everyone will like everything
I guess that was one way to reply. I will sum it up in three sentences bullets:
ON3P have made killer graphics in the past, and will continue to do so. Everything won't be to everybody's liking - which is fine.
If you want a different graphic, there is always custom as an option. Or throwback. Yay.
I do not comment on people preferences, but tried through my post to encourage people to engage in a balanced way or point out that there are options if they do not like the new stuff. You know, to ensure that Iggy keeps providing us with killer products, customer service and options instead of just saying "fekk it - stock it is". :)
Hopefully that was better. :)
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:37:29pm
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:38:39pm
Since we're all bitching about graphics... the magnus 102 graphic seems super lame and uninspired, looks like a simplified version of last years, I hate yellow/orange though so maybe its just me. On the other hand the woodsman graphics look really good while still being relatively simple. Cant wait to try those out.
Woah that was long....Yeah as the other guy said, not barking up a tree, just giving my opinion which will absolutely differ from others. I still think ON3P has some of the best graphics in the industry, just don’t like this years as much as usual.
kid-kapow2Guys, I must admit to being a bit puzzled about some of the feedback that you guys are providing. Frankly, it sounds like some of you are kinda barking up the wrong tree here. Sorry if my reply is a bit on the long side :)
It is fine that some graphics do not tick all of your boxes at first (second, third, fourth, whatever) glance or requires that they grow on you for a bit in order to like/tolerate them, but I think it is kinda hard to criticize ON3P as a brand when it comes to graphics imho.
First of all - all the major brands have bland graphics for a reason -> bold graphics can hurt sales, bland graphics probably do to a lesser degree if the ski is a killer. As such most companies run (very) conservative graphics. While some of us love bold graphics with lots of graphical elements, evil stuff eating the brain of less evil stuff (C&D) or Mayan snakes (k96/108/116s) the available skis in the market seem to indicate that that is not always the norm. As is, the good folks over at ON3P provide us some of the boldest graphics in the industry - even if 2020 have less big bold elements than the last two years (wrens are kinda similar to the 2016 design wrt eagle style imo) - so they are already taking a bit of a risk imo. A killer graphic can push sales (case and point 2017 Cease&Desist -> sold out early due to sweet graphic) while a bold graphic that fails could mean that an otherwise good ski will get shunned. So while something can be an asset while growing in terms of brand recognition, at some point the same thing can be a liability. From Iggy's reply though, that is not what is driving this decision - but just to put things in a more zoomed out context i guess. I am sure most of you already new this, so I am not claiming to state something original here ;)
Secondly; ON3P make it exceedingly easy to get a pair with a different graphic if you rather want something other than stock. If you go custom over summer you can get a different graphic of your choosing from historic and current ON3P graphics. And not only that - you can get it for the same price as stock if memory serves me right. This is a service Moment charges what 250usd for no, and is a 150usd in season cost for custom items from ON3P. Also, ON3P also makes throwback skis. Last season those were ready to ship customs that could be bought at the start of the season. They all had classic ON3P designs on top that could be had at a slight premium or at the same price as stock. This past season they sold a bunch of throwback skis at the end of the season. Some of them are still up for grabs. They have also announced that they will be bringing several new custom only options for us to choose from - at a premium - two of which are probably already depicted in this thread. That begs the question; other than a full on custom ski like Folsom (at 1300usd) or Moment (at +250usd) - can you name any other ski manufacturer(s) that makes it this easy to get exactly the graphic you want on the top of your skis at stock or near stock pricing (600-800usd price point), throughout the season? Because I can't.
Introducing extra graphics is probably a bigger driver of costs than it generates in extra sales. I am very glad that Scott&crew takes the time and effort not only to provide us with killer new graphics every year (lots of brands do not), but also makes it easy and relatively affordable to go custom if we want to. Variations in top sheet, sidewall or base design adds complexity and time to the manufacturing process - if not in lay up then in organizing product runs before they happen. That ON3P can provide this service without claiming a massive premium is something that should be recognized for what it is - kinda remarkable.
And no - not affiliated with ON3P in any way, just a fan boi. Not a new poster, but could not unlock my old account for some reason - so added a 2 at the end of the old nick.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:23:43pm
:) Judging from the feedback it seems like I got a bit carried away.
What can I say - if I try to give a detailed response to provide context/input, steer people towards customs and the take away is that I do not approve of different people liking different things... Fail on my part I guess. :)
Just some additional thoughts. First - as has been mentioned, my intent here is to not say anyone is wrong. It is just to provide context on why certain choices were made. Everyone's opinion is different, and people have expressed disappointment with both design choices and graphic choices every single year I've done this - because all our opinions vary. So, in that regard, all good on my end.
This year, like every other year I've done this, is overall very positive with some negative. Last year was that way. Next year will be too. Each year, the line shifts one way or another - this year as mentioned more towards texture/color - and that is just the ebb and flow of developing a product line over time.
That said, a few things to hit on here that I think at least shed light on decisions. For example:
AltaOmegaAlso not a huge fan of the new graphics compared to last few years (which set the bar high). I get that they will pop more on the snow with their texture and color.... but I miss the artistic drawings or ‘elements’ the BGs and C+D still have, and the Kartels used to have. I don’t like the more pattern-like style, and that the Wren got a more cartoon-like hawk. I’m sure I’ll love the texture and color when I buy the Woodsman as soon as they go on sale, but that’s not going to change how I feel about the artwork. I would love to see color pop plus those elements in the future .
Edit: From a marketing perspective I’m sure that pop will give ON3P better on-snow exposure. Yet, there’s also people like me who buy from product photos without seeing it in person. It was ultimately the artwork on a piece of paper (Blister), that has swayed close decisions in the past.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 3:40:09pm
So regarding CD/BG - they are much lower volume skis than the Kartel/Jeffreys, so as we've gotten bigger, the graphics have had to level out a bit more. I can tell you for everyone who loved the serpents on the Kartels in previous years, there was someone who hated them. Just the way it is. If you go back to the more drawn type elements of the first two years Kartel 98/106, that featured the Santa Muerte, they brought on even more even stronger negative feelings.
Choices like the eagle on this year Wren go two fold. First, we were more interested in the patterning of the wings than a photorealistic eagle like in years past - so simpler was a goal. Second, we wanted separation from some new custom options that are coming out - which will be some limited volume, premium custom tops that feature some of the most popular photorealistic linocuts from years past. So we didn't want any overlap in feel between the two.
KevskiGotta say I do really love the little textural elements on all of them. I’m personally not a fan of yellows, oranges and reds in general but the green on the Magnus and the blue on J116 are quite nice.
Totally dreaming here but the ability to pick from a pallete of colours (still loving pastels these days) with those textures would be very cool.
Also looking forward to seeing what the actual evolution of the custom options will be this year!
There has been some discussion on the evolving custom program and expanding the ability to select color changes as an add on. Still trying to work out how to do it practically though.
LukeTheWaffleNot everyone will like everything
^
.Duncan.Since we're all bitching about graphics... the magnus 102 graphic seems super lame and uninspired, looks like a simplified version of last years, I hate yellow/orange though so maybe its just me. On the other hand the woodsman graphics look really good while still being relatively simple. Cant wait to try those out.
Again, just context, but the reason we kept the color/look balance between the years is that the Magnus 102 brand is only going into year 2. It takes time to build these brands up - so departing from a look too quickly can slow that process. The 90 is so established that a full color change there is not a concern, but on the 102, it will take one more season for the ski to fully get its footing. As such, the color/appearance was intentionally made to look consistent - with the updated style - specifically to help the ski gain a more solid footing in year two.
That is seen on a macro scale with running the same recognizable base across the entire ski line.
As for color - pick a color, someone hates it - so nothing we can do there.
Interesting discussion. Hope I am at least providing some valuable context on why certain choices were made.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 6:25:23pm
iggyskierEveryone is obviously entitled to their own opinion, but I would hold off until you see a bit more graphically before you pass judgement. The past couple years we've been heavily element based. That is great - and we maintained it a touch this year. But it felt good to change things up in a year that is focused on making skis pop on snow (see 2016 - that was the last year we went this color-focused across the line).
It's color heavy, texture heavy, and generally product photos don't do a great job conveying the in-person look, especially 1000pixel tall ones on a cell phone.
If they are not your jam, that is totally fine (we listen to any feedback we get), but I know internally we're all incredibly be pleased to get a reprieve from looking at the same style topsheet the past 3 seasons. We're jaded, though, and are usually sick of the topsheets before they even go public ;D.
Hopefully as people see more details on the tops - which again, IMO, look better in person than online - they will grow on you.
iggyskierEveryone is obviously entitled to their own opinion, but I would hold off until you see a bit more graphically before you pass judgement. The past couple years we've been heavily element based. That is great - and we maintained it a touch this year. But it felt good to change things up in a year that is focused on making skis pop on snow (see 2016 - that was the last year we went this color-focused across the line).
It's color heavy, texture heavy, and generally product photos don't do a great job conveying the in-person look, especially 1000pixel tall ones on a cell phone.
If they are not your jam, that is totally fine (we listen to any feedback we get), but I know internally we're all incredibly be pleased to get a reprieve from looking at the same style topsheet the past 3 seasons. We're jaded, though, and are usually sick of the topsheets before they even go public ;D.
Hopefully as people see more details on the tops - which again, IMO, look better in person than online - they will grow on you.
sooo the graphics went downhill in 2016 is the bottom line. lol jk but just slap the on3p logo across the ski isted of lining them up with them
**This post was edited on Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:51:19pm
iggyskierJust some additional thoughts. First - as has been mentioned, my intent here is to not say anyone is wrong. It is just to provide context on why certain choices were made. Everyone's opinion is different, and people have expressed disappointment with both design choices and graphic choices every single year I've done this - because all our opinions vary. So, in that regard, all good on my end.
This year, like every other year I've done this, is overall very positive with some negative. Last year was that way. Next year will be too. Each year, the line shifts one way or another - this year as mentioned more towards texture/color - and that is just the ebb and flow of developing a product line over time.
That said, a few things to hit on here that I think at least shed light on decisions. For example:
So regarding CD/BG - they are much lower volume skis than the Kartel/Jeffreys, so as we've gotten bigger, the graphics have had to level out a bit more. I can tell you for everyone who loved the serpents on the Kartels in previous years, there was someone who hated them. Just the way it is. If you go back to the more drawn type elements of the first two years Kartel 98/106, that featured the Santa Muerte, they brought on even more even stronger negative feelings.
Choices like the eagle on this year Wren go two fold. First, we were more interested in the patterning of the wings than a photorealistic eagle like in years past - so simpler was a goal. Second, we wanted separation from some new custom options that are coming out - which will be some limited volume, premium custom tops that feature some of the most popular photorealistic linocuts from years past. So we didn't want any overlap in feel between the two.
There has been some discussion on the evolving custom program and expanding the ability to select color changes as an add on. Still trying to work out how to do it practically though.
^
Again, just context, but the reason we kept the color/look balance between the years is that the Magnus 102 brand is only going into year 2. It takes time to build these brands up - so departing from a look too quickly can slow that process. The 90 is so established that a full color change there is not a concern, but on the 102, it will take one more season for the ski to fully get its footing. As such, the color/appearance was intentionally made to look consistent - with the updated style - specifically to help the ski gain a more solid footing in year two.
That is seen on a macro scale with running the same recognizable base across the entire ski line.
As for color - pick a color, someone hates it - so nothing we can do there.
Interesting discussion. Hope I am at least providing some valuable context on why certain choices were made.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 6:25:23pm
Will there be quick ship m102s with the 90 graphic, or something like that? I love the green but need that wider ski
iggyskierJust some additional thoughts. First - as has been mentioned, my intent here is to not say anyone is wrong. It is just to provide context on why certain choices were made. Everyone's opinion is different, and people have expressed disappointment with both design choices and graphic choices every single year I've done this - because all our opinions vary. So, in that regard, all good on my end.
This year, like every other year I've done this, is overall very positive with some negative. Last year was that way. Next year will be too. Each year, the line shifts one way or another - this year as mentioned more towards texture/color - and that is just the ebb and flow of developing a product line over time.
That said, a few things to hit on here that I think at least shed light on decisions. For example:
So regarding CD/BG - they are much lower volume skis than the Kartel/Jeffreys, so as we've gotten bigger, the graphics have had to level out a bit more. I can tell you for everyone who loved the serpents on the Kartels in previous years, there was someone who hated them. Just the way it is. If you go back to the more drawn type elements of the first two years Kartel 98/106, that featured the Santa Muerte, they brought on even more even stronger negative feelings.
Choices like the eagle on this year Wren go two fold. First, we were more interested in the patterning of the wings than a photorealistic eagle like in years past - so simpler was a goal. Second, we wanted separation from some new custom options that are coming out - which will be some limited volume, premium custom tops that feature some of the most popular photorealistic linocuts from years past. So we didn't want any overlap in feel between the two.
There has been some discussion on the evolving custom program and expanding the ability to select color changes as an add on. Still trying to work out how to do it practically though.
^
Again, just context, but the reason we kept the color/look balance between the years is that the Magnus 102 brand is only going into year 2. It takes time to build these brands up - so departing from a look too quickly can slow that process. The 90 is so established that a full color change there is not a concern, but on the 102, it will take one more season for the ski to fully get its footing. As such, the color/appearance was intentionally made to look consistent - with the updated style - specifically to help the ski gain a more solid footing in year two.
That is seen on a macro scale with running the same recognizable base across the entire ski line.
As for color - pick a color, someone hates it - so nothing we can do there.
Interesting discussion. Hope I am at least providing some valuable context on why certain choices were made.
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 6:25:23pm
How limited are we talking for those custom top sheets? The all black with a wolf look way to good to miss out on. Able to say when they will be/how many will be available as a custom option for the Woodsman 108?
LukewtHow limited are we talking for those custom top sheets? The all black with a wolf look way to good to miss out on. Able to say when they will be/how many will be available as a custom option for the Woodsman 108?
That Wolf on the woodsman would be so freaking dope. I want a pair of the Woodsmans already, now Im tempted on a custom...
kid-kapow2I guess that was one way to reply. I will sum it up in three sentences bullets:
ON3P have made killer graphics in the past, and will continue to do so. Everything won't be to everybody's liking - which is fine.
If you want a different graphic, there is always custom as an option. Or throwback. Yay.
I do not comment on people preferences, but tried through my post to encourage people to engage in a balanced way or point out that there are options if they do not like the new stuff. You know, to ensure that Iggy keeps providing us with killer products, customer service and options instead of just saying "fekk it - stock it is". :)
Hopefully that was better. :)
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:37:29pm
**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2019 at 5:38:39pm
kid-kapow2Guys, I must admit to being a bit puzzled about some of the feedback that you guys are providing. Frankly, it sounds like some of you are kinda barking up the wrong tree here. Sorry if my reply is a bit on the long side :)
Yeah that could be - I do get quite excited about stuff at times. I enjoy how ON3Ps ski and look, just like a appreciate some other brands as well. :)
Are ON3Ps perfect - no. :)
I think enthusiasm and positive reinforcement get one further than being negative, especially in this age of social media unfilterdness and instant feedback loops. So I try to stay positive and informative whenever I can. If that gets misconstrued as being too positive or too enthusiastic that is fine. I would rather be interpreted as being too positive than being too negative, while I strive to be enthusiastically balanced. :)
I was kind of meh on some of the topsheets when I saw the first drafts, but once I looked at the detail I was pretty impressed. But no one is going to love every years graphics.
iggyskierEveryone is obviously entitled to their own opinion, but I would hold off until you see a bit more graphically before you pass judgement. The past couple years we've been heavily element based. That is great - and we maintained it a touch this year. But it felt good to change things up in a year that is focused on making skis pop on snow (see 2016 - that was the last year we went this color-focused across the line).
It's color heavy, texture heavy, and generally product photos don't do a great job conveying the in-person look, especially 1000pixel tall ones on a cell phone.
If they are not your jam, that is totally fine (we listen to any feedback we get), but I know internally we're all incredibly be pleased to get a reprieve from looking at the same style topsheet the past 3 seasons. We're jaded, though, and are usually sick of the topsheets before they even go public ;D.
Hopefully as people see more details on the tops - which again, IMO, look better in person than online - they will grow on you.
I think these are fantastic, some of the best yet.
Everyone's just excited about the new models, that's why this is coming up - because on NS we have to meticulously break down and examine every aspect of our favourite products in frothing anticipation.
kid-kapow2Guys, I must admit to being a bit puzzled about some of the feedback that you guys are providing. Frankly, it sounds like some of you are kinda barking up the wrong tree here. Sorry if my reply is a bit on the long side :)
Having a hard time deciding if jeffery108’s or woodsman108’s are the right ski for me...they seem super similar. I know how the kartels skied and since it’s the same ski with a different name I’m just wondering if the woodsman would be better for all mtn ripping.
**This post was edited on Apr 24th 2019 at 2:57:03pm
Chubz.Having a hard time deciding if jeffery108’s or woodsman108’s are the right ski for me...they seem super similar. I know how the kartels skied and since it’s the same ski with a different name I’m just wondering if the woodsman would be better for all mtn ripping.
**This post was edited on Apr 24th 2019 at 2:57:03pm
Different skis for different all mountain styles. I've been skiing the Wren 108 as a daily driver, so I'm used to driving tips, keeping forward and charging, etc. Kartel/Jeffrey ideal stance is much more centered and balanced, playful. Woodsman would be a hybrid in between the two.
RudyGarmischDifferent skis for different all mountain styles. I've been skiing the Wren 108 as a daily driver, so I'm used to driving tips, keeping forward and charging, etc. Kartel/Jeffrey ideal stance is much more centered and balanced, playful. Woodsman would be a hybrid in between the two.
I like being able to maneuver through tree’s make tight turns when necessary and make slashes without catching. Also like going fast and making large wide turns as well. I know the kartel was was fun and did all that well, but now that the woodsman is thrown in the mix maybe that would be the better choice for me.
There is gonna be a lot more ski info out within the week. We just literally had people hounding us to buy 2020 skis, so got the basic product pages in. It will help explain which skis are for who.
Chubz.I like being able to maneuver through tree’s make tight turns when necessary and make slashes without catching. Also like going fast and making large wide turns as well. I know the kartel was was fun and did all that well, but now that the woodsman is thrown in the mix maybe that would be the better choice for me.
Does the Jeffrey 96 come detuned? They seem pretty dull which is great since I will be hitting rails on them....just curious if you'd recommend I detune even more?
Crispy.Does the Jeffrey 96 come detuned? They seem pretty dull which is great since I will be hitting rails on them....just curious if you'd recommend I detune even more?
Jeffrey comes with our standard factory tune - in which non-running length is heavily detuned, running length is heavily gummied. The Magnus 90/102 are the only skis that have a park detune on them - so if you are hitting rails on a Jeffrey 96, we still recommend you detune to round over edge underfoot.
