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Park city closing early thread... WTF vail?

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BigdaddyPCMR
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What do y’all think of this shit? We can ski til June if we wanted cause the resort still has more snow than they know what to do with... hghSGHGTSJKJKLJHJGHJGHHH vail
Mar 25 2019 12:25PM
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skierman
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PArkciTyutardWhat do y’all think of this shit? We can ski til June if we wanted cause the resort still has more snow than they know what to do with... hghSGHGTSJKJKLJHJGHJGHHH vail


Oh look, another jackass child who doesn't know how NFS land leases work.
Mar 25 2019 12:42PM
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eheath
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skiermanOh look, another jackass child who doesn't know how NFS land leases work.


lawl park city is NOT on national forest, it is all privately owned.

That being said, Vail isn't making any money in april, you really that surprised?
Mar 25 2019 12:45PM
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freeskibum82
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most mountains close because they are no longer making money. It's all season pass holders this time of year and most doing just half days and not spending any money on resort. It makes perfect sense. sometimes you'll get a resort that understands the pressure from skiers/snowboarders and will open up for just the weekend etc.. but i doubt Vail will do that since most part time workers have moved on already since their contracts end when the season is over.
Mar 25 2019 1:38PM
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CalumSKI
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skiermanOh look, another jackass child who doesn't know how NFS land leases work.


eheath just obliterated u
Mar 25 2019 1:39PM
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skierman
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eheathlawl park city is NOT on national forest, it is all privately owned.

That being said, Vail isn't making any money in april, you really that surprised?


Oh sorry...

Another jackass n00b that doesn't know how leases work.

There, fixed it.
Mar 25 2019 1:39PM
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druseph33
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Its a financial thing: after April the majority of people coming are season pass holders; so right there that't tons of missing ticket revenue.

Not to mention a ton of the resorts hire international workers who are in school or traveling to work here and they typically go home when the winter/spring is over.

Just doesn't seem financially smart to do for most resorts
Mar 25 2019 1:44PM
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eheath
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druseph33Its a financial thing: after April the majority of people coming are season pass holders; so right there that't tons of missing ticket revenue.

Not to mention a ton of the resorts hire international workers who are in school or traveling to work here and they typically go home when the winter/spring is over.

Just doesn't seem financially smart to do for most resorts

Nailed it, although I think its not necessarily ticket rev, its food/bev, lodging, rentals, etc all drastically goes down in april. Employees leaving is a huge part of it as well.
Mar 25 2019 1:46PM
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GayWolf420
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All valid points already made, this was announced like in late october too. Its not a shock too much.


I think theyre also still a bit upset over the Booze Cruise and that 4/20 closing day a few years back
Mar 25 2019 7:24PM
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eheath
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DeebieSkeebiesAll valid points already made, this was announced like in late october too. Its not a shock too much.


I think theyre also still a bit upset over the Booze Cruise and that 4/20 closing day a few years back


Honestly I think it has nothing to do with that, Vail closes all of their resorts pretty early usually, see Keystone closing on april 7th too.
Mar 25 2019 7:38PM
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GayWolf420
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eheathHonestly I think it has nothing to do with that, Vail closes all of their resorts pretty early usually, see Keystone closing on april 7th too.


You made a really good point above about how the resorts just dont have enough staff at all. PC was almost entirely understaffed in every department the entire season and I cant imagine they have a ton of help left around, nor would anyone voluntarily want to keep it open for a few extra paychecks. Its been probably park city's busiest season yet.
Mar 25 2019 7:43PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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This so much, I opened accounts for so many indian, central American, and other people of lesser developed nations this winter at the bank. They all were working at resorts for less 12/hr or less.
druseph33Its a financial thing: after April the majority of people coming are season pass holders; so right there that't tons of missing ticket revenue.

Not to mention a ton of the resorts hire international workers who are in school or traveling to work here and they typically go home when the winter/spring is over.

Just doesn't seem financially smart to do for most resorts
Mar 25 2019 7:44PM
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dubmasterskanka
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Money money money.
Mar 25 2019 8:04PM
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evaroni
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Often wondered how insurance contracts are structured for ski resorts. Do they buy insurance for the months they operate? Days? Anybody know? I’d imagine that is a huge contributor to season length for some resorts.
Mar 25 2019 8:05PM
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eheath
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evaroniOften wondered how insurance contracts are structured for ski resorts. Do they buy insurance for the months they operate? Days? Anybody know? I’d imagine that is a huge contributor to season length for some resorts.


Park City runs year round with biking, alpine coaster, zipline, etc so im sure they are covered all year.
Mar 25 2019 8:17PM
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roddy116
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eheathlawl park city is NOT on national forest, it is all privately owned.

That being said, Vail isn't making any money in april, you really that surprised?


major downfall of being a local in a tourist ski resort.
Mar 25 2019 8:30PM
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eheath
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roddy116major downfall of being a local in a tourist ski resort.


I mean, sure another week of skiing at PC would be great, brighton/alta/snowbird will be open through april, its not like we can't go skiing.
Mar 25 2019 8:30PM
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roddy116
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eheathI mean, sure another week of skiing at PC would be great, brighton/alta/snowbird will be open through april, its not like we can't go skiing.


Well yeah but I was making a generalization to places like big sky and the like.
Mar 25 2019 8:47PM
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SuspiciousFish
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skiermanOh sorry...

Another jackass n00b that doesn't know how leases work.

There, fixed it.


Park City not knowing how leases work is how we got into this situation in the first place.
Mar 25 2019 8:47PM
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Youngm_IPCME
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It’s pretty dumb that they announced the early closing after most people who wanted discounts bought their passes. I only buy one season pass per year, so I guess I can put a couple days into hiking at brighton. I guess this is good practice before summer skiing starts.
Mar 25 2019 9:33PM
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DominatorJacques
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Bring it to Mt Bachelor. Spring passes are dirt cheap. They are good from March 30th to May 26th

https://www.mtbachelor.com/sunchaser-spring/
Mar 25 2019 10:24PM
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PeppermillReno
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It’s lame. They can shut the lodges and run half the lifts. The mountain closing is why there will be no money being spent.

I think season pass holders should feel entitled to and demand lifts spinning until the snow is gone. Do they give you a refund when it’s a bad season and there’s no snow?
Mar 26 2019 1:26AM
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ParkRx
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eheathPark City runs year round with biking, alpine coaster, zipline, etc so im sure they are covered all year.


I wouldn't be surprised if their rates varied based on how long they keep each operation running though. I bet each activity has a different set of risks that an insurance company is well aware of.
Mar 26 2019 1:47AM
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suup
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eheathlawl park city is NOT on national forest, it is all privately owned.

That being said, Vail isn't making any money in april, you really that surprised?

correct me if im wrong, but didn't vail get park city because the old pcmr owners didn't renew their lease for the national forest land?
Mar 26 2019 2:34AM
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eheath
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suupcorrect me if im wrong, but didn't vail get park city because the old pcmr owners didn't renew their lease for the national forest land?

You're thinking of the private lease they had with the company that owns the land, talisker, not the forest service. Vail aquired the lease from talisker and then bought PC.
Mar 26 2019 2:36AM
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suup
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eheathYou're thinking of the private lease they had with the company that owns the land, talisker, not the forest service. Vail aquired the lease from talisker and then bought PC.


Oh I see thx
Mar 26 2019 2:40AM
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TheDoughAbides
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I'm surprised that more resorts don't try to market t shirt skiing to tourists. Seriously nothing better than enjoying the snow and sun in your Hawaiian while your summer stoke builds up!
Mar 26 2019 10:01AM
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GayWolf420
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PeppermillRenoIt’s lame. They can shut the lodges and run half the lifts. The mountain closing is why there will be no money being spent.

I think season pass holders should feel entitled to and demand lifts spinning until the snow is gone. Do they give you a refund when it’s a bad season and there’s no snow?


pre-vail takeover, this is what PC and The Canyons would do; all the dining options and a few lifts get shut down for the year.

For bad snow years, I worked in lodging all last season and lots of places including myself were giving out credits for peoples vacations due to shitty snow but nothing really for locals at all for their passes.
Mar 26 2019 10:25AM
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SofaKingSick
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DeebieSkeebiespre-vail takeover, this is what PC and The Canyons would do; all the dining options and a few lifts get shut down for the year.

For bad snow years, I worked in lodging all last season and lots of places including myself were giving out credits for peoples vacations due to shitty snow but nothing really for locals at all for their passes.


what are the specifics of that? do you know how they decide to give them to customers? like if a family rents a suite and buys 8000 lift tickets for a week and the entire week blows they might throw them a bone?

thanks
Mar 26 2019 10:27AM
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PeppermillReno
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DeebieSkeebiespre-vail takeover, this is what PC and The Canyons would do; all the dining options and a few lifts get shut down for the year.

For bad snow years, I worked in lodging all last season and lots of places including myself were giving out credits for peoples vacations due to shitty snow but nothing really for locals at all for their passes.


The Epic has been great to me this year I plan to reup but honestly the places on the Ikon staying open so late could swing me I could go ski Squaw or Mammoth in May on next years Ikon and pay off next years Ikon after 5 days.

Most of these places are year round resort destinations I think its stupid they want to shorten the season on their biggest draw. Why wouldn't you run one lift just to be 'open' and market that? If I had money to purchase a ski property Vail closing the lifts early would sway me away from it. I'd probably chose Mammoth over places that are better because they stay open until 4th of July when possible. Who knows if this will last though corporate bean counters have a way of making dumb short sighted decisions.
Mar 26 2019 11:54AM
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SuspiciousFish
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suupOh I see thx


I lived in UT when this happened and it was one of the stupider things I have ever seen. The land lease was ending and nobody in the Park City office bothered to look into it or renew the contract so it lapsed which gave Vail an opening to make a power move to take over the resort. Park City literally almost closed in the middle of a season because they could not operate some of the lifts on the disputed land.

This explains it a little more although the shitshow/pissing match went far beyond the article details:

https://fox13now.com/2014/05/21/judge-rules-in-taliskers-favor-over-park-city-mountain-resort-lease/
Mar 26 2019 1:03PM
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