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Line Tom Wallisch vs Line Chronic

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phatlip
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Hallo! I am new to the forum and have just taken up skiing after a 18 (!) years hiatus. I used to ski slalom and GS, but a lot has changed since those days. Now my daughter have become really interested in skiing and we are having a lot of fun on the slopes. We mostly ski on piste, doing small jumps and some off piste in the forrest. But no serious powder. I am looking for a fun ski that works well on/off piste and is easy to handle on jumps etc. No rails or stuff like that. I can currently get a good deal on the skis in the title and what I have read about the they might be what I am looking for. Or?
Thanks for all your help and input.
Mar 17 2019 7:08AM
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Shobo
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If your not skiing only park I would go with the new chronic. They redesigned it last year and from what I’ve heard they are perfect for what you are doing.
Mar 17 2019 11:27AM
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phatlip
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ShoboIf your not skiing only park I would go with the new chronic. They redesigned it last year and from what I’ve heard they are perfect for what you are doing.


Hi, thanks. No parks, so just jumps and bumps on the slope. Will they carve ok? And are they fairly easy to handle?

**This post was edited on Mar 17th 2019 at 11:39:14am
Mar 17 2019 11:36AM
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Shobo
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phatlipHi, thanks. No parks, so just jumps and bumps on the slope. Will the carve ok?


Yes I had a pair a couple years ago and they carved good. And the new model would probably be even better
Mar 17 2019 11:40AM
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powpatrol
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These two skis are pretty much park skis. The Tom wallisch is a pure bred style park ski for things your gonna find in the park such as rails jumps etc.
The chronic is slightly more accessible to an all mountain rider however the majority of people are going to classify it as a park ski.
Go onto any ski website and search around for skis marked as all mountain and you’ll find plenty of varying products with different waist widths/rocker profiles/side cuts/camber/constructions. It all gets a bit confusing as the ‘all mountain’ category is what ski companies make most of their revenue off so there’s going to be a multitude of similar skis.
From reading what you’ve told us I can recommend a few skis to help you narrow down what your looking for:
Armada Arv 96-106
Head Kore 93-105
Salomon QST 92-99-106
Black Crows Camox
Black Crows Daemon
Atomic Vantage 97Ti-90Ti-97C
Atomic Bent Chetler 100
Line Sick Day 94-104
Line Supernatural 92-100
Rossignol Black Ops 98
Its good to take time finding the right ski for you as the end result is some fun ass skiing. If you feel like you’ve found the right ski,you can always come back here and check :)
Have fun.
Mar 17 2019 5:05PM
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phatlip
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powpatrolThese two skis are pretty much park skis. The Tom wallisch is a pure bred style park ski for things your gonna find in the park such as rails jumps etc.
The chronic is slightly more accessible to an all mountain rider however the majority of people are going to classify it as a park ski.
Go onto any ski website and search around for skis marked as all mountain and you’ll find plenty of varying products with different waist widths/rocker profiles/side cuts/camber/constructions. It all gets a bit confusing as the ‘all mountain’ category is what ski companies make most of their revenue off so there’s going to be a multitude of similar skis.
From reading what you’ve told us I can recommend a few skis to help you narrow down what your looking for:
Armada Arv 96-106
Head Kore 93-105
Salomon QST 92-99-106
Black Crows Camox
Black Crows Daemon
Atomic Vantage 97Ti-90Ti-97C
Atomic Bent Chetler 100
Line Sick Day 94-104
Line Supernatural 92-100
Rossignol Black Ops 98
Its good to take time finding the right ski for you as the end result is some fun ass skiing. If you feel like you’ve found the right ski,you can always come back here and check :)
Have fun.


Thanks a lot for your thoughts and tips. But do you think that the Chronic will be completly wrong for my use, or that the others just might be better? I can get a pretty good deal on the Line Sick Day 104 also. I have a pair of BC Vertis at the moment, but I am struggling a bit with them, they dont seem so playfull, but that can also be my lack of skill.
Mar 17 2019 10:17PM
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Cade2
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U can’t go wrong with either of them. Check out the roofbox review of both of them on this site. That should help you with your decision. Both of those are great all mountain skis.
Mar 17 2019 10:23PM
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olic
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Hey man,
I ride my 2014 Chronics all over the mountain at -2.5 from center and love them, super fun, carve well, just generally easy to ski and will handle jumps and bumps great. They're wide enough to handle a bit of soft snow without compromising the on piste performance You'd be fine on that ski.
Mar 18 2019 5:46AM
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phatlip
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olicHey man,
I ride my 2014 Chronics all over the mountain at -2.5 from center and love them, super fun, carve well, just generally easy to ski and will handle jumps and bumps great. They're wide enough to handle a bit of soft snow without compromising the on piste performance You'd be fine on that ski.


Thanks a lot. Think I will go for them.
Mar 18 2019 6:14AM
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powpatrol
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phatlipThanks a lot for your thoughts and tips. But do you think that the Chronic will be completly wrong for my use, or that the others just might be better? I can get a pretty good deal on the Line Sick Day 104 also. I have a pair of BC Vertis at the moment, but I am struggling a bit with them, they dont seem so playfull, but that can also be my lack of skill.


Chronic won’t be completely wrong for you however it might not be best suited.
The ski is a versatile park ski meaning it wants to cruise around in the park and that’s what it’s shaped as/built for but can still hop around on piste and carve some turns.
The other skis mentioned have a much more all mountain spirit,being able to hit bumps and jumps on and off piste,carve well and securely and venture in to the park on occasions.
Mar 18 2019 7:44AM
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freeskibum82
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The Chronics are way too soft for all mountain skiing. While they are great in the park and can handle the trail to get to it, i wouldnt really call it an all mountain ski anymore. The TWP is stiffer and will be a perfect park ski. If you hit jumps the stiffer tail than the chronic will help you if you land back seat.

I have the chronics and do not even use them anymore this year because of how soft they are. Maybe for a spring day but even then they are so soft they would just get tossed around in all the sluth. They need to put carbon stringers in the chronic for a variation id love to call the Magic Chronic.

You may want to just wait and get the Line Vision for next year. Comes with their new THC construction. (same tech used in the K2 mindbender just named for the millenials)
Mar 18 2019 8:19AM
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phatlip
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freeskibum82The Chronics are way too soft for all mountain skiing. While they are great in the park and can handle the trail to get to it, i wouldnt really call it an all mountain ski anymore. The TWP is stiffer and will be a perfect park ski. If you hit jumps the stiffer tail than the chronic will help you if you land back seat.

I have the chronics and do not even use them anymore this year because of how soft they are. Maybe for a spring day but even then they are so soft they would just get tossed around in all the sluth. They need to put carbon stringers in the chronic for a variation id love to call the Magic Chronic.

You may want to just wait and get the Line Vision for next year. Comes with their new THC construction. (same tech used in the K2 mindbender just named for the millenials)


Aaaah, this is getting confusing!
Mar 18 2019 8:42AM
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Rum_Ham
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phatlipAaaah, this is getting confusing!


If you’re not skiing backwards go with the sick day. They’re super poppy and fun and also super forgiving and easy to ski.
Mar 18 2019 11:26AM
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powpatrol
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phatlipAaaah, this is getting confusing!


Pretty much the chronic or TWPro isn’t exactly the ski you should be looking for,go to a shop if you can and tell someone there what you’ve described in the original post.
Mar 18 2019 11:52AM
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freeskibum82
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really? im 165 and overski the shit out of the chronic. Lay that thing on edge and watch it just fold. It skis slightly (i say slightly) better than the honeybadger when it comes to stiffness. What length are you on? im on the 178.
Mar 18 2019 2:21PM
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phatlip
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I am 5'9 155 lbs
Mar 18 2019 2:29PM
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freeskibum82
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I have the brand new ski. I ski and carve very aggressive outside of the park. that puts a lot of stress on this ski. The older chronic was definitely stiffer as i have used that ski as well. Compared to the Soul Rider 97, Rossi S3, even my Rossi Scratch its VERY soft.

Here's what my collection this season consists of for reference:
Mar 19 2019 8:10AM
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Line_Skis
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Chronics for what you're describing. Really happy how the new ones came out .. A lot more responsive and 'all-terrain freestylie" thanks!
Mar 19 2019 12:09PM
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SofaKingSick
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phatlipAaaah, this is getting confusing!


don't get overwhelmed. there are so many skis nowadays which makes it tough but honestly almost all of them are great. pick a good middle of the road ski and don't sweat the details. park skis are easy to ski and forgiving and you won't have much of an issue regardless of what you land on
Mar 19 2019 12:34PM
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olic
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freeskibum82really? im 165 and overski the shit out of the chronic. Lay that thing on edge and watch it just fold. It skis slightly (i say slightly) better than the honeybadger when it comes to stiffness. What length are you on? im on the 178.


That's weird, I've had no issues at all with the 2014 version folding on me under aggressive skiing, I'm 5'6" and 156lbs, it's nowhere near a stiff charger but definitely more than capable as a fun jibby all mountain ski. not sure how construction changed from that version onward though...
Mar 20 2019 9:57AM
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CalumSKI
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phatlipHi, thanks. No parks, so just jumps and bumps on the slope. Will they carve ok? And are they fairly easy to handle?

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cop the marksmans
they are asymmetric which really helps them carve
they are also 106 so they can really handle any thing
Mar 22 2019 8:56AM
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olic
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CalumSKIcop the marksmans
they are asymmetric which really helps them carve
they are also 106 so they can really handle any thing


This is a good shout, and K2s are pretty bomber
Mar 22 2019 9:37AM
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supersquid
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phatlipHi, thanks. No parks, so just jumps and bumps on the slope. Will they carve ok? And are they fairly easy to handle?

**This post was edited on Mar 17th 2019 at 11:39:14am


They are pretty fun to carve and really fun skiing all mountain. However, both the tips have started to delam after 8-9 days. I caught both pretty early on and epoxied them as soon as I saw the tiny crack of space between edge and topsheet. Havent heard of this happening to others, but it is something you should keep your ears open about.
Mar 22 2019 5:53PM
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phatlip
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Hi, don´t know if you get this, but I would just like to say that I ended up buying the Chronics. Unfortunately only had a chance to try the once, but they seem super fun and great for my needs. There might be other skis out there that might be even better, but I must say that I am enjoing these so far. To bad its the end of the season, really looking forward to next winter!
Thanks for all your thoughts and advice!
Apr 7 2019 2:37PM
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