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Trying to go bigger on backflips - need advice

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threepin
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As the title says I’m having trouble scaling my backflips from the 20’ range into the 30-40’ range. I consistently over rotate. Is there anything more to it than just trying to rotate slower?

Here's some footage as an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/b0nxnc/over_rotated/

Here's about the biggest backie I can do right now consistently https://gfycat.com/bountifulwildindianrockpython

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Mar 13 2019 5:09PM
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GSR
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You have to open up if you want to rotate slower. Or huck it less at the beginning. It's one of those things you have to practise to get the feel of.
Mar 13 2019 5:11PM
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shin-bang
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Threads for me too.

Interested in suggestions
Mar 13 2019 5:11PM
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GSR
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shin-bangThreads for me too.

Interested in suggestions

what helped me was going to a tramp park and practicing doing a really lofty backflip as high as you can jump. Being really open with your stomach and chest push out with your legs together and really focus on rotating slow and then pulling it in at the end.
Mar 13 2019 5:25PM
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threepin
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GRaboneSnowYou have to open up if you want to rotate slower. Or huck it less at the beginning. It's one of those things you have to practise to get the feel of.
I'm definitely open, I usually spot the landing way to far up and I think I just need to huck it less. Thanks for your input man.
Mar 13 2019 5:56PM
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DirtYStylE
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Don't huck it / start your rotation slower. Bit note here is the tuck. If you are tucked up you spin faster. Opening up makes the rotation slower.

I am a big fan of laying them out. The longer I am upside down the better. So you pop with the idea of laying it out. Once you pop, let your limbs trail behind making the rotation even slower. Once you spot the landing, bring in your legs. Tuck your knees to your chest and it will finish the rotation.

Even better: when you are starting to land, look towards the next jump. So you land square. If you stare where you are going to land to long you end up leaning forward when you land
Mar 13 2019 6:27PM
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SchlossAdler
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Motherfucker did you do that in teles, what the hell
Mar 13 2019 7:12PM
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threepin
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This is awesome feedback thank you for taking the time to give your input. I’m definitely laid out and I feel like by tucking or not tucking I can land consistently in the 10-20’ range. I think like you mentioned I need to huck less to get bigger range. I usually look straight where I’m landing, im worried if I spot towards the next jump I’ll over rotate more. It’s worth a shot tho.

Edit: I see what you mean about landing too forward, that makes sense

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Mar 13 2019 7:13PM
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threepin
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SchlossAdlerMotherfucker did you do that in teles, what the hell
haha yeah, it’s a good time
Mar 13 2019 7:15PM
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r00kie
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SchlossAdlerMotherfucker did you do that in teles, what the hell


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Mar 13 2019 7:41PM
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theabortionator
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Dont throw it really. Just pop kind and pish your hips forward and look back. Dangle your legs there. It's kind of a two part even if smooth. The initial pop off the jump, then you snap your legs around to land.

Feels awesome to just chill there upside down and then crank her around and ride away.
Mar 14 2019 11:37AM
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first_rodeo
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LAAAAAIIIIIIID Back versus kicking your legs over.
Mar 14 2019 11:46AM
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NoImNotaBoarder
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I've never backflipped on snow but I can do really laid out ones on a trampoline and I just try to like let me lower body be loose so when i set the rotation I feel like im trying to get my head around to touch my feet if that makes sense. Once you've got the backflip rotation down, it's super easy to figure out how to lay em out, just make sure you spot your landing and get your feet back under you.
Mar 14 2019 2:41PM
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neleson
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Its mostly about the pop with backflips. If you get a good pop of the jump and manage to keep it opened and layd back then you dont really have to set it much and youll have super easy control. Also remember when doing a backflip layd back its really hard to under rotate because you can 90% of the time manage to get your legs under yourself ans like that you have way more control. I dont suggest tucking while doing backflips its harder to control usually.
Mar 14 2019 6:34PM
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Rusticles
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theabortionatorDont throw it really. Just pop kind and pish your hips forward and look back. Dangle your legs there. It's kind of a two part even if smooth. The initial pop off the jump, then you snap your legs around to land.

Feels awesome to just chill there upside down and then crank her around and ride away.


This is how I always explain it. A two part process, -get yourself upside down.
-assess the situation/hang out and enjoy and bring the feet around.
I guess that’s like three.
Just pop and lightly throw your hips forward and look back. Once you’re upside down, look around, enjoy the scenery and then bring the feet back under.
The bigger the jump the easier they get. It’s almost effortless on bigger jumps
Mar 14 2019 7:51PM
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WoFIowz
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This is gonna sound weird but did you have a pov front flip video trending on reddit the other day?


And teles Holy fuck man
Mar 14 2019 8:33PM
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threepin
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Hell yeah, thanks for the input guys

theabortionatorDont throw it really. Just pop kind and pish your hips forward and look back. Dangle your legs there. It's kind of a two part even if smooth. The initial pop off the jump, then you snap your legs around to land.

Feels awesome to just chill there upside down and then crank her around and ride away.


For sure, this is where I think I am going wrong. I am popping and throwing back at the same time. I think I can wait to throw back a little longer on bigger jumps. Will have to try this.

NoImNotaBoarderI've never backflipped on snow but I can do really laid out ones on a trampoline and I just try to like let me lower body be loose so when i set the rotation I feel like im trying to get my head around to touch my feet if that makes sense. Once you've got the backflip rotation down, it's super easy to figure out how to lay em out, just make sure you spot your landing and get your feet back under you.


I can definitely lay them out, I just seem to be struggling with slowing my rotation down. I like the head to feet concept.

nelesonIts mostly about the pop with backflips. If you get a good pop of the jump and manage to keep it opened and layd back then you dont really have to set it much and youll have super easy control. Also remember when doing a backflip layd back its really hard to under rotate because you can 90% of the time manage to get your legs under yourself ans like that you have way more control. I dont suggest tucking while doing backflips its harder to control usually.


Definitely agree that tucking is not a way to do a backflip, unless youre laid out and have spotted and need to speed up rotation. I think I need to get over my fear of under rotating and just throw it back easier and trust it.

RusticlesThis is how I always explain it. A two part process, -get yourself upside down.
-assess the situation/hang out and enjoy and bring the feet around.
I guess that’s like three.
Just pop and lightly throw your hips forward and look back. Once you’re upside down, look around, enjoy the scenery and then bring the feet back under.
The bigger the jump the easier they get. It’s almost effortless on bigger jumps


See this is where I am struggling, I know it should be effortless but I am afraid of putting in so little effort that I don't even start a rotation haha.

runforlove2018This is gonna sound weird but did you have a pov front flip video trending on reddit the other day?


And teles Holy fuck man


Ya man, that post took off for some reason. Thanks

link for those wondering: https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/b01jns/frontflip/
Mar 15 2019 10:42AM
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theabortionator
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Yeah dont really throw it. When you learn them on small jumps you kinda throw it and it works because yu dont have much airtime. Anything over 15-20 you gott lay it out even a bit. I mean you can flip the other way on a huge jump but its harder to keep from overotating, doesnt look or feel as good.
Mar 15 2019 10:56AM
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Ryanvdonk
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threepinThis is awesome feedback thank you for taking the time to give your input. I’m definitely laid out and I feel like by tucking or not tucking I can land consistently in the 10-20’ range. I think like you mentioned I need to huck less to get bigger range. I usually look straight where I’m landing, im worried if I spot towards the next jump I’ll over rotate more. It’s worth a shot tho.

Edit: I see what you mean about landing too forward, that makes sense

**This post was edited on Mar 13th 2019 at 7:14:44pm


it's more cause you're slinging the flip straight off the lip. you need to work on the pop and using your core to bring it around, then you'll be able to lay it out more patiently with arching your back and tucking after you spot to bring your feet around if you need. practice on tramps just jumping straight up, looking back, then bringing your knees to your chest to bring the flip around.
Mar 15 2019 12:32PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Ayy that's the jump I want to try my first doubles in the park on this week
Mar 15 2019 1:54PM
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threepin
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Ryanvdonkit's more cause you're slinging the flip straight off the lip. you need to work on the pop and using your core to bring it around, then you'll be able to lay it out more patiently with arching your back and tucking after you spot to bring your feet around if you need. practice on tramps just jumping straight up, looking back, then bringing your knees to your chest to bring the flip around.

This makes a ton of sense now that I’m thinking about how I throw them. Thanks man, I’ll give this a shot on a tramp. I can probably practice this on the smaller flips as well to a degree.
Mar 15 2019 4:57PM
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Rusticles
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threepinHell yeah, thanks for the input guys



For sure, this is where I think I am going wrong. I am popping and throwing back at the same time. I think I can wait to throw back a little longer on bigger jumps. Will have to try this.



I can definitely lay them out, I just seem to be struggling with slowing my rotation down. I like the head to feet concept.



Definitely agree that tucking is not a way to do a backflip, unless youre laid out and have spotted and need to speed up rotation. I think I need to get over my fear of under rotating and just throw it back easier and trust it.



See this is where I am struggling, I know it should be effortless but I am afraid of putting in so little effort that I don't even start a rotation haha.



Ya man, that post took off for some reason. Thanks

link for those wondering: https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/b01jns/frontflip/


Here’s something that may help, look for a swimming pool with diving platforms, not diving boards.
They’ll likely have a 10ft and a 15ft platform if not higher. Learn to do a gainer off the highest one, that is the most similar feeling to a backflip on skis.
Mar 18 2019 1:40AM
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threepin
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RusticlesHere’s something that may help, look for a swimming pool with diving platforms, not diving boards.
They’ll likely have a 10ft and a 15ft platform if not higher. Learn to do a gainer off the highest one, that is the most similar feeling to a backflip on skis.

Great idea. It's all making sense now as I have always done standing backflips off diving boards but have never pulled a gainer. This has caused me to always throw backflips on skis right off the lip. I need to learn to pop, then rotate with my core to bring the flip around which will result in more control on bigger airs.
Mar 18 2019 12:30PM
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tsingtaofanatic
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to do bigger backflips on tramp one thing that helped out was staying centered and balanced. Coach reccomended t-posing too, which also helps with balance and control.
Mar 19 2019 1:42AM
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Rusticles
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threepinGreat idea. It's all making sense now as I have always done standing backflips off diving boards but have never pulled a gainer. This has caused me to always throw backflips on skis right off the lip. I need to learn to pop, then rotate with my core to bring the flip around which will result in more control on bigger airs.


I think it'll help a bunch. It really teaches you how to initiate the rotation properly and slow it down. once you get it dialed you realize it's easier on bigger jumps haha. I remember learning the difference. It's a great feeling when they become ridiculously easy on big jumps. Godd Luck
Mar 19 2019 11:25AM
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threepin
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RusticlesI think it'll help a bunch. It really teaches you how to initiate the rotation properly and slow it down. once you get it dialed you realize it's easier on bigger jumps haha. I remember learning the difference. It's a great feeling when they become ridiculously easy on big jumps. Godd Luck


Hell yeah, thanks man. Question for ya: Can I practice this on the smaller backflips I'm comfortable with already? Should I just focus on what has been mentioned: Popping first then using my core to rotate backwards instead of relying so much on the lip?
Mar 19 2019 12:43PM
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Rusticles
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threepinHell yeah, thanks man. Question for ya: Can I practice this on the smaller backflips I'm comfortable with already? Should I just focus on what has been mentioned: Popping first then using my core to rotate backwards instead of relying so much on the lip?

I think so. I'm honestly not that comfortable with smaller backflips now. I did one off a fairly poppy 15-20 footer in the park on the weekend and it seemed like it happened fairly quickly and was a bit scary. I really didn't have time to feel my way through it and know where I was compared to 30+ footers. You can give it a shot though
Mar 19 2019 1:57PM
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threepin
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RusticlesI think so. I'm honestly not that comfortable with smaller backflips now. I did one off a fairly poppy 15-20 footer in the park on the weekend and it seemed like it happened fairly quickly and was a bit scary. I really didn't have time to feel my way through it and know where I was compared to 30+ footers. You can give it a shot though


For sure. The small ones are a bit quick and sketch. I'll give it a shot.

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Mar 20 2019 4:22PM
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theabortionator
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RusticlesHere’s something that may help, look for a swimming pool with diving platforms, not diving boards.
They’ll likely have a 10ft and a 15ft platform if not higher. Learn to do a gainer off the highest one, that is the most similar feeling to a backflip on skis.


I feel like that's more for learning them off cliffs. The diving board kicks you up and so does a jump. Honestly I think a trampoline feels the most similar. You can start on one side and do a gainer toward the center. Sure you aren't traveling as far but it feels pretty similar to me.
Mar 20 2019 4:34PM
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