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skiswerveAccording to the NS short review of the BDOG Edgless, skiing them on a mountain isn't terrible except on ice (the whole east coast) so will the BDOG Edgeless be a option for a 100% park ski? Were talking not even skiing a green trail just dedicated park will it work on mountain. I've read threads talking about a edgeless ski on a resort/mountain surface and it barely working but is it possible the Edgeless will?
WoosDoubt it because there isn't really an advantage but there are tons of negatives. Rails on resorts are made with metals meant to be slid on. It's not like the streets where you are seeing rough stone features, wood, soft metals, etc.
The first thing to note about the BDog Edgeless is that it’s actually not that bad to ski on snow. I could ski around Copper with relatively little difficulty except on ice patches and they slide rails like a dream.
SklarTwig rode the edgless BDog and talked about it here:
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Tested-5-2020-Skis
SklarTwig rode the edgless BDog and talked about it here:
TwigTo elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.
Other points to note:
- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.
- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.
- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.
Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
b-dogyesir it works anywhere and it’s real playful, in the right conditions. obviously ice is it’s worst enemy but if you got basic skills you can get around fairly well. they are great for butters, presses, pops and consistency on rail of all kind. but if you tryna ski in a gs race you prally not winning
skiswerveHaha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
SofaKingSickThese skis at a commonly icy place sounds awful. I don’t see any good reason to get them if that’s the case...it’s not like they’re that cheap
skiswerveMy friend has Moment Vices that have 0 edge (fell off) and he can still ski but there two very different skis
SofaKingSickOh you can for sure do it, I’ve used skis after their edges rip out. Im just saying that buying them with that edge status seems like a losing play if you ski an icy hill, the cons just outweigh the pros imo
skiswerveHaha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
SuspiciousFishEdgeless Chinese Downhill. MAKE IT HAPPEN
CatdickBojanglesIs there some sort of faux edge? Like ptex edges or wooden edges or does the base just meet the sidewall?
skiswerveliterally just edge a small sidewall and topsheet literally a ski without a edge
CatdickBojanglesGot it. Wasn’t sure how they were going to do it. I’ll be interested to see how durable it is without edges too. I wish 9th ward could have dropped the replaceable underfoot edgeless ski before they died.
skiswerveI mean idk about durability but they'll hit rails fine and prolly never will go bad i guess the "sides" will just shave down
CatdickBojanglesYou don’t think big impacts on the underfoot without an edge there won’t just blow the sidewall out?
TwigTo elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.
Other points to note:
- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.
- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.
- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.
Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
skiswerveI agree, at the same time tho it looks like a fucking amazing ski especially the flex, now how do we incorporate everything from the edgless into a regular ski? Any body else think the graphic was a let down also?
surfaceoutsidersOk I'm confused because some people said that they are fine for getting to and from the park but other people said that they are difficult to ski at all on groomers. I live in the Midwest so it's not that icy, generally soft man-made snow on groomers. Would these work as a dedicated park ski?
yeah_boiI skied them at Trollhaugen for a whole day and they were perfectly fine. Really fun skis
surfaceoutsidersOk I'm confused because some people said that they are fine for getting to and from the park but other people said that they are difficult to ski at all on groomers. I live in the Midwest so it's not that icy, generally soft man-made snow on groomers. Would these work as a dedicated park ski?
surfaceoutsidersBet. Someone told me that skiing this ski on groomers was more dangerous than fun but tbh I don't care if I'm scrubbing all the way to the lift as long as I can control my trajectory and speed.
