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Black Crows Nocta, other ~120ish reverse camber skis for everyday

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Non_State_Actor
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Anyone riding the Nocta as a one-ski quiver?

What other full rocker 120ish skis would you use as an only ski?

I ski Tahoe mostly, went from ARV 96 to Kye 110 and they still don't feel wide at all so I'm thinking to try something wider and am intrigued by reverse camber skis.

I'm an advanced skier, 5'7" 140, ski all mountain, steeps, trees, small drops/cliffs, natural features. I have poor form and am an upright, neutral stance, slashy kind of skier.

Suggestions and discussion appreciated.
Feb 12 2019 6:18PM
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Rum_Ham
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Meridian 117?
Feb 12 2019 6:55PM
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tino_
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Heard good things about the 4frnt inthayne
Feb 12 2019 7:24PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Volkl Revolt 121? It's out next year.
Feb 12 2019 7:28PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Rum_HamMeridian 117?


Reallly good suggestion. I should make it over to Reno one of these days to check out the factory and possibly demo these.

tino_Heard good things about the 4frnt inthayne


Also good, I like my current 4frnts.

.MASSHOLE.Volkl Revolt 121? It's out next year.


Do you think there's any chance these will shave 800g compared to the current 124s? They weigh 2700, I'm not a huge guy by any means and don't really drive skis super hard.
Feb 12 2019 8:07PM
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NickelbackFan420
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Black Crows are the greatest fucking skis ive ever rode. I was rock hard the entire time and im pretty sure i farted going down a run. you will not be disappointed.
Feb 15 2019 4:22PM
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skidemon22
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I ski the CT 5.0 a lot and its great. holds an edge just fine on ice and hard-pack, and is super fun in variable conditions.

ive hit the park with it and that's hysterical haha
Feb 17 2019 1:12PM
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animator
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I rocked the Nocta last year as a daily in New England its awesome. Not so great on ice but as long as theres something for it to grab it fucking rips. It skis a little short so if you buy one be careful about that.
Mar 6 2019 6:06PM
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patagonialuke
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The 4FRNT Inthayne is a really fun ski. It's not the slashiest or loosest ski, but it is strong, light, and more stable than I figured given how light it is. And you can ski it neutral or forward, which is nice. It's got a long turn radius and it feels like it on firm snow — much prefers longer turns over tighter ones. But it's a very fun ski. And you should definitely hit up Moment and see if you could demo a Meridian 117 or Chiptole Banana. The Meridian 117 is getting discontinued for 19/20, so they might not have many available, but they also might have some on sale. Haven't skied the Nocta yet but am hoping to soon. And should be able to compare the CT 5.0 and Inthayne pretty soon. Will report back if I do.
Mar 6 2019 9:25PM
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animatorI rocked the Nocta last year as a daily in New England its awesome. Not so great on ice but as long as theres something for it to grab it fucking rips. It skis a little short so if you buy one be careful about that.


Thanks, I guess I'd be looking at the 185. Sounds big but I'm on 181s now and they don't feel too long unless I'm tooling around trying to help the kids put their gear back together after yard sale-ing.

patagonialukeThe 4FRNT Inthayne is a really fun ski. It's not the slashiest or loosest ski, but it is strong, light, and more stable than I figured given how light it is. And you can ski it neutral or forward, which is nice. It's got a long turn radius and it feels like it on firm snow — much prefers longer turns over tighter ones. But it's a very fun ski. And you should definitely hit up Moment and see if you could demo a Meridian 117 or Chiptole Banana. The Meridian 117 is getting discontinued for 19/20, so they might not have many available, but they also might have some on sale. Haven't skied the Nocta yet but am hoping to soon. And should be able to compare the CT 5.0 and Inthayne pretty soon. Will report back if I do.


Is the Chipotle Banana a ton of ski compared to the Meridian 117? It looks like there are some 17/18 Meridians still around that are closer to the number I'm working with.

Is there any reason I should be interested in Faction? None of their skis really grab me and the durability I've seen out of the CT 2.0 and 3.0 is suspect at best.
Mar 7 2019 2:45AM
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skidemon22
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Is there any reason I should be interested in Faction? None of their skis really grab me and the durability I've seen out of the CT 2.0 and 3.0 is suspect at best.


We have moved a lot of our 1920 production to all new manufacturers, which is greatly going to increase the quality assurance. The CT 5.0 (NBL) was never made at the same factory as the 2.0 and 3.0 (Sporten). We will actually be moving the CT 3.0 a year early, to be made in an all-new factory (this will be a whole new model, so stoked!)

Again, the CT 5.0 is so much fun, I highly recommend it!
Mar 7 2019 1:17PM
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animator
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mystery3Is there any reason I should be interested in Faction? None of their skis really grab me and the durability I've seen out of the CT 2.0 and 3.0 is suspect at best.


I kno Faction gets some heat on NS but I’ve met a lot of their team and been to their HQ in Verbier and they are some of the best people in the industry. If you’re skiing park and skiing it hard then maybe they aren’t the skis for you but if you’re skiing all over, they can’t be beat in my opinion. I’ve owned a lot of skis over the past few years and I love my Factions more than any other skis
Mar 7 2019 1:25PM
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quagsire
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The newer Blizzard Spur could be another lightweight option to consider. Profile is more of a flat with tip and tail rocker than a true reverse camber, but the asymmetry will help give you the loose floaty feel of a true reverse.
Mar 7 2019 4:27PM
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supersquid
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little unrelated but I just copped a homies kye 110's (actually 114). Havent ridden em yet but from what I have heard, they can charge pretty good but they dont deal with crud very well, just soft snow. Is this accurate?
Mar 8 2019 4:34PM
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supersquidlittle unrelated but I just copped a homies kye 110's (actually 114). Havent ridden em yet but from what I have heard, they can charge pretty good but they dont deal with crud very well, just soft snow. Is this accurate?


They aren't terrific in crud, my 181s weigh ~1900g each, but not unmanageable. I've skied them in a pretty wide variety of conditions this year though not in refrozen chunder yet, usually find that in the spring mornings. The only place I really struggled was in waist deep heavy wet fresh.
Mar 8 2019 4:44PM
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OregonDead
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If you can find some YLE's they are very versatile for the size.
Mar 8 2019 5:01PM
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supersquidlittle unrelated but I just copped a homies kye 110's (actually 114). Havent ridden em yet but from what I have heard, they can charge pretty good but they dont deal with crud very well, just soft snow. Is this accurate?


I forgot to mention, I did some detuning with a gummie in tips and tails well down into the contact area and it helped a lot to feel less hooky in the heavy chop. They still deflect in firm chop though. Fun ski, let me know what you think of them?
Mar 10 2019 12:09AM
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supersquid
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mystery3I forgot to mention, I did some detuning with a gummie in tips and tails well down into the contact area and it helped a lot to feel less hooky in the heavy chop. They still deflect in firm chop though. Fun ski, let me know what you think of them?


rode em yesterday in a foot of fresh snow. Super fun in the soft stuff, crud was a not as fun. It was manageable but you couldnt ski through it like you could with something stiffer. To make it through the rough stuff I really had to get me weight over my tips and carve into the crud piles and almost drive the ski through them. Overall a great ski but I would have rather had my devastators for the crud.
Mar 10 2019 3:58PM
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supersquid
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mystery3I forgot to mention, I did some detuning with a gummie in tips and tails well down into the contact area and it helped a lot to feel less hooky in the heavy chop. They still deflect in firm chop though. Fun ski, let me know what you think of them?


rode em yesterday in a foot of fresh snow. Super fun in the soft stuff, crud was a not as fun. It was manageable but you couldnt ski through it like you could with something stiffer. To make it through the rough stuff I really had to get me weight over my tips and carve into the crud piles and almost drive the ski through them. Overall a great ski but I would have rather had my devastators for the crud.
Mar 10 2019 3:58PM
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Brudenski
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Reverse camber everyday ski? Why not go with a rocker/camber/rocker ski for a truly everyday ski that is better on spring snow, hard(er) packed, and conditions other than powder? I ski a Liberty Pro (122) underfoot, has a 24M radius and they are super fun in all conditions. Many opinions out there, but reverse camber skis can be sketchy in sketchy conditions.
Mar 10 2019 11:04PM
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BrudenskiReverse camber everyday ski? Why not go with a rocker/camber/rocker ski for a truly everyday ski that is better on spring snow, hard(er) packed, and conditions other than powder? I ski a Liberty Pro (122) underfoot, has a 24M radius and they are super fun in all conditions. Many opinions out there, but reverse camber skis can be sketchy in sketchy conditions.


Have skis with healthy amounts of rocker already. Why not go full reverse camber? I ski mostly in Tahoe so while ice does exist it's not prevalent.
Mar 10 2019 11:17PM
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Brudenski
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Black crows- Nocta or Daemon
4FRNT- InThayne

Two solid choices above. Maybe some older Icelandic Gypsy if you can find em. Seems manufacturers are getting away from full rockered skis from what i see. So load up while you can.
Mar 10 2019 11:35PM
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BrudenskiBlack crows- Nocta or Daemon
4FRNT- InThayne

Two solid choices above. Maybe some older Icelandic Gypsy if you can find em. Seems manufacturers are getting away from full rockered skis from what i see. So load up while you can.


Daemon is too narrow and I'll try my wife's Daemon Birdies out sometime soon even though they're a little short for me.

A lot of companies are putting out basically zero camber flat shapes with tip and tail rocker or "early rise" which is pretty close, the Daemon basically falls into that category as well with it's almost flat tail.

Nocta and Inthayne are on the list and there are a couple other skis mentioned in this thread CT 5.0, Volkl revolt 121 that are reverse camber from major manufacturers so I don't think they're a dying breed just pulling back from some of the more extreme profiles.
Mar 11 2019 12:16AM
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Chrisc70
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Moment Chipotle Bananas? Pretty burly ski, but fun AF. I just got back from AK where I rode the Chipotles or my Bibbys every day. I love the Bibbys, but if you want full rocker you should check out the CBs.
Mar 14 2019 1:47PM
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hot.pocket
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Chrisc70Moment Chipotle Bananas?


Pressing more tomorrow!
Mar 14 2019 3:47PM
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effyeadude
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The Chipotle's look sweet. Any comments on these vs the Ghost train. ?

I am looking for full rocker. The CB are a little more narrow in tip / tail, and look like a little less ski than the Shiro's, V2's, Nocta's. I used the V2 up in AK.
Feb 22 2020 7:44PM
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