Pivot vs traditional bindings

Stationary heel vs pivoting heel. Functionally, i couldn't tell you.

my two favorite bindings so i will compare the two for you.

Pivot 18
-bomber toe piece but no wing adjustment, or easy wtr feature
-turntable heels, which make for a smooth release, sometimes i didnt even know i ejected
-smaller mounting pattern, which is both a pro (allows ski to flex) and a con (supposedly can tear out easier if youre a big guy)
-very little adjustment if you switch boot sizes compared to normal bindings
-another plus about the heel piece is theyre the only ones who dont destroy/round off my heel lug
-you have to unmount and replace/ buy a new heel piece if you bust a brake

Pivot 14
same as above except the new models have the wtr feature and are plastic. I personally have never had any issues with the plastic toes but will always prefer the metal housing of the sth or pivot cus im a bigger and fatter guy

STH2
-also has a bomber toe + wing adjustment+ toe height adjustment
-has rubber dampening pads
-large heel adjustment range which comes in clutch
-easily replaceable brakes
-slightly higher off the ski compared to fks (stand height)
-generally are cheaper than pivot 18s

Pivots wont release laterally from the heel.

Pivot 18 heel pieces are prone to exploding. Even after the recall.

One of the biggest things is pivots high elasticity in the heel due to its rotating plate. What this means is your bindings have more give when you’re about to eject so they keep you locked in where as you may pop out on another bindings heel with the same din.

shin-bangmy two favorite bindings so i will compare the two for you.

Pivot 18
-bomber toe piece but no wing adjustment, or easy wtr feature
-turntable heels, which make for a smooth release, sometimes i didnt even know i ejected
-smaller mounting pattern, which is both a pro (allows ski to flex) and a con (supposedly can tear out easier if youre a big guy)
-very little adjustment if you switch boot sizes compared to normal bindings
-another plus about the heel piece is theyre the only ones who dont destroy/round off my heel lug
-you have to unmount and replace/ buy a new heel piece if you bust a brake

Pivot 14
same as above except the new models have the wtr feature and are plastic. I personally have never had any issues with the plastic toes but will always prefer the metal housing of the sth or pivot cus im a bigger and fatter guy

STH2
-also has a bomber toe + wing adjustment+ toe height adjustment
-has rubber dampening pads
-large heel adjustment range which comes in clutch
-easily replaceable brakes
-slightly higher off the ski compared to fks (stand height)
-generally are cheaper than pivot 18s

STHs over Attacks... may I ask what you reasoning is? I personally like the Attacks and Pivots the best (Attacks on every ski I own right now) but I don't have much experience riding the STHs.

WoosSTHs over Attacks... may I ask what you reasoning is? I personally like the Attacks and Pivots the best (Attacks on every ski I own right now) but I don't have much experience riding the STHs.

And the same goes for me with the attacks... I rode a demo version when a company was doing demos.

Attacks are appealing, because they’re solid, low stack height, and cheap. From appearance, the attack toe pieces don’t mechanically wrap/grip the toe as far down.. but they probably do just as good of a job. Attacks use a tab forward pressure system where as fks and Sth both use screws, screws are a bit more fine tuned in my mind but the tab is pretty slick and easy.

Personal preference really, I’m just a huge fan of the Sth toe. Perhaps I can get on a pair of attacks soon!

Attack toe piece did not inspire confidence in me. Feel much safer clicked into my pivots or jesters. Heard nothing but good things about the attack but my issue with the AFD adjustment is the first issue I’ve had with a new binding. Not hating on the attack, mostly mental but I’d pay the money every time from now on to get something more solid looking.

nuno81291Attack toe piece did not inspire confidence in me. Feel much safer clicked into my pivots or jesters. Heard nothing but good things about the attack but my issue with the AFD adjustment is the first issue I’ve had with a new binding. Not hating on the attack, mostly mental but I’d pay the money every time from now on to get something more solid looking.

I had few pre release issues with attack 11s when I landed with a lot of weight forwards. I rode them at a 9 din 5' 8" at 125 lbs. I just assumed that I needed a bigger binding since i was getting better at skiing & putting on muscle from lifting , so i just got a beefier binding. Unfortunately i chose the griffon.

**This post was edited on Jan 30th 2019 at 8:36:02pm

WoosSTHs over Attacks... may I ask what you reasoning is? I personally like the Attacks and Pivots the best (Attacks on every ski I own right now) but I don't have much experience riding the STHs.

The STH toe is one of the most elastic on the market if not the most.

oh, and i forgot to add that sth have an actual float system built into the heel piece, which truly allows the ski to flex. Im not aware of other bindings with the same design (help me out of you know of others), rather than just letting the forward pressure take up the slack.

shin-bangmy two favorite bindings so i will compare the two for you.

Pivot 18
-bomber toe piece but no wing adjustment, or easy wtr feature
-turntable heels, which make for a smooth release, sometimes i didnt even know i ejected
-smaller mounting pattern, which is both a pro (allows ski to flex) and a con (supposedly can tear out easier if youre a big guy)
-very little adjustment if you switch boot sizes compared to normal bindings
-another plus about the heel piece is theyre the only ones who dont destroy/round off my heel lug
-you have to unmount and replace/ buy a new heel piece if you bust a brake

Pivot 14
same as above except the new models have the wtr feature and are plastic. I personally have never had any issues with the plastic toes but will always prefer the metal housing of the sth or pivot cus im a bigger and fatter guy

STH2
-also has a bomber toe + wing adjustment+ toe height adjustment
-has rubber dampening pads
-large heel adjustment range which comes in clutch
-easily replaceable brakes
-slightly higher off the ski compared to fks (stand height)
-generally are cheaper than pivot 18s

I believe WTR is phased out for 18/19 and replaced by the AW system. Is that right?

As for Pivots, I've also used Attacks, and a couple different Marker bindings (Griffons and Dukes). I don't know exactly what it is about Pivots but they feel like a better quality system to me, probably because they're metal. The release is super smooth, which may or may not mean anything, but it feels better to me. Even when I click in, they feel more connected to the ski. And they look sick. The only thing that sucks is if you change your BSL you're fucked.

**This post was edited on Jan 30th 2019 at 11:00:07pm

jfang2799I had few pre release issues with attack 11s when I landed with a lot of weight forwards. I rode them at a 9 din 5' 8" at 125 lbs. I just assumed that I needed a bigger binding since i was getting better at skiing & putting on muscle from lifting , so i just got a beefier binding. Unfortunately i chose the griffon.

**This post was edited on Jan 30th 2019 at 8:36:02pm

Lol I'm 6" tall and 180lbs. You are tiny bud. It was probably your forward pressure settings. If your shop does a bad job setting it or you mess with it too much and don't know what you are doing you can really mess things up. I personally am riding between 9.5 and 12 DIN. My original 13s are at I think 11ish 12ish and my Attack2 13s are at 9.5-10ish right now because I just got them and haven't adjusted other than after I went up a din or two from what the shop set. I'm yet to release from the new ones as I've only skied them twice and I have only been doing butters and riding around with those skis (wanted a natural detune and to get used to the noodles they are). Hopefully they work out fine. If they have issues like some of you are having, then I will go back to Pivots or maybe try out the STH2s.