Why the fuck is getting bootfitted so frustrating? Holy shit

TheVictatorSo I went to the bootfitter today to get some Tecnica Mach 1 MV 130's and the bootfitter seemed great esp compared to past bootfitters I've had. Super super knowledgeable about technical details of boots. Everything was going great, we adjusted some things about the boot and got a custom insole. Then we heat molded the boot and afterwards it felt significantly less snug. I didn't like this and discussed it with the bootfitter and they seemed a bit unsure of what to do about it. They told me that the boot was definitely the right size for me and that I would probably have to try fitting in the LV if I really wanted a snug fit, but in that case they would have to cut down the liner (and thus if I didn't like the LV then I wouldn't be able to go back to the MV). I had tried the LV on earlier and the toe taper at the front made it too cramped. After a bit of further deliberation they told me that I should go out and ski the boots and if I didn't like them, then I can come back to the shop and get them padded up and adjusted for free, and there is even some irreversible process to make them super snug if need be.I ended up buying the MV but I'm just worried that it will feel about as loose as the boots I used to have, and that there won't be much improvement in control.

I asked about the 3-piece Dalbello boots they had and the bootfitter told me they were way too wide for me, but I looked them up and they had a narrower last than the Tecnica Mach 1 MV...at this point I didn't wanna pressure him into having me try on another boot esp when the Tecnica already fit very well (this was before heat molding so the Tecnica boot still felt really snug). I kinda wish I had tried on the Dalbellos because their diagonal ankle strap seems like it would keep my heel locked in much better than a standard boot. But I can't return the Tecnicas I bought now so idk what to do.

I've been to multiple boot places and tried on tons of boots and done a solid amount of research on this shit and it pisses me off that my experience can't just fucking work out. I've heard so much conflicting information and misinformation. Wtf is wrong with my feet? I just want something that fits like a glove and only barely lets my heel lift. Is that really too much to ask? Why can't I get it with all these boot technologies? Honestly fuck this sport sometimes

LineSkierB) You are wrong about the ankle strap on the Dablello. It doesn't help in the way you think it will and has a much wider heel pocket than the Mach 1. I know because I made that exact wrong assumption. I've since gone to Lange SX and then finally to Mach 1 HV and my heel is much more snug.

THE-Albino*Everyone has different feet and sometimes it fucking sucks. I myself have the foot of a rock climber so finding a boot that is snug around my toes is an extremely annoying hassle, no matter what boot I have I can guarantee that my toenails will be black from bruising within a week of solid skiing. I feel you bro.

buyfulltiltsAny suggestions about what I should ask the bootfitter to do?

onenerdykidIt sounds like you don't wear supportive footbeds in your everyday shoes?

If not, this is definitely something you need to look into. You do the most hurt & help to your feet in your every day shoes. For example, if you wear soft footwear 99% of the day for months at a time and then hop into a completely rigid structure with custom footbeds, then your body will spend most of its time readjusting to this new support, new alignment, new body positioning. Getting into a supportive footbed for your everyday shoes will help this tremendously.

As for the boot, just keep going back and have the boot-fitter analyze where things are loose and packing out. Perhaps it's just more foam to be added to the liner. And, ask him what he did last time. Can he do more?

a_pla5tic_bagWhat kind of footbeds can one put in every day shoes? Like superfeet ones or are there others?

buyfulltiltsthere is still heel lift, although I know there is no way to completely eliminate heel lift.

CyanicenineI feel really bad for all the people that think this is true. My heel would rip off before it would lift in my current boots. The trick with getting a "performance" fit is you've gotta cram your foot into the smallest shell boot you can, even if it's painfully snug. Then you just punch and grind out the areas that are too tight. Once you're at the point where you are shoving foam and shims and wedges in there, you're going down a bad road. All foam is going to degrade and pack out with time and you'll be back to square one, which is why you need the shell to be as snug as possible to begin with. You can always go for a full plug race boot, those things are narrow AF and they are made to be stretched and ground down, worked for me.

For now you are screwed, and you'll have to deal with half measures like added foam. Your other better and more costly options include getting some intuitions, foam injection, or other aftermarket liners. If you want some foam though you can just order some from tognar.com they have those butterfly shapes for ankle lock, or you can just buy the sheets and cut your own shapes.

buyfulltiltsI mean it does seem a bit ridiculous that I'm going to need to go that far to get such a performance fit. All the people who buy Full Tilts and can butter and do tricks ez definitely don't have that type of fit. FYI, my heels are only lifting when I try to go up on my nose for learning to butter. Is buttering just all in my shins? The bootfitter did seem kinda tentative about needing to lock in my forefoot and heel, like he didn't think it was really that necessary.