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Tecnica Mach 1 MV 120 or 130

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FruitBootPro
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See title, I’m looking for maximum control so I can learn more tricks properly and not get bucked tf around in chop/bumps. I’m still a Type II skier tho, not great in bumped up steeps. Which flex would be right for me?

Also, is heel lift acceptable? I personally don’t want it bc it seems like it would make nosebutters/nose manuals much harder but bootfitters tell me that heel lift is possible in any boot. Probably should just get heel wedges if it continues to be a problem. Thoughts?
Jan 13 2019 2:24PM
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onenerdykid
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What does your boot-fitter think? How much do you weigh? What boot are you using currently?

Your boot-fitters are correct that heel lift can happen in any boot, but it's the degree to which it is happening that is acceptable or not. Your foot is a flexible thing inside a non-flexible thing. Your foot will move inside it. It's just a matter of how much vs. how little. If you force your heel to lift, it will. Always.
Jan 13 2019 4:00PM
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FruitBootPro
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onenerdykidWhat does your boot-fitter think? How much do you weigh? What boot are you using currently?

Your boot-fitters are correct that heel lift can happen in any boot, but it's the degree to which it is happening that is acceptable or not. Your foot is a flexible thing inside a non-flexible thing. Your foot will move inside it. It's just a matter of how much vs. how little. If you force your heel to lift, it will. Always.

The bootfitter I went to thought the 120 would be fine but they didn’t have the 130. I weigh a bit under 200. Currently have Atomic Hawx Magna 110s that are too big.

How do I nosebutter if I can lift my heel?
Jan 13 2019 4:44PM
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LineSkier
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TheVictatorThe bootfitter I went to thought the 120 would be fine but they didn’t have the 130. I weigh a bit under 200. Currently have Atomic Hawx Magna 110s that are too big.

How do I nosebutter if I can lift my heel?


How tall are you? I suspect the 130 would be a better choice given your weight but it really depends on how much you're flexing the 120 in the shop. I would never buy the 120 simply because they didn't have the 130 in stock. I've made that mistake before. Other good candidates for narrow heel/ankle and moderate to wide forefoot would be Lange and Atomic. Ankle shims are worth a try but for me they didn't really work. I went Dalbello Panterra 130 with ankle shims (still too wide in the ankle/heel, good stiffness) --> Lange SX 120 with stock liners (good fit, not stiff enough) --> Lange SX 120 with Zip fits (better fit, not stiff enough) --> Mach 1 130 HV with Zip fits (awesome fit, very stiff).

**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2019 at 8:47:46pm
Jan 13 2019 6:56PM
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onenerdykid
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TheVictatorThe bootfitter I went to thought the 120 would be fine but they didn’t have the 130. I weigh a bit under 200. Currently have Atomic Hawx Magna 110s that are too big.

How do I nosebutter if I can lift my heel?


A guy your size should be in a 130.

You can always force your heel to lift 3-5mm. You will never get around that. It's just the physics of a flexible foot that has evolved for walking now inside a plastic shell not made for walking. Imagining a boot with 0% heel lift is not possible.
Jan 14 2019 5:33AM
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FruitBootPro
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onenerdykidA guy your size should be in a 130.

You can always force your heel to lift 3-5mm. You will never get around that. It's just the physics of a flexible foot that has evolved for walking now inside a plastic shell not made for walking. Imagining a boot with 0% heel lift is not possible.


Cool, so what should it feel like to nosebutter? I always tried putting my weight on the balls of my feet and leaning forward and that would just cause my heel to lift. Should I use my shins instead?
Jan 14 2019 12:52PM
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onenerdykid
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TheVictatorCool, so what should it feel like to nosebutter? I always tried putting my weight on the balls of my feet and leaning forward and that would just cause my heel to lift. Should I use my shins instead?


Nosebutters = heel lift

If you lock your heel down hard enough to not have heel lift while nosebuttering, then you will have a super uncomfortable amount of heel hold for the rest of your skiing.

If you can live with 3-5mm of heel lift, then that's ok.
Jan 14 2019 1:23PM
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FruitBootPro
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onenerdykidNosebutters = heel lift

If you lock your heel down hard enough to not have heel lift while nosebuttering, then you will have a super uncomfortable amount of heel hold for the rest of your skiing.

If you can live with 3-5mm of heel lift, then that's ok.

Ok but what is the weight placement, like how do you do it, what actions do you do in your legs and feet
Jan 14 2019 1:26PM
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TheVictatorOk but what is the weight placement, like how do you do it, what actions do you do in your legs and feet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLa06_fbvQ
Jan 14 2019 1:37PM
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FruitBootPro
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Btw does heat molding the liner affect length? When I tried the Mach 1s on they were a hair too short and my toes got just a bit scrunched. Do I need shell work done?
Jan 14 2019 4:36PM
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LineSkier
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TheVictatorBtw does heat molding the liner affect length? When I tried the Mach 1s on they were a hair too short and my toes got just a bit scrunched. Do I need shell work done?


They'll still pack out after heat molding, including a little in the toe box. Be mindful of the fact that when you maintain forward pressure on your shins it's going to push your toes away from the front of the boot, so you can't really tell how the toe box is from just standing in them. Also if you're slamming your toes into the front of the boot it's probably because you're back seat. Give them a handful of days and if they still feel too short you can have them punched out a touch.
Jan 14 2019 5:24PM
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TheVictatorBtw does heat molding the liner affect length? When I tried the Mach 1s on they were a hair too short and my toes got just a bit scrunched. Do I need shell work done?


You need a footbed. This will effectively shorten your foot inside the boot, holding it back in the heel pocket. Then heat mold. Then stretch if needed.
Jan 15 2019 3:02AM
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FruitBootPro
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Wow and of fucking course as soon as I finish my job training Tecnica sells out of the boots in the size I need and I have to get it for 400 dollars more through an online retailer

FML
Jan 16 2019 1:03AM
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TheVictatorWow and of fucking course as soon as I finish my job training Tecnica sells out of the boots in the size I need and I have to get it for 400 dollars more through an online retailer

FML


Check ASOGear on eBay. I just bought 130 HV's from them for like 450 (everyone else sells them for 700).
Jan 16 2019 10:43AM
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LineSkierCheck ASOGear on eBay. I just bought 130 HV's from them for like 450 (everyone else sells them for 700).


Not available in my size :(
Jan 16 2019 2:36PM
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do you need the 100mm last? being an MV they will pack out some. I prefer low volume boots for performance skiers. The 120s are soft for a 120 in my opinion. id say its closer to a 110 hawx. You should absolutely not have any heel lift when skiing. When doing nosebutters they may lift some but you should really be locked in. only a few mm of lift is acceptable. Id recommend a custom footbed as well and remember to bring the ski socks you normally wear.

**This post was edited on Jan 16th 2019 at 2:40:50pm
Jan 16 2019 2:40PM
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freeskibum82do you need the 100mm last? being an MV they will pack out some. I prefer low volume boots for performance skiers. The 120s are soft for a 120 in my opinion. id say its closer to a 110 hawx. You should absolutely not have any heel lift when skiing. When doing nosebutters they may lift some but you should really be locked in. only a few mm of lift is acceptable. Id recommend a custom footbed as well and remember to bring the ski socks you normally wear.

**This post was edited on Jan 16th 2019 at 2:40:50pm


I def need the 100mm last. Comparing it to the HVs, I felt so much more locked in in the MVs. Will get a custom footbed, would that change significantly how the boot fits or just make it better? Gonna buy the Tecnicas ASAP honestly
Jan 16 2019 2:45PM
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Btw, where do I get the custom footbed?
Jan 16 2019 2:52PM
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TheVictatorNot available in my size :(


Keep checking periodically, their pricing and inventory on eBay seem to change pretty regularly.
Jan 16 2019 3:16PM
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TheVictatorBtw, where do I get the custom footbed?


From your boot fitter, since they're the ones who will do the trimming and molding.
Jan 16 2019 3:18PM
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TheVictatorI def need the 100mm last. Comparing it to the HVs, I felt so much more locked in in the MVs. Will get a custom footbed, would that change significantly how the boot fits or just make it better? Gonna buy the Tecnicas ASAP honestly


I asked about the 100mm last because they also have the LV (98mm last) that is generally geared towards a more performance fit. A foot bed will support the foot better than that glorified piece of cardboard covered in felt that it comes with. Boot manufacturers typically do not invest a lot into the stock footbed because they cannot assume everyone has the same foot. Its best to get custom foot beds. The only one that does (and this may have changed with the takeover) is Atomic because they have a partnership with SIDAS.
Jan 17 2019 7:26AM
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