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How fat is too fat for midwest skiing?

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ButteredToast.
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Been shopping around for a new pair of skis, and haven't been tuned into the gear game lately so I don't know what's good these days.

I currently ride Atomic Patents, and pretty reliably have been gravitating toward fatter skis as I've never ridden a fat ski I didn't like.

The Patent is a 127-95-127 sidecut (symmetrical) that I've always loved but I'm looking to go fatter.

I've considered the Candide 2.0, Moment Deathwish, and toyed with the idea of the Wildcat/Bibby after hearing people say it's a good daily charger, but I think that's too fat for the midwest to be honest.

What's a good fat ski for a midwest boi? Looking for something close to symmetric that handles nicely switch for those tasty switch groomer carves. Would also like to be able to take it out west and have it perform decently everywhere on the mountain with the ability to dip into some powder if I feel so inclined, but I don't want to be chattering all over the damn place when it's icy at home.

Thanks m8eys

**This thread was edited on Nov 26th 2018 at 9:55:38pm
Nov 26 2018 9:54PM
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hot.pocket
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If you don't ski a ton of park, steer away from full symmetrical skis. Skis that aren't full symmetrical will typically ski switch on the groomers better than their full symmetrical counterparts.

I'd look for -3 to -6 rec'd mount, biased but Deathwish sounds like the answer.
Nov 26 2018 10:25PM
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ButteredToast.
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hot.pocketIf you don't ski a ton of park, steer away from full symmetrical skis. Skis that aren't full symmetrical will typically ski switch on the groomers better than their full symmetrical counterparts.

I'd look for -3 to -6 rec'd mount, biased but Deathwish sounds like the answer.


How's the carving performance for these on hardpack? Obviously it will feel different than the 18m turning radius skis I have now, but will it feel like I'm turning a boat?

I really really like the idea of a 112 waist ski that I can manage in the midwest but I'm only hesitant on the carving performance and swing weight.

Sell me on the Deathwish, I'm seriously considering.
Nov 26 2018 10:49PM
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hot.pocket
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ButteredToast.How's the carving performance for these on hardpack? Obviously it will feel different than the 18m turning radius skis I have now, but will it feel like I'm turning a boat?

I really really like the idea of a 112 waist ski that I can manage in the midwest but I'm only hesitant on the carving performance and swing weight.

Sell me on the Deathwish, I'm seriously considering.


Tip and tail rocker will help with keep the ski from feeling like a boat, the Triple Camber will make the ski feel substantially skinnier when it comes to carving and the 112 underfoot will keep you floating in everything you come across.

Weight wise, the 184 clocks in at 8.38 lbs / 3.79 kg per pair, which is extremely close to the Atomic Bent Chetler 100 in the 188 length (~3680 kg per pair), so swing weight isn't an issue. It's light for it's class and it charges like it's got a few extra pounds on it after Thanksgiving dinner.

Carving performance is highly regarded for it's width due to the Triple Camber, most everyone at the factory skis the Deathwish every day of the season out here in Tahoe. Early season ice, late season slush, mid season 3 foot pow days, doesn't matter, they all grab the Deathwish.

But all of this aside, I'm still biased. Read up on this Blister Gear Review for more stoke:

https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/moment-deathwish

**This post was edited on Nov 26th 2018 at 11:29:44pm
Nov 26 2018 11:28PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Just buy some Hellbents to figure out if you can find a ski too fat and rockered for the midwest. If those suit you - enjoy, there aint nothin else out there looser.
Nov 27 2018 3:04AM
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milo-mcsenderson
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Haven’t thrown anything at my ON3P Kartel 108s that they can’t handle.
Also +1 for Hellbents, picked some up for $70 and you can carve em hard if you got da skillz
Nov 27 2018 8:46AM
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ButteredToast.
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hot.pocketTip and tail rocker will help with keep the ski from feeling like a boat, the Triple Camber will make the ski feel substantially skinnier when it comes to carving and the 112 underfoot will keep you floating in everything you come across.

Weight wise, the 184 clocks in at 8.38 lbs / 3.79 kg per pair, which is extremely close to the Atomic Bent Chetler 100 in the 188 length (~3680 kg per pair), so swing weight isn't an issue. It's light for it's class and it charges like it's got a few extra pounds on it after Thanksgiving dinner.

Carving performance is highly regarded for it's width due to the Triple Camber, most everyone at the factory skis the Deathwish every day of the season out here in Tahoe. Early season ice, late season slush, mid season 3 foot pow days, doesn't matter, they all grab the Deathwish.

But all of this aside, I'm still biased. Read up on this Blister Gear Review for more stoke:

https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/moment-deathwish

**This post was edited on Nov 26th 2018 at 11:29:44pm


I’m sold. I chatted with someone on Moments website and they recommended the Deathwish based on what I said right out of the gate. They corroborated everything you said too.

A 112 waist ski performing decently on really hard/icy conditions seems so counter intuitive but it sounds like it does great from the reviews I’ve seen. I think that might be the one
Nov 28 2018 7:17PM
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hot.pocket
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ButteredToast.I’m sold. I chatted with someone on Moments website and they recommended the Deathwish based on what I said right out of the gate. They corroborated everything you said too.

A 112 waist ski performing decently on really hard/icy conditions seems so counter intuitive but it sounds like it does great from the reviews I’ve seen. I think that might be the one


Glad to hear!
Nov 28 2018 8:10PM
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FapMasterFLEX
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I think you'll be really surprised how easy the deathwish is to ski on ice/groomers. I'm on the east, but ski a lot out west and have had Liberty Origin 116's and now the ARV 116's as my daily driver across the past few seasons. I'm a big guy(6'5" 230) and i've found that I overpower smaller skis quite easily and they always leave me wanting more. I get some crazy looks on the lift, but man I have had an amazing time skiing each. Let us know how it goes!
Nov 29 2018 2:01PM
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