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CLQThese skis arent very similar lol
Rum_HamThe kartels will be better everywhere except the park. If you go out west and only ski park why even go out west?
powpatrolMagnus 102?
old.man.tibblesjust get blades dude
VISHNUWe don't have any Wides left at the moment (they went fast) but I would highly recommend them, obviously. Keep your eyes peeled for a few different reviews coming out in the next couple months confirming the hype.
And to whoever said that they "suck skiing off piste" I would say that literally everyone who has ridden them would disagree. Don't take it from me though...if you see a team member/affiliate with them out on the hill and they have the same size boot as you feel free to pressure them to let you try them out. Tell them Emmett said it was okay.
Okay see ya
VISHNUWe don't have any Wides left at the moment (they went fast) but I would highly recommend them, obviously. Keep your eyes peeled for a few different reviews coming out in the next couple months confirming the hype.
And to whoever said that they "suck skiing off piste" I would say that literally everyone who has ridden them would disagree. Don't take it from me though...if you see a team member/affiliate with them out on the hill and they have the same size boot as you feel free to pressure them to let you try them out. Tell them Emmett said it was okay.
Okay see ya
SteezMcGeeAnybody got a discount code for ON3P's? I can't afford em with bindings at full price lol
LonelyCan't speak for wides, but i've heard a few complaints about the longevity/durability and flex of the wets as soon as they are outside of the park. I can't comment because i've never had the chance to ride.
That being said, it's a big claim to say that literally everyone who rides our skis off piste thinks they're great. If anything that makes me more inclined to be doubtful of any claims made.
This isn't intended to be a hateful rant towards you guys, and I respect the grind you have all put in the past few years, but whenever I hear vishnu, I always think revision. I hate to make the comparison, but it always seems to come to mind.
Low amount of skis are produced, but they're made in china. Marketing as a core rebellious ski company even though there isn't anything to set you apart besides some popular graphics and a lot of flex (again no hate intended, just an opinion from someone who buys skis). To my knowledge you haven't been around very long as a company, but still make claims like "maneuverability and durability you’ve come to expect from Vishnu".
When I look for skis this is my checklist, in order of importance.
Size/Shape: Vishnu scores well here
Flex Pattern: Seems oriented towards rails and urban
Durability: I've heard some people say that they are bombproof, and an equal part say that they aren't
Price: Not expensive, but not any cheaper than other companies like surface, 4frnt, jskis etc.
Companies Presence: To my knowledge, not huge, but not super "core and underground" either
Innovation: Besides softer flex... no crazy rocker profiles, shapes or other technology
Reviews: Couldn't find any outside of threads on NS
Where they're made: China, which is fine and all, but you've got to make up for that elsewhere
Topsheet: Completely personal opinion, but not my cup of tea.
Production: Not many skis are produced, but they're not made in house either. Guess I can't blame you cuz that's mighty pricey.
So in the end, why should I buy your skis? To me it has always just seemed like another company disguising the "buy them cuz no one else will have them" hypebeast/marketing mentality with "we're a small core company".
No hate intended though. I don't own or know what it's like to own a ski company. These are just the opinions of a consumer and a skier.
/rant
VISHNUWhen I said "everyone who has ridden them," I was referring to our team who rode them during research and development as not many customers have ridden the wides yet since it is November. Though the customer feedback I have gotten thus far has been positive, I should have specified.
I have written this kind of post many times in many threads, but I will give an abridged version:
Our original ski, the Wet, is notably cheaper than the park offerings of all of the companies you listed. Plus, in the summer they are $420 which is a pretty great deal. The Wide is priced about the same as it's competition because we need to make money to stay in business. Again, summer pricing is a hot deal.
As far as performance and the product backing up the "marketing," the vast majority of people that get our skis get at least a full year of park skiing out of them, if not multiple seasons. All skis break, but ours tend to less than others. And when they do, we do our best to work with customers and replace one or both skis in a timely fashion. We have so few complaints that we actually don't have a set warranty in place. We are able to deal with warranty issues on a case by case basis. For full disclosure, we have warrantied around 7 pairs of skis out of the roughly 600 pairs we have sold in the last five years. That's pretty good.
We work hard to provide excellent products at a very affordable price and we take great care of our customers, all out of a living room in Salt Lake. I think people get the impression that Vishnu is bigger than it is. I still run this out of my house. I drove for Uber in my spare time to make ends meet up until like August. I survive on selling clothing items that I buy from the thrift store and print our logos on. It doesn't get much more "core"/anti-corporate than that.
On top of that, we work as a cohesive unit to make a FREE team street video every single year (hundreds of hours of work) because we want to inspire the youth and continue the culture that shaped us as people and as a brand. We also occasionally hold events like movie premieres and rail jams to unite the local scene. Bottom line is, we care a lot, otherwise I wouldn't have typed this all up.
In closing, the Kartel is an excellent ski and so is the Wide. The Kartel is certainly more ski, but the Wide is insanely light and holds its own on a pow day for being a symmetrical park ski. You won't go wrong with either choice, that's for sure.
VISHNUWhen I said "everyone who has ridden them," I was referring to our team who rode them during research and development as not many customers have ridden the wides yet since it is November. Though the customer feedback I have gotten thus far has been positive, I should have specified.
In closing, the Kartel is an excellent ski and so is the Wide. The Kartel is certainly more ski, but the Wide is insanely light and holds its own on a pow day for being a symmetrical park ski. You won't go wrong with either choice, that's for sure.
LonelyCan't speak for wides, but i've heard a few complaints about the longevity/durability and flex of the wets as soon as they are outside of the park. I can't comment because i've never had the chance to ride.
That being said, it's a big claim to say that literally everyone who rides our skis off piste thinks they're great. If anything that makes me more inclined to be doubtful of any claims made.
This isn't intended to be a hateful rant towards you guys, and I respect the grind you have all put in the past few years, but whenever I hear vishnu, I always think revision. I hate to make the comparison, but it always seems to come to mind.
Low amount of skis are produced, but they're made in china. Marketing as a core rebellious ski company even though there isn't anything to set you apart besides some popular graphics and a lot of flex (again no hate intended, just an opinion from someone who buys skis). To my knowledge you haven't been around very long as a company, but still make claims like "maneuverability and durability you’ve come to expect from Vishnu".
When I look for skis this is my checklist, in order of importance.
Size/Shape: Vishnu scores well here
Flex Pattern: Seems oriented towards rails and urban
Durability: I've heard some people say that they are bombproof, and an equal part say that they aren't
Price: Not expensive, but not any cheaper than other companies like surface, 4frnt, jskis etc.
Companies Presence: To my knowledge, not huge, but not super "core and underground" either
Innovation: Besides softer flex... no crazy rocker profiles, shapes or other technology
Reviews: Couldn't find any outside of threads on NS
Where they're made: China, which is fine and all, but you've got to make up for that elsewhere
Topsheet: Completely personal opinion, but not my cup of tea.
Production: Not many skis are produced, but they're not made in house either. Guess I can't blame you cuz that's mighty pricey.
So in the end, why should I buy your skis? To me it has always just seemed like another company disguising the "buy them cuz no one else will have them" hypebeast/marketing mentality with "we're a small core company".
No hate intended though. I don't own or know what it's like to own a ski company. These are just the opinions of a consumer and a skier.
/rant
LonelyCan't speak for wides, but i've heard a few complaints about the longevity/durability and flex of the wets as soon as they are outside of the park. I can't comment because i've never had the chance to ride.
That being said, it's a big claim to say that literally everyone who rides our skis off piste thinks they're great. If anything that makes me more inclined to be doubtful of any claims made.
This isn't intended to be a hateful rant towards you guys, and I respect the grind you have all put in the past few years, but whenever I hear vishnu, I always think revision. I hate to make the comparison, but it always seems to come to mind.
Low amount of skis are produced, but they're made in china. Marketing as a core rebellious ski company even though there isn't anything to set you apart besides some popular graphics and a lot of flex (again no hate intended, just an opinion from someone who buys skis). To my knowledge you haven't been around very long as a company, but still make claims like "maneuverability and durability you’ve come to expect from Vishnu".
When I look for skis this is my checklist, in order of importance.
Size/Shape: Vishnu scores well here
Flex Pattern: Seems oriented towards rails and urban
Durability: I've heard some people say that they are bombproof, and an equal part say that they aren't
Price: Not expensive, but not any cheaper than other companies like surface, 4frnt, jskis etc.
Companies Presence: To my knowledge, not huge, but not super "core and underground" either
Innovation: Besides softer flex... no crazy rocker profiles, shapes or other technology
Reviews: Couldn't find any outside of threads on NS
Where they're made: China, which is fine and all, but you've got to make up for that elsewhere
Topsheet: Completely personal opinion, but not my cup of tea.
Production: Not many skis are produced, but they're not made in house either. Guess I can't blame you cuz that's mighty pricey.
So in the end, why should I buy your skis? To me it has always just seemed like another company disguising the "buy them cuz no one else will have them" hypebeast/marketing mentality with "we're a small core company".
No hate intended though. I don't own or know what it's like to own a ski company. These are just the opinions of a consumer and a skier.
/rant
VISHNUFor full disclosure, we have warrantied around 7 pairs of skis out of the roughly 600 pairs we have sold in the last five years. That's pretty good.
