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dmvhonkeyFrench foreign legion a good idea?
NZeskimobroNo No No No No don't do it. Join the military in your country srs bro.
You'd only survive there if you are a fucking hard cunt, and come from a 3rd world country making peanuts and raisins
People hate being a grunt in the regular mil let alone doing FFL shit which is way more hardcore than an 5 eyes mil
-eREKTion-It's not even hard cunts. The legion isn't an elite military force, capability wise they're probably on par with an American reserve unit. The legion is full of dumb fucks from shithole countries.
NZeskimobroI have met legionarres.
1. Legionarres far surpass American reserve units and its not even close. From individual skill to mental resilience of the average soldier. I have met American soldiers and let me tell you, the quality of US troops is low asf. They are typically sacks. Your country relies heavily on old school tactics. Numbers and technology.
2. How do you know its not hard? Have you served alongside them in Africa? Or worked for about 1000 euros a month with little freedoms?
3. I allready know you have no clue what you are talking about lel.
**This post was edited on Oct 4th 2018 at 1:51:59am
-eREKTion-You met a legionaire... cool. And just like every soldier in world history he made himself seem like the hardest pipe-swinger on the planet. This just isn't even an argument man, the legion has no equipment, no budget, and no discipline. And as much as you want to think that living on scraps makes you a strong and resilient warfighter it's just bullshit. Also, how the fuck do you figure that the US relies heavily on old school tactics, numbers, and technology. That's just demonstrably false on every point. The US spends more money equipping our soldiers than anyone else on earth and more importantly we spend more money and time training our soldiers than anyone else. I stick by my initial analogy that the Legions effectiveness closely resembles a US reserve unit which gets field training two days a month and a single two week FEX once a year.
-eREKTion-You met a legionaire... cool. And just like every soldier in world history he made himself seem like the hardest pipe-swinger on the planet. This just isn't even an argument man, the legion has no equipment, no budget, and no discipline. And as much as you want to think that living on scraps makes you a strong and resilient warfighter it's just bullshit. Also, how the fuck do you figure that the US relies heavily on old school tactics, numbers, and technology. That's just demonstrably false on every point. The US spends more money equipping our soldiers than anyone else on earth and more importantly we spend more money and time training our soldiers than anyone else. I stick by my initial analogy that the Legions effectiveness closely resembles a US reserve unit which gets field training two days a month and a single two week FEX once a year.
NZeskimobro1. You're not even enlisted and you're talking about things you haven't even seen. I've seen Americans assault on exercise with a fucking flag bearer lol.
2. As I said I've trained with you guys. Whenever you guys meet us and train with us, you guys know that you're average unit ain't even close to ours. You guys literally send forward observers to watch how we train.
But there is no use arguing with you because you're just a civvie lel. You literally have no clue about anything and you really aren't even in a position to talk about such a matter.
NZeskimobroDude a US reserve unit typically has zero combat experience, fuck all time training. Shit equipment and is full of sacks....
Whereas the legion has intense training, combat experience with the soldiering skills being far more on point.
-eREKTion-No, I'm not enlisted. I decided to pursue other things with my life after going to Officer Candidates School and leaving university with a minor in Military Science. I glad I didn't serve, I didn't truly want to be a soldier (let alone an officer) but I'm hardly illiterate when it comes to tactics and military organization. If you're an enlisted soldier it might even be fair to say that my four years studying Military Science give me a greater insight than you. I don't believe that an average NZ unit could come close to an average US unit in terms of mission effectiveness but that's a totally pointless argument. What I do know is that the US trains hard and that the training is constantly evolving.
-eREKTion-This is just fantasy land now...
-eREKTion-No, I'm not enlisted. I decided to pursue other things with my life after going to Officer Candidates School and leaving university with a minor in Military Science. I glad I didn't serve, I didn't truly want to be a soldier (let alone an officer) but I'm hardly illiterate when it comes to tactics and military organization. If you're an enlisted soldier it might even be fair to say that my four years studying Military Science give me a greater insight than you. I don't believe that an average NZ unit could come close to an average US unit in terms of mission effectiveness but that's a totally pointless argument. What I do know is that the US trains hard and that the training is constantly evolving.
NZeskimobroTactics and military organization has nothing to do with knowing the skill of soldiers and sops which only people on the ground would know
-eREKTion-I'm done with this, man. I'm assuming you're young and stoked to be a soldier in the NZ Army. Awesome, I'm glad you're loving it but being a grunt in a non-deploying military doesn't give you some deep insight into how armies work. I'm sure you know how a squad works because that's what you need to know.
Back to what OP wanted to know, is joining the legion a good idea? Fuck no, the legion has a higher desertion rate than any western service because it's a fucking terrible place to be. It's a cesspool of petty criminals and economic refugees who are paid a fraction of what other soldiers in the west make and made to live off of the scraps of the French Armed Forces. If you want to be a soldier there's much better places, places where you don't have to make do with hand-me-down equipment and ridiculously outmoded training. The Legion doesn't even get real deployments, they do non-offensive peacekeeping in Africa sometimes (France doesn't even maintain operational tempo to any theatre).
-eREKTion-I'm done with this, man. I'm assuming you're young and stoked to be a soldier in the NZ Army. Awesome, I'm glad you're loving it but being a grunt in a non-deploying military doesn't give you some deep insight into how armies work. I'm sure you know how a squad works because that's what you need to know.
Back to what OP wanted to know, is joining the legion a good idea? Fuck no, the legion has a higher desertion rate than any western service because it's a fucking terrible place to be. It's a cesspool of petty criminals and economic refugees who are paid a fraction of what other soldiers in the west make and made to live off of the scraps of the French Armed Forces. If you want to be a soldier there's much better places, places where you don't have to make do with hand-me-down equipment and ridiculously outmoded training. The Legion doesn't even get real deployments, they do non-offensive peacekeeping in Africa sometimes (France doesn't even maintain operational tempo to any theatre).
NZeskimobroYoung? No
Stoked to be here? I'm jaded
Non deploying? Lol
You have no clue, and literally ignore all the valid points I have made. As I said at the end of the day, you have no clue what it's like in the ground at all, you haven't met or trained with people from other armies.
As you said yourself you know how armies on a large scale work, I know the smaller stuff. Which includes soldiering skills, sops. The kit we use and everything like. Which is what we have been talking about.
I have seen Americans assault out of ifvs in massive files, straight out of ww1. And so much more. Let alone their reserve units which die after 1 week in the tropics.
Rparrbro we get it, you're clearly the hardest mfer who has ever lived.
eheethAight I'm just gonna chime in here because quite frankly you sound like a bit of a fuckwit. Your little patriotism act has completely taken over from logic.
Yes, it's true the FFL isn't an elite force - they're not meant to be. When you take people who literally can't speak French to start and tell them they may need to fight together, certain things take priority over turning them into SEALs, discipline being one of them. Quite frankly, if you think the Legion lacks discipline you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
"The legion is full of dumb fucks from shithole countries". Honestly, that's how everyone else sees the Marines, so maybe chill out with comments like that. Part of the reason it's full of these people is either because (a) they don't have a well-functioning military in their own country, (b) they have done things that their own militaries wouldn't accept them because of, and the FFL is a clean slate for everyone, or (c) they want an immediate escape, and most countries have a long enlistment process (for Australian infantry it can take up to 3 years to get a place in bootcamp) because they don't focus on having a large force of shitty paid grunts that do nothing all day, just like you, rather the opposite.
Arguing that they have no resources is pretty pointless too - we all get that your government pours multitudes more money into military spending than every other on the planet, and that you have gear that other people don't. You're the equivalent of the all-the-gear-no-idea skier in some scenarios. And when it comes to the level of training of the US forces, you can say you're much better trained than everyone else, and spend more time training, but that is literally just wrong.
Saying that you're more knowledgeable just because you went to Officer Candidate School just makes you sound like a prick, too. In Canberra we have ADFA, and RMC. If someone who had spend their time exclusively there told a grunt that they know more about the military than them, the only thing stopping them from being put in the ground is the fact they have a higher shoulder mark.
Desertion also isn't a measure of how terrible a military is - the only reason people don't desert first-world militaries is because prosecution would follow if they get caught. I know that many people who would walk off the job if they knew they could without any issues. In the case of the FFL, there is literally nothing they can do once you're off the barracks, and there's going to be nobody chasing you. If you leave, you leave.
One last quick fact check, http://army.mil.nz/about-us/what-we-do/deployments/current-deployments.htm . :)
dmvhonkeyI just want a fresh start with a new passport
