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Room in my quiver?

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yhprum1720
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What's up? I would appreciate some help figuring out my ski situation for this year. Trying to figure out if I should add a ski, sell a ski, or do nothing. Here's some background info about me

Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 170
Location: East Coast (Loon, Sunday River, Killington, etc. I will be all over New England with the ikon pass). Maybe if I'm lucky I'll get a few days out west
Skier type/style: Advanced, like to ski fast and make big carves, find myself spending less and less time in the park and more and more time looking for natural features and side hits I can boost off of. I don't spend much time skiing switch but I do appreciate being able to land switch

Current Skis:
176 Armada AR6 - full camber, 86 underfoot, fairly stiff for a park ski. This is my ski on 98% of days. I love everything about this ski, would only ask for a little more edge hold on ice (rails don't help) and would probably prefer a 181

188 Fischer Ranger 108 TI - I rarely pull this ski out. On the east coast I have never skied it in conditions that actually called for a 108 underfoot ski. I have skied it at Alta / Snowbird and really enjoyed it bombing soft groomers and blasting through crud. In a foot of fresh or in trees/moguls it felt a little hard to pivot. After getting it up to speed in pow it felt great making big turns. There has never been a day on the east coast that I regretted choosing the AR6 over the Ranger. There have been days where I felt limited by the lack of a twin tip and unnecessary width on the Ranger

Here are my questions:
1) Is there room in my quiver for a 100mm underfoot ski? Skis I'm considering include the 17/18 Wrenegade 98, 18/19 Kartel 96, and Moment PBJ.
2) Which of these skis will perform best on east coast ice? I love the idea of the K96 but the rocker profile worries me on the east
3) Would the Wren overlap too much with my Ranger? Should I sell the Ranger 108 and downsize my charger to a 98 underfoot? If anyone has experience on both, how do they compare?
4) Would the Kartel 96 or PBJ overlap too much with my AR6? Would there ever be a reason to pull out one over the other?


Really appreciate any input anyone has! Thanks guys

**This thread was edited on Sep 7th 2018 at 8:42:24pm
Sep 7 2018 7:05PM
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skiP.E.I.
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I'd say keep both your current skis. If I were in your position and had the cash I'd get the Kartel. If you find yourself not using the rangers after that, you can always sell them later.I don't think there'd be too terribly much crossover anyway. The Kartel might replace your Armadas on most days when you're out of the park. You might appreciate the slightly wider rangers when you get a pow day. You could also put touring bindings on them if your interested in that.
Sep 8 2018 1:04AM
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yhprum1720
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skiP.E.I.I'd say keep both your current skis. If I were in your position and had the cash I'd get the Kartel. If you find yourself not using the rangers after that, you can always sell them later.I don't think there'd be too terribly much crossover anyway. The Kartel might replace your Armadas on most days when you're out of the park. You might appreciate the slightly wider rangers when you get a pow day. You could also put touring bindings on them if your interested in that.


Have you skied the Kartel? How does it hold up when things get icy?



I see a lot of people recommending it, and I always hear great things, but my concern is that the people recommending the ski are from the west.
Sep 8 2018 11:40AM
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skiP.E.I.
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yhprum1720Have you skied the Kartel? How does it hold up when things get icy?



I see a lot of people recommending it, and I always hear great things, but my concern is that the people recommending the ski are from the west.


I haven't skiied it, it's just the one I would choose out of the three skis you mentioned based on what I know of those skis. I believe it's stiffer than the PBJ and more jibby than the Wrenegade. May consider the J Master Blaster too.
Sep 8 2018 12:02PM
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50Kal
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I was kind of in the same situation a few few years ago.
Had a pair of Ar7s and a pair of billy goats. The ar7 were the daily driver but was noticing the life leaving. Orderd a pair of Wrenegades. It was 2012-13 model in 181/102 waist. That is my daily driver for Colorado.
I would say the Wrenegade 96 in a 184 would be a perfect ski for a daily driver but it won’t have the ability to ski backwards as well as a true twin tip.
Maybe look at Kartel 98?
or Magnus 90 would be good addition to a quiver.
Sep 8 2018 2:06PM
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profa_212
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If you felt like you were being held back by the lack of twin on the ranger, I see no need to have wrenegades on that list. You will simply be in the same boat. IMO
Sep 8 2018 2:36PM
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yhprum1720
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Profahoben_212If you felt like you were being held back by the lack of twin on the ranger, I see no need to have wrenegades on that list. You will simply be in the same boat. IMO


The Wrenegade is on the list because I want a ski that can rail turns on groomers. I want something I can lay over on firm snow. While I would prefer a twin, I would be willing to overlook that for a ski that really shines on firm snow, and does alright on ice, especially if it would be complimenting my park ski
Sep 8 2018 5:13PM
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yhprum1720
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50KalI was kind of in the same situation a few few years ago.
Had a pair of Ar7s and a pair of billy goats. The ar7 were the daily driver but was noticing the life leaving. Orderd a pair of Wrenegades. It was 2012-13 model in 181/102 waist. That is my daily driver for Colorado.
I would say the Wrenegade 96 in a 184 would be a perfect ski for a daily driver but it won’t have the ability to ski backwards as well as a true twin tip.
Maybe look at Kartel 98?
or Magnus 90 would be good addition to a quiver.


Do you ever feel like you would want less ski than the Wren? Does it demand to be pushed at all times?
Sep 8 2018 6:25PM
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50Kal
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yhprum1720Do you ever feel like you would want less ski than the Wren? Does it demand to be pushed at all times?


So it definitely is more demanding compared to the ar7s. The ar7 were much more forgiving because there park skis.
But to say they demand to be pushed is little much. It didn’t have the forgiveness I was used but I got used to it.
Do keep in mind my Wrenegade 12-13 was made specifically softer that season due to them trying new things and l feel it’s perfect for me.
I believe this years Wrenegade was beefed up again. If you asked the on3p guys they will give there opinion.

Seeing how your curious if a ski might be to much I would say consider Magnus or Kartel. Both come sub 100 and full twin tip.
Sep 8 2018 8:50PM
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yhprum1720
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50KalSo it definitely is more demanding compared to the ar7s. The ar7 were much more forgiving because there park skis.
But to say they demand to be pushed is little much. It didn’t have the forgiveness I was used but I got used to it.
Do keep in mind my Wrenegade 12-13 was made specifically softer that season due to them trying new things and l feel it’s perfect for me.
I believe this years Wrenegade was beefed up again. If you asked the on3p guys they will give there opinion.

Seeing how your curious if a ski might be to much I would say consider Magnus or Kartel. Both come sub 100 and full twin tip.


Thanks for the help man.

Just not sure that there's any need to add another jib ski to my quiver if I already have the AR6. I would love to say that the Kartel fills a hole in my quiver, but I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure the Magnus would be too much overlap with my park skis
Sep 8 2018 9:02PM
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yhprum1720
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Also if anybody has any experience on both the Fischer Ranger and the Wrenegade and could make any comparisons that would be awesome.

Same goes for Kartel vs PBJ.

Thanks!
Sep 9 2018 6:31PM
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Rum_Ham
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Love my pb&js. Plenty stiff for crub busting and great edgehold relative to the rocker profile. I have a similar style to you, side hits and big carves and they fit it perfectly.
Sep 12 2018 3:14PM
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SKRockies
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yhprum1720Have you skied the Kartel? How does it hold up when things get icy?



I see a lot of people recommending it, and I always hear great things, but my concern is that the people recommending the ski are from the west.

I have had the kartel 98 in a 184 for a year now, i am from the west-ish (Alberta, Canada) but the hill i put roughly 70 days on a season is man made and no more than 400 feet elevation in a city so i know what real ice is like trust me. Kartels held up better than my line masterminds even with the rocker they have, they charge hard and hold well, by far my favorite ski, happy to take it to the mountains any day that we didnt get 10+cm fresh and any other day for ripping all mountain and park
Sep 12 2018 3:26PM
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yhprum1720
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SKRockiesI have had the kartel 98 in a 184 for a year now, i am from the west-ish (Alberta, Canada) but the hill i put roughly 70 days on a season is man made and no more than 400 feet elevation in a city so i know what real ice is like trust me. Kartels held up better than my line masterminds even with the rocker they have, they charge hard and hold well, by far my favorite ski, happy to take it to the mountains any day that we didnt get 10+cm fresh and any other day for ripping all mountain and park


Awesome, thanks for the input.
Sep 12 2018 5:33PM
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yhprum1720
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Rum_HamLove my pb&js. Plenty stiff for crub busting and great edgehold relative to the rocker profile. I have a similar style to you, side hits and big carves and they fit it perfectly.


Where do you ski? Is the PBJ your primary ski?
Sep 12 2018 9:07PM
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Rum_Ham
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yhprum1720Where do you ski? Is the PBJ your primary ski?


Colorado mainly. Daily driver for when there is now fresh snow then Bibbys when there’s more than 6 inches. The pb&js have done great on the surprise pow days too though.
Sep 13 2018 12:57AM
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