Moment Skis Discussion Thread

vermontanaI think DW104 would be better for this with their edge hold - I have WC101s and I love them but they're really like big park skis more than low tide all mtn skis. They're super fun and playful for moguls and side hits but get a bit squirrely pushing into them on icy groomers.

PartyBullshiitHave you been on a full rocker ski? The gt is close but still has the triple camber.



if you’re looking for more of the same feeling as the 101 then I’d say go wc108. Going to feel very similar just a -6 instead of 5. Gaining some float as well. But the overall skiing characteristics is similar to the 101.

if you want more variety and a more playful ski I’d say go meridian for the full rocker. Like i said for me personally I find the meridian a lot more fun overall. If I already had a 101 I’d 100% go meridian.

I had the 108 prior to purchasing the meridian so that was just being added to the quiver. But I also don’t have the 101. If I had to sell one of the two I’d be selling the 108.

ThaLoraxPretty sure my 2013 GTs are full rocker. I'll double check when I get home from work

And its hard to imagine a ski being *more* playful than the Wildcat

I may end up just getting the Dynastar M Free 108 because I can get it extremely cheap through work, even though I'd prefer a Moment ski by far

PartyBullshiitGhost trains are rocker with triple camber. Meridians full rocker only. Meridians are a good bit more playful than wildcats. The rocker just makes them pivot non stop.

hot.pocketOld old Ghost Trains didn't have triple camber.

PartyBullshiitahhh ok. Didn’t know that was a design tweak for the new release only.

cydwhitLongtime answerer of the "Deathwish vs. Wildcat" question, first time caller:

Looking for a mostly-powder-some-some variable conditions ski for Baker backcountry. Gonna mount with a 50/50 binding, use it to walk around and jump off shit. Should I stick to my tried-and-true love, the Wildcat Tour, or get weird with the OG? I don't ski that fast anymore. I'm scared of my wonky knee, but something about that OG is speaking to me...

cydwhitLongtime answerer of the "Deathwish vs. Wildcat" question, first time caller:

Looking for a mostly-powder-some-some variable conditions ski for Baker backcountry. Gonna mount with a 50/50 binding, use it to walk around and jump off shit. Should I stick to my tried-and-true love, the Wildcat Tour, or get weird with the OG? I don't ski that fast anymore. I'm scared of my wonky knee, but something about that OG is speaking to me...

cydwhitLongtime answerer of the "Deathwish vs. Wildcat" question, first time caller:

Looking for a mostly-powder-some-some variable conditions ski for Baker backcountry. Gonna mount with a 50/50 binding, use it to walk around and jump off shit. Should I stick to my tried-and-true love, the Wildcat Tour, or get weird with the OG? I don't ski that fast anymore. I'm scared of my wonky knee, but something about that OG is speaking to me...

No-Skill-PhilJust to fan the big ski stoke, picked up these battleships a couple months ago!

Keen as to try some reverse-reverse action!

cydwhitHelllll yeah!

I ended up skiing my Ghost Trains again this weekend and remembering how much I love them. As sick as the OG looks, I can't really justify having more than one silly powder ski in the garage haha.

Dlonettifrankenblades?? no way haha i’ve never wanted blades but these might be the only ones

elindeHey guys, planning on mounting a cast system on my new Countach 104s, but I’m stressing about mount point. I’ve been on Wildcat 101/PB&Js at either 2 or 2.5 back from center for many years, and looking at my boot centered at 2 forward from rec line on the Countach and it looks soooo far back.

I know it would be stupid to push the mount too far up on what is very much a directional ski, but I do plan on taking these things into the park fairly often and landing switch.

Should I stick with 2cm forward of rec or push it further up?

Thanks for the help!

PartyBullshiitMoment says stick with rec for a reason. But at most I’d go +2 on that ski.

jhnegbrtdo you even have that ski?

PartyBullshiitI have the Countach 110. I know that Tyler from moment use to ski the CT in front of Rec and moved back to rec because the ski performs better there. I’ve been told the same about the 104. Check out fasas video on why moment says stay with rec.

jhnegbrt@elinde I think @PartyBullshiit is referring to a specific countach video -- I tried to find it to link, but I couldn't. If you find the video, I think what you might gather is that trying to move the mount further and further forward to chase similarity with your wc101 might bite you in the ass because you are going to change the way the back of the ski performs

Ultimately though, its really up to you to decide what you want out of the ski and to mount based on that. This whole "moment recommend recommended for a reason" really deprives the conversation of any nuance. For the majority of skiers somewhere near rec will be best. But, its up to you to figure out if you actually want the same things that most skiers want (or if you care about the issues that moving the mount forward presents). FWIW I know a bunch of people on WC101's at true center or +1 from center and they wouldn't have it any other way. Granted, the countach may be a bit of a different beast because its more directional (hence the value of watching that video)

To speak to your experience directly, going from a near center mounted ski to a directional ski is visually jarring for anyone. So, just because it looks weird right now doesn't mean the ski wont be perfect for you there. But, just know that this ski is different from your wc101 and the visual difference is an indication of that.

elindeThank you all for the replies. I’m aware of what Moment says about the ski, and I’m aware of the type of ski I bought. Fact is I just wanted a change up from years on the WC101 and PB&J before that, and I’ll still definitely be using these things in the park.

Going with 2cm in front of rec, will report back if it’s a disaster

PartyBullshiit+2 wont be a disaster. That’s the reason moment adds marks for -/+2 on their skis. It just won’t be ideal for the performance of that ski.

elindeHey guys, planning on mounting a cast system on my new Countach 104s, but I’m stressing about mount point. I’ve been on Wildcat 101/PB&Js at either 2 or 2.5 back from center for many years, and looking at my boot centered at 2 forward from rec line on the Countach and it looks soooo far back.

I know it would be stupid to push the mount too far up on what is very much a directional ski, but I do plan on taking these things into the park fairly often and landing switch.

Should I stick with 2cm forward of rec or push it further up?

Thanks for the help!

tcurleIf you're used to a more centered Wildcat 101, +2 on the 104 will be the move.

I'm not riding mine in the park and went rec, for people in the park, +2 has been most common.

While it sounds counterintuitive, staying close to that sidecut center makes for more stable switch runouts, and less deflection on the tips when reverting or holding a carve on directional skis in the park in my opinion.

You can lean a bit more into the skis rather than worrying about maintaining your centered balance.

I think you'll lose the pop and carvy playfulness at +3 or more.

Dlonettiif im gonna daily drive those wildcat 101s in the park can i do em at center? or should i go a lil back

tcurleI'd say slightly back from experience, I'm also not lapping a rope tow.

tcurleIf you're used to a more centered Wildcat 101, +2 on the 104 will be the move.

I'm not riding mine in the park and went rec, for people in the park, +2 has been most common.

While it sounds counterintuitive, staying close to that sidecut center makes for more stable switch runouts, and less deflection on the tips when reverting or holding a carve on directional skis in the park in my opinion.

You can lean a bit more into the skis rather than worrying about maintaining your centered balance.

I think you'll lose the pop and carvy playfulness at +3 or more.

BallClapperOk, considering the dark side. What similar to sf110. Something that can be skied lazy and butter around but also haul in shitty snow. I like the damp flex of 110 for the suspension and snow muting it offers though a little more camber could be fun. A bunch of old rich dudes selling moment for cheap local. (110 went kaput)

Dlonettievery time i get the skis in person they look even better than they do on the website

colerichardmyersI feel like most feedback I've seen on the Frankenski is something along the lines of it being stiff compared to other park skis, but soft compared other Moment skis.

I've come across a few videos of people doing some crazy things on the DWs in the terrain park. Anyone out there venturing in the park with the DW or DW 104? You just mounting a rec?

No-Skill-PhilI think I even know the edit you’re talking about. Good flick.

colerichardmyersCole Isfan is the main one that comes to mind. Hard to tell if he is mounted a rec vs a +1 or +2.

SweetishFishim guessing this question has been asked alot on this thread but how do the franks ski? they claim that they are a soft jibby ski but they are also pretty heavy and I have heard people say they are stiff for park skis so I am a little skepticle of their softness.

PartyBullshiit@hot.pocket does the poplar/pine vs beech make the siren easier to flex into for a lighter skier? With all the other specs being equal other than a slightly lighter weight with the siren is there any other differences in the ski experience?

shin-bangReally wishing i would have gotten on these sooner. love love love these skis, even at rec. poppy, chargy, fun. always found myself more on the wildcat 108 than the jeffrey 108 so had to get the big brother. these things rip. super stoked.