Moment Skis Discussion Thread

vermontana

Droppin by with my 2024 moment quiver, hyped for another season on these awesome sticks

PartyBullshiitFor one ski to do it all over your trip the deathwish all day everyday. It’s going to perform better across a huge range of conditions that you’ll likely encounter at different resorts. Countach while good doesn’t perform well across as many conditions as the DW.

afjaomThanks for that. I’m pretty set on the DW now. Now for the size dilemma. 184 or 190 for someone 6’00” 170-180ish. 🤔

afjaomThanks for that. I’m pretty set on the DW now. Now for the size dilemma. 184 or 190 for someone 6’00” 170-180ish. 🤔

swegman2Woodsman tours look nice too :)

afjaomThanks for that. I’m pretty set on the DW now. Now for the size dilemma. 184 or 190 for someone 6’00” 170-180ish. 🤔

PartyBullshiitReally it comes down to what you’re planning on using them for. I use mine in trees and tighter areas so i went with the 184 for maneuverability. I’m 6’0 185lbs.

if you plan on more open spaces I’d go 190. If you want to use it in tighter places go 184

afjaomThanks for that. I’m pretty set on the DW now. Now for the size dilemma. 184 or 190 for someone 6’00” 170-180ish. 🤔

afjaomWelp you guys made some convincing arguments for the 190, but I took a chance on the 184 thinking it would suit me better as a daily driver. Hope that was the right choice. Either way I’m psyched to finally own some moments. Awesome experience with the people over there.

sdramLooking for some advice... I'm 5'11" 150lbs and thinking about the wildcat 108s. I want something that I can really feel confident charging on... would you recommend 184 at +2 from rec or 179? I currently ride vishnu wet+ at 183 in the park and prodigy 2.0s at 177 as a daily driver.

PartyBullshiitIf you’re looking for more charge 184. I have the 108 in a 179 but I wanted a more agile feel in tight spots. Mounted at the recommended line. All my moments are mounted at the rec line. They’ve never steered me wrong with the mount.

sdramOkay thanks. I'm a little bit nervous that the 184s will be too much ski for me... But I am looking and wanting to charge harder. Should I just pull the trigger on the 184s or will the 179 give me enough of what I need to feel confident to ski bigger? ... Sorry for all the questions, so conflicted... Fwiw, my 177 Prodigy 2.0s feel super comfy to maneuver and get jibby, but not comfy to go fast through chop or landing drops.

sdramOkay thanks. I'm a little bit nervous that the 184s will be too much ski for me... But I am looking and wanting to charge harder. Should I just pull the trigger on the 184s or will the 179 give me enough of what I need to feel confident to ski bigger? ... Sorry for all the questions, so conflicted... Fwiw, my 177 Prodigy 2.0s feel super comfy to maneuver and get jibby, but not comfy to go fast through chop or landing drops.

Non_State_ActorThe Moments will measure true to indicated length, the factions likely measure short so the actual difference may be closer to 4cm instead of 2.

sdramOkay thanks. I'm a little bit nervous that the 184s will be too much ski for me... But I am looking and wanting to charge harder. Should I just pull the trigger on the 184s or will the 179 give me enough of what I need to feel confident to ski bigger? ... Sorry for all the questions, so conflicted... Fwiw, my 177 Prodigy 2.0s feel super comfy to maneuver and get jibby, but not comfy to go fast through chop or landing drops.

sdramOkay thanks. I'm a little bit nervous that the 184s will be too much ski for me... But I am looking and wanting to charge harder. Should I just pull the trigger on the 184s or will the 179 give me enough of what I need to feel confident to ski bigger? ... Sorry for all the questions, so conflicted... Fwiw, my 177 Prodigy 2.0s feel super comfy to maneuver and get jibby, but not comfy to go fast through chop or landing drops.

Non_State_ActorThe Moments will measure true to indicated length, the factions likely measure short so the actual difference may be closer to 4cm instead of 2.

-eREKTion-Not exactly, Moment measures material length and they’re always ~1.5cm shorter once pressed. I could be totally wrong on this but my Bibby’s are like 183-ish and Deathwish 188-ish.

PartyBullshiit@hot.pocket is the demo fleet up and running? Countach 182 available?

hot.pocketThere are two common ways to 'measure' skis, material length (most companies) and straight tape pull (ON3P and a few others I can't think of).

Material length is the length of the base material prior to pressing the skis, while straight tape pull is measuring from the tip to the tail after production, without following the curvature of the ski. Picture attached. If you straight tape pull a Moment ski, it will come out to 1.5-2cm shorter than the material length.


Shooting for end of the month, Countach will be on the fleet.

officechairIs there a comparison ski that is similar to the new Commander? Trying to get an idea of what class it’s in.

PartyBullshiitCommanders are metal layered flat tail skis. So they’re going to carv like a beast and and scream down the hill.

atomic vantage ti 97 is a similar style ski. Sub par though.

officechairI saw some 98 on gear west for $600. The profile is a lot different on the old model and looks a bit more all-mountain than the new one. So I’m worried the new one might be a bit too groomer oriented for what I’m looking for.

PartyBullshiitI have the 98. And I’ve handled the 92 in person the profiles are not different. Just slightly more narrow now waist wise.

Personally I don’t like my 98 as an “all mountain”

hot.pocketThe 98 > 92 revision came with a lot more than just the slimming of the waist.

The sidecut was shortened, there's now three separate radii in the 92 vs two in the 98, the tip rocker was reduced by quite a bit, the tail contact point was shifted inward a bit to allow for easier breaking out of turns, and the stiffness was dialed up.

VVIISSHHNNUUi found some moment reno rockers for 200 local around me, only skis i have rn are wets nd i was looking to get another ski to fuck around with all mountain. would they be worth?

joogOn wildcats da 108s for like the 4th season in a row and they're about to die, living at Alta for the season, gonna get a fresh pair what would be the reasons for going countach? The Wildcat is the greatest ski ever made, but wouldn't mind switching it up

VVIISSHHNNUUi found some moment reno rockers for 200 local around me, only skis i have rn are wets nd i was looking to get another ski to fuck around with all mountain. would they be worth?

BackWoods420What color Pivot 15s look best on Wildcat 108s?

WittyCongwhat year? What condition are the skis in? I wouldn't go putting my faith in a ski that's pushing 14 years old. Definitely not for $200

VVIISSHHNNUU‘08, seller says virtually no wear so conditions probably 9-10/10, just asked for pics rn of anything

WittyCongI mean i guess if the condition is really 9/10 then go for it. I'd still ask for a few bucks off considering it's 16 years old

VVIISSHHNNUUdo you know much about the ski? i was just planning on going nd feelin em out but if you had any input on them thatd be nice. wasnt much on them recently so idk how theyd compare to current gen of skis

VVIISSHHNNUUdo you know much about the ski? i was just planning on going nd feelin em out but if you had any input on them thatd be nice. wasnt much on them recently so idk how theyd compare to current gen of skis

hot.pocketHere's our quick comparison, let me know if you have any further questions:

The Wildcat 108 with its more progressive (forward) mount, deeper rocker lines, and twin tips is quicker to pivot, faster to slash, and more playful. The Countach 110 being more directional, with more rearward mount and flatter tail is more planted and locked in. The Countach can be driven harder, is more composed at speed, and engages faster. With its European Beech/Poplar core it is damper, more substantial, and stiffer which allows it to be more composed and supportive. The Wildcat 108 which uses an Ash/Poplar core is more snappy and supple making it more playful and nimble.

For those looking for a more directional platform that is more supportive, planted and can be charged harder look at the Countach 110. For those looking for a more playful and agile ski that requires less input and can even run through the park look at the Wildcat 108.


Pics and I'll let you know if it's worth it. Reno Rocker was definitely more of a park oriented ski than an all mountain ski.


Raw or Sender.

VVIISSHHNNUUdo you know much about the ski? i was just planning on going nd feelin em out but if you had any input on them thatd be nice. wasnt much on them recently so idk how theyd compare to current gen of skis

hot.pocketHere's our quick comparison, let me know if you have any further questions:

The Wildcat 108 with its more progressive (forward) mount, deeper rocker lines, and twin tips is quicker to pivot, faster to slash, and more playful. The Countach 110 being more directional, with more rearward mount and flatter tail is more planted and locked in. The Countach can be driven harder, is more composed at speed, and engages faster. With its European Beech/Poplar core it is damper, more substantial, and stiffer which allows it to be more composed and supportive. The Wildcat 108 which uses an Ash/Poplar core is more snappy and supple making it more playful and nimble.

For those looking for a more directional platform that is more supportive, planted and can be charged harder look at the Countach 110. For those looking for a more playful and agile ski that requires less input and can even run through the park look at the Wildcat 108.


Pics and I'll let you know if it's worth it. Reno Rocker was definitely more of a park oriented ski than an all mountain ski.


Raw or Sender.

joogThis confirms all my suspicions. Ride the wildcats at -2 from center, any alt mount points for the countach that the shop likes?

hot.pocket-2 from center is way farther forward than any shop employee rides the Wildcat at, most ski +2 from rec, or -3 from center on the 101 / -4 from center on the 108 / fatcat.

Even the shop employees that bump mounts forward on all their other skis are skiing the Countach at the rec line. Gets a little twitchy mounted forward from rec.

PartyBullshiitGhost train kind of day today.

vermontanaHow do the 194s feel compared to your other long Moments? (maneuverability-wise) Really want to pick some up next year as I don't have a resort fatty in the lineup but guessing the fatcat makes more sense for more of my ski days in CO