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"are you sure you want your dins at 10"
"are you sure you want me to center mount these"
"these skis are beat to shit, are you sure you want me to mount them"
BigPurpleSkiSuitOnce my gotamas are basically done for I am slightly tempted to mount them backwards for meme factor and challenging people to race me if they think they know better
**This post was edited on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:19:10pm
way back when Line had the Skogen skis with the train on them, a friend had a shop mount them and they did them backwards. it was too funny.
“It seems your ski is missing some edge, those skis are no longer safe ride, luckily we have a wide inventory of skis here for you to replace those with”
Knewnewsway back when Line had the Skogen skis with the train on them, a friend had a shop mount them and they did them backwards. it was too funny.
had my revision subtractions mounted backwards so I returned to the shop with my brother who knows how to mount skis. The shop still couldn't figure it out after standing around for a bit and so my brother measured the lengths and such himself to find the front of the ski right in front of them but they still couldn't seem to understand which way the ski faced. We just took the ski home bought our own mounting tools and did it ourselves.
LonelyHad a boot fitter get all offended when I said my foot size was 11.5 but I preferred to wear larger boots.
He goes on about how I dont know what I'm talking about and that I need smaller boots to have more power to my bindings.
I try them on, say they are uncomfortable and too small. He says thats a good thing and that hes been a boot fitter for a few years so he knows his shit and I dont.
Fast forward to my toes getting bruised to the point that my toenails fall off every season since due to my feet being crammed into these boots.
I get thay you should trust professionals but I hate it when ski shop people are too enamored with themselves to listen to their customers needs.
How bout ya get out of the backseat ya fook!
But really. Maybe you're right, but I'll agree what others have said. Get out of the backseat. Maybe some booster straps will help.
In my experience, I moved from a boot too big where I never had toe bang problems to a boot appropriately sized for my foot. The first day out early December, I royally fucked my toe. It was all black and blue and I ended up having to drain blood from the nail. After learning that I still can't ski for shit, I got myself out of the backseat and no problems since regardless of how aggressive I ski. My nail has just finally healed, 7 months later, after falling off and having to regrow itself.
Not to judge, but seeing as you listed your boot size as 11.5 versus Mondopoint doesn't help your case that you know better.
IsitWinterYet17How bout ya get out of the backseat ya fook!
But really. Maybe you're right, but I'll agree what others have said. Get out of the backseat. Maybe some booster straps will help.
In my experience, I moved from a boot too big where I never had toe bang problems to a boot appropriately sized for my foot. The first day out early December, I royally fucked my toe. It was all black and blue and I ended up having to drain blood from the nail. After learning that I still can't ski for shit, I got myself out of the backseat and no problems since regardless of how aggressive I ski. My nail has just finally healed, 7 months later, after falling off and having to regrow itself.
Not to judge, but seeing as you listed your boot size as 11.5 versus Mondopoint doesn't help your case that you know better.
If you read the thread you would have already had an answer to this. Ive been skiing for a while. Previous pairs of boots didnt give me an issue. My current pair doesnt give me issues. Only that pair fucked up my feet.
Said the shoe size because im too lazy to look up the mondo.
Seeing that your a skier from Mt Ohio and have only been on here since last year doesnt really help your case.
I also never said I knew better. I told him they were uncomfortable and he told me I didnt know what I was talking about. If I thought I knew more than him I wouldnt have bought the boots. **This post was edited on Jul 21st 2018 at 6:21:38pm
**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2018 at 6:23:18pm
LonelyIf you read the thread you would have already had an answer to this. Ive been skiing for a while. Previous pairs of boots didnt give me an issue. My current pair doesnt give me issues. Only that pair fucked up my feet.
Said the shoe size because im too lazy to look up the mondo.
Seeing that your a skier from Ohio and have only been on here since last year doesnt really help your case.
Dude you're from Mt Bohemia Michigan. If you were from out west or even New England I'd tip my hat, but please lol. I don't ever ski in Ohio (1000% not worth it) .
IsitWinterYet17Dude you're from Mt Bohemia Michigan. If you were from out west or even New England I'd tip my hat, but please lol. I don't ever ski in Ohio (1000% not worth it) .
Check corrections. Obviously if you ski jay peak your not from Ohio?
IsitWinterYet17Dude you're from Mt Bohemia Michigan. If you were from out west or even New England I'd tip my hat, but please lol. I don't ever ski in Ohio (1000% not worth it) .
I didn't realize jay had cat skiing. Get out of my face and do some research. You aren't special for skiing blues at jay.
**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2018 at 6:31:00pm
I'm not really following, but if you're trying to do a claim thread, you're not claiming much. Good for you that you live in BFE Michigan with 900 vertical. Holy cow cat skiing! I'm so jelly. Chill dude.
As far as me, I am unfortunately stuck in the center of Ohio for my job currently and don't have the luxury of skiing everyday, but that doesn't stop me from traveling on my off days and skiing actual mountains. This year I've been to A Basin, Winter Park, Loveland, Powder mountain, Snowbird, Solitude, Alta, Jay Peak, Mad River Glen, Smugglers Notch to name a few places, not including the smaller ones in NY and WV I've went to as well. Don't assume just because I live in Ohio, that I ski there. If you're not skiing park, you're not skiing in Ohio.
IsitWinterYet17I'm not really following, but if you're trying to do a claim thread, you're not claiming much. Good for you that you live in BFE Michigan with 900 vertical. Holy cow cat skiing! I'm so jelly. Chill dude.
As far as me, I am unfortunately stuck in the center of Ohio for my job currently and don't have the luxury of skiing everyday, but that doesn't stop me from traveling on my off days and skiing actual mountains. This year I've been to A Basin, Winter Park, Loveland, Powder mountain, Snowbird, Solitude, Alta, Jay Peak, Mad River Glen, Smugglers Notch to name a few places, not including the smaller ones in NY and WV I've went to as well. Don't assume just because I live in Ohio, that I ski there. If you're not skiing park, you're not skiing in Ohio.
I'll respond in a few parts to this.
1. Making a claim thread? I'm making a claim post since your justification for Boho being trash is that its in Michigan. A Midwest Mountain having cat skiing IS a huge claim. I don't like it when someone talks shit about a place they have never been to. Espicailly a mountain like Boho.
2. No response to the original issue of the boots besides saying where I ski and how I ski is bad? Did you read any of the thread before this or did you just want to get in an argument.
3. Never said you skied or even lived in Ohio? Said it seemed like you didn't if Jay was "basically" your home mountain?
4. What are you trying to prove by saying you traveled to those places. I wager a lot of people on here have been there as well. Myself included. You just sound like a pretentious cock.
5. What are you trying prove? That you're better than me you skied those places? That you are an expert bootfitter and can solve my issue from reading one post on a ski forum?
I was able to have a perfectly normal conversation about this with other in this thread.
Tbh I don't know why I'm responding to you. I've got nothing to prove and you're gonna keep being a walnut.
'I'm not allowed to mount with boot that old and worn out.'
Any talk about how a ski in the 180s is long or that something in the 170s which isn't a slalom comp ski is still long enough for a 6-5 200 pound dude. No its not ya cocksuckers.
Anybody think that the midwest needs its own dedicated thread so they can stop arguing about who's trash heap has 20ft more vert and who shreds gnarlier blues?
I took a pretty nice chunk out of my top sheet and brought it to the shop to get filled that afternoon. They said they were slammed and that it would take a few days but they have it done by a certain date that i cant remember anymore. I was ok with that because it was mid winter and shops for sure get slammed sometimes but they never called me to tell me it was finished or anything like that. I called them on the day they said it would be finished and they pretty much admitted that they'd completely forgotten about it and that it would be ready first thing in morning the next day.
I rolled into the shop the next day and asked for the ski and they still hadn't touched it so the boss got flustered and told me to come back in a half hour or something (took them that long to do something that took half an hour!?). I finally got it back later that day and the fix held up fine but it really didn't look like they'd put much craftsmanship into it and i easily could've done it myself. On top of that they offered me no discounts for the delayed service.
Shit ski shop employees say:
"itll be ready by x date and x time"
"sorry dude we haven't actually gotten around to fixing your ski yet, we'll get riiiight on that though."
This post has got me worried, I've been riding a pair of Sin 7's for the last 3 or 4 years when I'm not on twintips, have y'all been judging me silently that whole time?
Also do you guys not have good local stores? I live in Australia and my local stores are killer, they do my edges precisely how I want them, hook me up with free waxes and usually just love having me come in since I'm not a total gaper. Usually we end up just shooting the shit and hanging out. They also hook up homie discounts. Like damn go to a different shop till you find a good one.
SchlossAdlerThis post has got me worried, I've been riding a pair of Sin 7's for the last 3 or 4 years when I'm not on twintips, have y'all been judging me silently that whole time?
Also do you guys not have good local stores? I live in Australia and my local stores are killer, they do my edges precisely how I want them, hook me up with free waxes and usually just love having me come in since I'm not a total gaper. Usually we end up just shooting the shit and hanging out. They also hook up homie discounts. Like damn go to a different shop till you find a good one.
I don't judge anyone until I see them ski, however if I see a person on soul 7s or something similar, I will usually watch them ski away from the lift just to confirm my suspicions.
SchlossAdlerThis post has got me worried, I've been riding a pair of Sin 7's for the last 3 or 4 years when I'm not on twintips, have y'all been judging me silently that whole time?
Also do you guys not have good local stores? I live in Australia and my local stores are killer, they do my edges precisely how I want them, hook me up with free waxes and usually just love having me come in since I'm not a total gaper. Usually we end up just shooting the shit and hanging out. They also hook up homie discounts. Like damn go to a different shop till you find a good one.
my non park skis are the rossi sky 7's. I feel like a dweeb when I have them on, but fuck I love that ski.
Shop employee, I'll add my two cents on a couple topics here.
Din: I'll set your DIN wherever you want but you have to sign a release. Yeah, if you look like a gaper I'm going to question why you need a 10+ DIN because you're probably a retard.
Janky ass boots: I'm not going to fuck with your gear if your boot soles look like they got brutalized by a belt-sander. I've got indemnification releases for shitty bindings but not shitty boots.
Shitty bindings: If your bindings are no longer indemnified I'll probably just have you sign a release but if your bindings literally creak and grind when I start adjusting, I'm not fucking with them no matter how many releases you sign.
Mount Point: Most people don't know where they want their bindings mounted so I ask a few questions and slam em on the rec line. A surprising number of people come in and request center mounts; on park skis I just go for it but on anything else I ask a few questions. It's not a matter of me thinking I know more than you it's just that after you here 15 retards ask for center mounted Soul 7's you begin to question everyone's mental well-being.
From center mounted Soul 7's to people asking if it's worth getting "parabolic" skis, shop employees hear more dumb shit than you can possibly imagine. And lastly, NO, you cannot borrow some tools to "just do it yourself". Go fuck yourself, Jerry.
-eREKTion-Shop employee, I'll add my two cents on a couple topics here.
Din: I'll set your DIN wherever you want but you have to sign a release. Yeah, if you look like a gaper I'm going to question why you need a 10+ DIN because you're probably a retard.
Janky ass boots: I'm not going to fuck with your gear if your boot soles look like they got brutalized by a belt-sander. I've got indemnification releases for shitty bindings but not shitty boots.
Shitty bindings: If your bindings are no longer indemnified I'll probably just have you sign a release but if your bindings literally creak and grind when I start adjusting, I'm not fucking with them no matter how many releases you sign.
Mount Point: Most people don't know where they want their bindings mounted so I ask a few questions and slam em on the rec line. A surprising number of people come in and request center mounts; on park skis I just go for it but on anything else I ask a few questions. It's not a matter of me thinking I know more than you it's just that after you here 15 retards ask for center mounted Soul 7's you begin to question everyone's mental well-being.
From center mounted Soul 7's to people asking if it's worth getting "parabolic" skis, shop employees hear more dumb shit than you can possibly imagine. And lastly, NO, you cannot borrow some tools to "just do it yourself". Go fuck yourself, Jerry.
TRVP_ANGELmore like "im not going to set your din beyond 8, that's unsafe"
hot.pocketLiability.
If someone mounts your bindings and cranks the din way past what the din chart recommends for your height / weight / skier ability, and you hurt yourself, that shop can get pretty screwed. Don't fight shop employees over what din you want, just set it yourself, they've got a lot more to lose by cranking it way past what it should be at and it's ridiculously easy to do on your own.
Overly exaggerated with the whole killing yourself thing, but liability. Those screws would have ripped out in a heartbeat and you would've been in a worse situation you were before.
Yep. liability is spot on. If you do want it set to something other than the chart you would need to sign the form marker has stating customer opt'd for something else. Most people just think 8 means expert. A lot of people ski shops deal with are just saying what they've overheard their ski buddy they look up to said once.
RudyGarmischski salesman: *slaps topsheet of skis* this bad boy can fuckin butter down the entire mountain
*ninja*tries to sell me swimtrunks while im puchasing ski shit in the winter.
Those are gold. swimtrunks as an upsell is obvious since everyone knows you go from the hill to the hottub...
JohngreenacreYep but some ski shop technicians seem to think it's always dumb as fuck. "You don't ski backwards enough for it to matter" buddy I promise you that I do. Just do it I'm paying you money
hootsquadthis. you want the midsole of your boot at the narrowest part of the sidecut which should make the ski turn its best, forwards or backwards
Spot on. most kids dont even know that a twin tip ski is not always symmetrical. Even the chronics are directional. Ski on the same ski switch with one center mounted and one back from center and i will guarantee it will be more stable and smoother rolling edge to edge not mounted center.
let this be understood though. depending on the shop they WILL know more than you. just because you browse NS and make edits for instagram does not mean you know a whole lot about skis, construction of skis, flex patterns, etc... There is a reason the representatives from the vendors come to ski shops and give onsite training and information regarding the new skis, boots, bindings etc.. There are boot fitting clinics, tuning clinics, etc.. that they attend. Dont act like a know it all and you'll begin to understand they are actually there to help you.
**This post was edited on Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:19:33am
roharaIt sounds like ski shop staff in the US fucking suck at their jobs
Corporate/chain ones suck, you shouldnt be buying gear from shops who sell patio furniture also imo.
Always support local shops, some are a little pricey in my area but theyll take care of locals. Not being a cheap unreasonable fuck also helps, too. These guys deal with assholes all the time so by all means be as jaded as you need to be when you got millionaires ready to sue you if their knee blows out
Walks into local “sports experts” store because my buddy tells me they have a wicked deal on some EP skis. Grab the skis I want and a kid comes up to me and says “ are you sure you want those....they might be too wide for you”.
Fuck off kid...I’ve been skiing longer then you’ve been alive. I know what I want. I fuck with really good boot fitters and tune shops though.
madsskaarAlso probably the best ski brand when it comes to racing considering all the best alpine racers in the world uses it
Yea you could say that but it’s pretty ignorant to say it’s a REAL ski company. Real ski companies are founded and owned by skiers and not greedy businessmen or larger corporations that think they can milk our industry and not put back into it.
Tall t is a good example of a REAL ski company. I wrote a note in my order about how excited I was that they brought back my favorite tall t design(the music one) and they hand wrote a note back. Shows how much they care and that they take the time to write that. Also the standard stickers to raise the hype
I would be blabbergasted if head ever did that lmfao
The company was founded in Baltimore, Maryland, United States, in 1950 by aeronautical engineer Howard Head, after he took a ski trip and was astonished to see his skis were made of wood in an era when metals and plastics were replacing wood in many product designs. Head worked at the Glenn L. Martin Company where they used a form of aluminum and plastic laminate to build the fuselages of aircraft, and he felt the same material would make an ideal ski. After two years of constantly breaking skis, by the winter of 1950 they had a design that not only stayed together, but made turning dramatically easier.
**This post was edited on Jul 24th 2018 at 7:48:25am
adamwolynYea you could say that but it’s pretty ignorant to say it’s a REAL ski company. Real ski companies are founded and owned by skiers and not greedy businessmen or larger corporations that think they can milk our industry and not put back into it.
Tall t is a good example of a REAL ski company. I wrote a note in my order about how excited I was that they brought back my favorite tall t design(the music one) and they hand wrote a note back. Shows how much they care and that they take the time to write that. Also the standard stickers to raise the hype
I would be blabbergasted if head ever did that lmfao
madsskaarAlso probably the best ski brand when it comes to racing considering all the best alpine racers in the world uses it
you might be right but isn't it more likely that head has decided to spend a lot of money sponsoring high profile racers. I really don't think ski brand matters all that much when youre looking at skiers with that much skill. Marcel Hirscher clicks into atomics...
TheDoughAbidesyou might be right but isn't it more likely that head has decided to spend a lot of money sponsoring high profile racers. I really don't think ski brand matters all that much when youre looking at skiers with that much skill. Marcel Hirscher clicks into atomics...
Yes, im sure money has something to do with it. But its not the only reason why skiers choose which skis too use. Also, Hirscher race slalom and giant slalom. Head has been dominating in super g and downhill for some years now, so clearly they make some fine skis.
Most annoying is when shops can't set an appointment to do shop work for you. For something takes about the same amount of time as a haircut it is super annoying for someone to ask you to make two trips to their shop.
adamwolynYea you could say that but it’s pretty ignorant to say it’s a REAL ski company. Real ski companies are founded and owned by skiers and not greedy businessmen or larger corporations that think they can milk our industry and not put back into it.
REAL ski companies are the companies that make skis.
OregonDeadMost annoying is when shops can't set an appointment to do shop work for you. For something takes about the same amount of time as a haircut it is super annoying for someone to ask you to make two trips to their shop.
you're going to the wrong shop then. many will definitely make time if you call ahead to ask to meet with their boot fitter or have a tech mount something while you wait. just call and ask. (hint: bringing beer will always make this work for you)
You "Hey im looking to have my skis mounted tonight, do you think thats possible?"
Them "Oh im not sure let me check with the tech"
You "What kind of beer does he drink"
Them "we'll fit you right in"
adamwolynWas in a bootshop in the Bay Area waiting when I overheard some 70yo manager/owner type say ”I only get gear from real ski brands like head”
Yea because being in the tennis, racquetball, squash, snowboarding, and swimming business doesn’t affect how legitimately you are a skiing company.
fun fact the head logo is actually a ski tip with a rivet in it, thats where company first started, making rivets for wooden skis.
On another note, having worked in ski shops for the best part of a decade most of these complaints are retarded and appear to come from people who know very little about what goes into choosing a ski, or the boot fitting process or the ski tuning/mounting process.
Luckily , I dont tend to have any trouble with shops or employees. I found that having a demo video to show them what I do on my phone helps them get a good idea of the kind of skier I am. I always go in to the store knowing exactly what I need. However, there are duds out there. My mom can sell skis, but only to noobs. She has some pretty funny stories about customers.
When I was 13 in 2000, I did encounter a few hilarious salesmen... (I was a rising mogul athlete and park was starting to take off)
Me: "I need a twintip ski, What do you have in stock"
Shop: Hands me over a pair of Volkl race skis with a lifted tail.
Me: "Thats not a park ski, its a race ski"
Shop: "look at the tail, its a twintip"
Me: "Nope Try again"
Mom: "stop arguing with the expert. He knows a lot more about skis than you"
I did have an adventure with one ski shop last year. It ended well though, so no hard feelings.
I bought a pair of DPS Wailer 99 Tour 1 and Dynafit superlights 2.0. Asked the employee how long it would take to mount. He answered about 5-7 days. I look back the workshop and there are only 5 pairs to be serviced and the shop was dead empty. So I give him the long face and answered: I might as well go with the full setup; get me a pair of skins (200$) and the scarpa tech boots (1000$) and could you get them mounted today? He said sure! while I was fitting the boots, he even gave me and my buddy a beer while I was waiting! However, The boots dont quite fit my feet and I must have got them punched 12 or 13 times during the season. I felt bad for the boot fitter; he was a good sport about it.
The worst experience I had is when I bought a pair of Fischer Lunars (mogul specific ski) back in 2006. My last pair of 2000 just would not die until they began to de-laminate. I snapped them in half on the first day trying them out. I took them back for a warranty claim, but big dick said that these skis arent meant for moguls; "its like taking a BMW sedan into the woods, no there is no warranty" was his answer. I told him to shove up his ass and left. I had to miss out of a national contest because I couldnt find another pair on time. Every shop in the city was out of stock on mogul skis.
"Ello, when I mounted your...Own-threep? skis at recommended where you asked I realized how crazy dull the edges are." I looked at him confused "Are you sure you want that? Going to be hard to carve and turn properly I don't think you should have that! I can sharpen them right now for you if you want, bad idea if not."
He was some old french guy and was being completely serious before anyone asks and he kept insisting I was making a huge mistake. I was about to nope the fuck out of there, motherfucker truly wanted and continually insisted I should let him sharpen my factory detuned 2018 ON3P magnuses. Jokingly told this other ski tech homie who also skied park and we laughed about it, became a running joke afterwards.
It's crazy how disconnected some people are within the industry when it comes to park skiing.
Jesse_"Ello, when I mounted your...Own-threep? skis at recommended where you asked I realized how crazy dull the edges are." I looked at him confused "Are you sure you want that? Going to be hard to carve and turn properly I don't think you should have that! I can sharpen them right now for you if you want, bad idea if not."
He was some old french guy and was being completely serious before anyone asks and he kept insisting I was making a huge mistake. I was about to nope the fuck out of there, motherfucker truly wanted and continually insisted I should let him sharpen my factory detuned 2018 ON3P magnuses. Jokingly told this other ski tech homie who also skied park and we laughed about it, became a running joke afterwards.
It's crazy how disconnected some people are within the industry when it comes to park skiing.
park skiing is 1% of the population. your story is dumb and everyone knows that even with tuned edges you can ski park just fine. Check out Dominator Jacques video on tuning a chronic....
LonelyHad a boot fitter get all offended when I said my foot size was 11.5 but I preferred to wear larger boots.
He goes on about how I dont know what I'm talking about and that I need smaller boots to have more power to my bindings.
I try them on, say they are uncomfortable and too small. He says thats a good thing and that hes been a boot fitter for a few years so he knows his shit and I dont.
Fast forward to my toes getting bruised to the point that my toenails fall off every season since due to my feet being crammed into these boots.
I get thay you should trust professionals but I hate it when ski shop people are too enamored with themselves to listen to their customers needs.
That’s the exact same mistake I made this season. Both my big toenails fell off. It’s shit
