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Recommendations for a quiver. Ski primarily in Colorado

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Swindle
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Hey I'm looking for some recommendations for a quiver. I'm 6'2" and around 230-240 advanced ski somewhat aggressively but usually just looking to have a good time. Currently I have volkl kendos 177 but I'm looking to upgrade to something new. Also, I was wondering if 177 on the short side for me?

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**This thread was edited on Jun 9th 2018 at 3:27:14am
Jun 8 2018 8:57PM
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ahshit
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What mountain do you ski at most, what's your style?
Jun 8 2018 10:05PM
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Swindle
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I'm usually at Breck, A basin or Vail and stick to the bowls/ upper mountain or blues/ blacks if I'm trying to cruise with friends
Jun 8 2018 10:25PM
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ahshit
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SwindleI'm usually at Breck, A basin or Vail and stick to the bowls/ upper mountain or blues/ blacks if I'm trying to cruise with friends

You sound exactly like a Bailey kid I talked to last fall.
Skis I could recommend: (home mtn wp but travel alot for competiing)
-4frnt vandal (slightly more freestyle
-faction prodigy 3.0
-icelantic nomad 105
-4frnt col (personal daily driver)
-armada tracer 108
-atomic backland 109/7
-moment death wish
-head Kore 105
-dynastar pro rider(might kick your ass)
And many more. I'd recommend reading blister reviews of skis that you're interested in. Note: skis like the backland, Kore, and tracer are pretty lightweight. The issue with skis like these is they get bucked around pretty easily in choppy snow.

Hope I helped and didn't spit out utter nonsense!
Jun 9 2018 12:30AM
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Non_State_Actor
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wpski-4frnt col (personal daily driver)

Sorry to threadjack, but where do you have those mounted?

OP, what do you or don't you like about the Kendo? Do you like to jump off stuff? Spin? Go really fast through chop and crud?
Jun 9 2018 3:05AM
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Swindle
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I enjoy going fast when I'm on piste and enjoy jumping off of stuff that's naturally there. I don't ever venture into the terrain park and I'm not really doing spins etc. So I guess I like going fast but also enjoy doing stuff that would be considered playful. Right now I feel like the Kendos struggle in powder and handling jumps
Jun 9 2018 3:25AM
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ahshit
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mystery3Sorry to threadjack, but where do you have those mounted?

OP, what do you or don't you like about the Kendo? Do you like to jump off stuff? Spin? Go really fast through chop and crud?

I mounted at the recommended, I talked about it in another thread but the col reminds me of the praxis gpo. I've had no issues with the recommended it's still a pretty playful ski that can charge well.
Jun 9 2018 9:16AM
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Swindle
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wpskiI mounted at the recommended, I talked about it in another thread but the col reminds me of the praxis gpo. I've had no issues with the recommended it's still a pretty playful ski that can charge well.

thanks for the info and I'm sorry if my description is poor I'm not good as using all the lingo to identify how I ski
Jun 9 2018 12:01PM
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hot.pocket
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SwindleI'm 6'2" and around 230-240 advanced ski somewhat aggressively / Also, I was wondering if 177 on the short side for me?

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**This thread was edited on Jun 9th 2018 at 3:27:14am


I'd put you on at least a 186 if not a 190+. 177 is way too small for you.
Jun 9 2018 4:44PM
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Swindle
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hot.pocketI'd put you on at least a 186 if not a 190+. 177 is way too small for you.


Thank you for the information I felt like that was the case. What benefits will I see from moving up in size?
Jun 9 2018 10:48PM
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Cole9
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SwindleThank you for the information I felt like that was the case. What benefits will I see from moving up in size?


Stability going fast
Jun 9 2018 11:07PM
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Swindle
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wpskiYou sound exactly like a Bailey kid I talked to last fall.
Skis I could recommend: (home mtn wp but travel alot for competiing)
-4frnt vandal (slightly more freestyle
-faction prodigy 3.0
-icelantic nomad 105
-4frnt col (personal daily driver)
-armada tracer 108
-atomic backland 109/7
-moment death wish
-head Kore 105
-dynastar pro rider(might kick your ass)
And many more. I'd recommend reading blister reviews of skis that you're interested in. Note: skis like the backland, Kore, and tracer are pretty lightweight. The issue with skis like these is they get bucked around pretty easily in choppy snow.

Hope I helped and didn't spit out utter nonsense!

So after looking over a few things and reading some comments I'm interested in the deathwish or the 4frnt col. Am i going to get my ass kicked going from 90 waist to 106-110 etc
Jun 10 2018 2:49PM
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ahshit
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SwindleSo after looking over a few things and reading some comments I'm interested in the deathwish or the 4frnt col. Am i going to get my ass kicked going from 90 waist to 106-110 etc

Cant speak for the deathwish but I dont think the waist would kick your ass, cols are very nimble
Jun 10 2018 4:22PM
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Swindle
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wpskiCant speak for the deathwish but I dont think the waist would kick your ass, cols are very nimble


awesome thanks for your help
Jun 10 2018 8:25PM
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ahshit
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Swindleawesome thanks for your help


Yeah bud! If you ever have any more questions just pm me!
Jun 11 2018 12:09AM
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Swindle
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Update: so I'm thinking deathwish 106, 4frnt col or on3p Kartel. What do people think would be the best bet out of the three
Jun 11 2018 1:38AM
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hot.pocket
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SwindleUpdate: so I'm thinking deathwish 106, 4frnt col or on3p Kartel. What do people think would be the best bet out of the three


If you're considering the Deathwish 106 for anything other than a tour ski, I would switch that consideration to the stock Deathwish 112. It's got a little more width, but it'll handle resort chop significantly better than its tour counterpart due to the added weight. Lightweight is awesome for touring, but if you have a chairlift taking you up more than 50% of the time, the full weight stock version will perform significantly better.
Jun 11 2018 1:45AM
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Swindle
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hot.pocketIf you're considering the Deathwish 106 for anything other than a tour ski, I would switch that consideration to the stock Deathwish 112. It's got a little more width, but it'll handle resort chop significantly better than its tour counterpart due to the added weight. Lightweight is awesome for touring, but if you have a chairlift taking you up more than 50% of the time, the full weight stock version will perform significantly better.

Ok thanks for the insight because I will more than likely be using the chairlift.
Jun 11 2018 2:32AM
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patagonialuke
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SwindleUpdate: so I'm thinking deathwish 106, 4frnt col or on3p Kartel. What do people think would be the best bet out of the three


Out of those, I'd echo Hot Pocket's recommendation to go with the regular Deathwish 112 over the tour version. And coming from the Kendo, you might find that the Kartel 108 takes some getting used to due to its more forward mount point (around -4.25 cm from center). The Kartel is an awesome ski if you ski with a centered stance (i.e., you don't focus a ton on driving the front / shovels of your skis), but if you're skiing (and liking) the Kendo, I'd recommend going with something with a mount point closer to what you're used to. The Deathwish (-5 cm) and Col (-8 cm) should feel a bit more intuitive, while still being more playful than the Kendo. I'd personally recommend the Deathwish, but I haven't skied the Col and can't weigh in on that ski.

I'd also toss these skis into the mix:
- Nordica Enforcer 110 - similar damp feel to Kendo, but more playful and IMO more versatile than the Kendo for a place like CO.
- J Skis Metal - also has metal (like the Kendo) but much more playful rocker profile, mount point, shape, and flex pattern. Though you might overpower the 186 at your height / weight
Jun 11 2018 9:57PM
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Swindle
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patagonialukeOut of those, I'd echo Hot Pocket's recommendation to go with the regular Deathwish 112 over the tour version. And coming from the Kendo, you might find that the Kartel 108 takes some getting used to due to its more forward mount point (around -4.25 cm from center). The Kartel is an awesome ski if you ski with a centered stance (i.e., you don't focus a ton on driving the front / shovels of your skis), but if you're skiing (and liking) the Kendo, I'd recommend going with something with a mount point closer to what you're used to. The Deathwish (-5 cm) and Col (-8 cm) should feel a bit more intuitive, while still being more playful than the Kendo. I'd personally recommend the Deathwish, but I haven't skied the Col and can't weigh in on that ski.

I'd also toss these skis into the mix:
- Nordica Enforcer 110 - similar damp feel to Kendo, but more playful and IMO more versatile than the Kendo for a place like CO.
- J Skis Metal - also has metal (like the Kendo) but much more playful rocker profile, mount point, shape, and flex pattern. Though you might overpower the 186 at your height / weight


Seems like everyone thinks the deathwish is a good fit so far but if i go with that would I want the 184 or the 190? and I will definitely take a look at the Enforcer. Thank you for the input though i really appreciate it. I was also looking into The Metal it seems to fit the bill as well. I think the biggest thing I want to improve on from the Kendo is performance in variable conditions but if I'm just cruising the groomers it does a good job. I also stumbled upon the RMU Apostle would this be a good fit?
Jun 11 2018 10:42PM
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Non_State_Actor
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SwindleSeems like everyone thinks the deathwish is a good fit so far but if i go with that would I want the 184 or the 190? and I will definitely take a look at the Enforcer. Thank you for the input though i really appreciate it. I was also looking into The Metal it seems to fit the bill as well. I think the biggest thing I want to improve on from the Kendo is performance in variable conditions but if I'm just cruising the groomers it does a good job. I also stumbled upon the RMU Apostle would this be a good fit?


I'd think 190, you're like 7" taller and 90lbs heavier than I am. I demoed the Black Crows Atris 184cm in April for a couple of hours and the length was just fine maybe a touch long but I'm not sure if I were to buy them if I'd drop to a 178. I know the skis are not apples to apples necessarily but it's a playful 108mm waisted ski.
Jun 12 2018 12:17AM
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hot.pocket
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SwindleSeems like everyone thinks the deathwish is a good fit so far but if i go with that would I want the 184 or the 190?


I'd go with the 190. I'm 6'2" 155 lbs and ski the 190 without much issue. The 184 is going to be too small on you at your height / weight.
Jun 12 2018 12:00PM
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Swindle
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hot.pocketI'd go with the 190. I'm 6'2" 155 lbs and ski the 190 without much issue. The 184 is going to be too small on you at your height / weight.


thanks hotpocket
Jun 12 2018 4:08PM
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fasa
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Can't recommend the Deathwish enough. I'm 6'2 240lbs, so basically your same size. I ski the Deathwish 190cm everyday. Go with the 190cm, mount on the line, you won't be disappointed. Best ski I've owned, I've been on them for three seasons now 100+ each, no issues at all, ski like new.
Jun 12 2018 7:46PM
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Swindle
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fasaCan't recommend the Deathwish enough. I'm 6'2 240lbs, so basically your same size. I ski the Deathwish 190cm everyday. Go with the 190cm, mount on the line, you won't be disappointed. Best ski I've owned, I've been on them for three seasons now 100+ each, no issues at all, ski like new.

Thanks for the recommendation! Especially since you are basically the same size as me. How does it perform on groomers/ icy conditions
Jun 13 2018 12:29AM
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RudyGarmisch
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If possible you should test out a set of each option you're thinking of.

Echo hot.pocket on the longer length.

FWIW, my Kartels eat up variable snow like nothing, but I'm shorter and lighter and with a tour layup - stock 186cm would probably be your ticket.
Jun 13 2018 1:26AM
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fasa
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SwindleThanks for the recommendation! Especially since you are basically the same size as me. How does it perform on groomers/ icy conditions


Does way better than I expected. The triple camber really lets it grip and hold, even when it's bulletproof. Triple camber effectively gives you 4 contact points per ski instead of 2 so double the edge hold. You can feel this especially when you're side-hilling on an icey skin track. I used to have a 100ish underfoot for the firm stuff. I don't anymore. Got rid of it after I'd had the Deathwishes for a bit. Just no use for them with these in the quiver.
Jun 13 2018 6:38PM
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Swindle
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fasaDoes way better than I expected. The triple camber really lets it grip and hold, even when it's bulletproof. Triple camber effectively gives you 4 contact points per ski instead of 2 so double the edge hold. You can feel this especially when you're side-hilling on an icey skin track. I used to have a 100ish underfoot for the firm stuff. I don't anymore. Got rid of it after I'd had the Deathwishes for a bit. Just no use for them with these in the quiver.

Thank you this is really helpful especially after the snow we had this year in Colorado
Jun 14 2018 12:05AM
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Swindle
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https://denver.craigslist.org/spo/d/on3p-mens-wrenegade-snow-ski/6614583194.html
Is this a good set up/ price for my needs I'm more than likely going to end up buying the deathwish but was curious what people thought about this
Jun 14 2018 12:10AM
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Swindlehttps://denver.craigslist.org/spo/d/on3p-mens-wrenegade-snow-ski/6614583194.html
Is this a good set up/ price for my needs I'm more than likely going to end up buying the deathwish but was curious what people thought about this


I'd say it's expensive for it's age.
Just to clarify, you're not looking for a touring setup or are you looking for something capable of short tours or sidecountry?
Jun 14 2018 1:46AM
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Swindle
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mystery3I'd say it's expensive for it's age.
Just to clarify, you're not looking for a touring setup or are you looking for something capable of short tours or sidecountry?

No not touring just all mountain/ bowls upper mountain etc I might do one or two cat trips
Jun 14 2018 2:20AM
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ahshit
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Update: broke my col's yesterday. Won't blame the ski or manufacturer though as I put around 150 days of hard skiing on them. In this case I'd say they're pretty durable.
Jun 14 2018 2:19PM
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Swindle
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RudyGarmischIf possible you should test out a set of each option you're thinking of.

Echo hot.pocket on the longer length.

FWIW, my Kartels eat up variable snow like nothing, but I'm shorter and lighter and with a tour layup - stock 186cm would probably be your ticket.

Anyone know a good demo shop in Colorado? I would love to try some stuff out
Jun 15 2018 6:39AM
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Non_State_Actor
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http://www.powder7.com/golden-denver-ski-shop

I'm sure there are a bunch more, that just came to mind as I've shopped their demo fleet online, may not be the most eclectic but they have a pretty wide variety of brands.
Jun 15 2018 11:43AM
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