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Flat 180s. The problem

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LukeTheWaffle
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Cork 180s? Awesome!
Rodeo 180s? Epic?
Flat 180s? Not so much.
99% of the time I see someone "cork 1" it's an Underflip 540. Rotate 90, up hill Sideflip, bring it to switch. Off the top of my head, prime offenders are; Dean Bercovitch (Slvsh vs Teal) Krypto Skier, and THall. I sure as hell can't underflip and that's still a dope trick but it ain't a flat 1. On Instagram somebody made the argument that it's set different, but does that matter if the rotation is still the same? For example, let's say I'm on a skateboard and my feet are setup for a heelflip, but I manage to kickflip It's a kickflip right?
May 24 2018 4:10PM
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pbs
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many insta skiers are doing under flips, but, at least what I have seen, a small hand full of skiers are starting a normal flat 3(let's say of counterclockwise)then when upside down and have rotated 270-ish degrees they "pretzel" a 180 spinning the other direction, making themselves rotate 180ish degrees and completing the normal inverted flat spin. You could also call this a flat 3 pretzel 1. don't have any clips but will look for some and link them later

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May 24 2018 4:22PM
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270on420out
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Idk about Dean or Thall but I’d definitely call this a flat 1. The axis lines up and his head never went fully upside down

https://instagram.com/p/Bib5fgnngA2/

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May 24 2018 5:27PM
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dizzydizzy
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Its an underflip with a trailing japan air every time. yeah, it looks weird, no its not a flat 1, rodeo 1, inverted 1 of any type, its an underflip. now ahalls cork 1 is a different story and its sick, and vinnicash's sw pretzel rodeo is also different and sick, and the underflip trailing japan "flat 1" is still crazy cool, but you gotta call it like it is
May 24 2018 5:50PM
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Titus69
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Idk about you but Deans are pretty spot on, I guess a full flip is technically 360 degrees but usually his feet don't spin so we call it 180. As for cork 180s, most of the time besides AHalls people just lean back and do a high safety 180. Skiing doesn't need to be so PC either..
May 24 2018 5:57PM
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seanahue.
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Theory: Squaw banned Thall because he broke physics

May 24 2018 6:38PM
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chef_boyardee
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LukeTheWaffleOff the top of my head, prime offenders are; Dean Bercovitch (Slvsh vs Teal) Krypto Skier, and THall. I sure as hell can't underflip and that's still a dope trick but it ain't a flat 1.
Ok the flat 1 he did in the slvsh game was sus, I think one could argue that it was an underflip. But normally Dean does way more legit ones. But Tanner Hall and Krypto skier's flat 1s were both super legit, and not underlip 5s. if you watch the videos carefully you can see how hard both of them have to work to keep the tricks at switch and do the pretzel rotation. I definitely wouldn't call them Krypto and Tanner prime offenders.
LukeTheWaffleRodeo 180s? Epic?
Flat 180s? Not so much.
Honestly is there even a difference between a rodeo 1 and flat 1? I've personally never heard anyone talk about rodeo 1s, only flat 1s.
May 24 2018 9:01PM
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LukeTheWaffle
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chef_boyardeeOk the flat 1 he did in the slvsh game was sus, I think one could argue that it was an underflip. But normally Dean does way more legit ones. But Tanner Hall and Krypto skier's flat 1s were both super legit, and not underlip 5s. if you watch the videos carefully you can see how hard both of them have to work to keep the tricks at switch and do the pretzel rotation. I definitely wouldn't call them Krypto and Tanner prime offenders.
Honestly is there even a difference between a rodeo 1 and flat 1? I've personally never heard anyone talk about rodeo 1s, only flat 1s.

Henrik Harlaut did one, just search yo Hebrik harlaut rodeo 180
May 25 2018 1:18AM
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corona
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DIRTYBUBBLEIdk about Dean or Thall but I’d definitely call this a flat 1. The axis lines up and his head never went fully upside down

https://instagram.com/p/Bib5fgnngA2/

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lol at landing on your side off a rail being a trick now. last I checked that's a fall.
May 25 2018 9:26AM
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Rparr
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VinnieFlol at landing on your side off a rail being a trick now. last I checked that's a fall.


landing tricks isn't cool anymore man. Come on, get with the times
May 25 2018 9:49AM
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Rparr
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DIRTYBUBBLEIdk about Dean or Thall but I’d definitely call this a flat 1. The axis lines up and his head never went fully upside down

https://instagram.com/p/Bib5fgnngA2/

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I see that as an underflip no matter how many times I watch it.
May 25 2018 9:59AM
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seanahue.
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CALLING ALL NS ARMCHAIR QBs:

When everyone is done philosophizing about tricks they can’t do (sorry guys, haven’t done YET amiright??), I would like to personally take it upon myself to present this prestigious Armchair Quarterback award to the winner of this thread:


Since this trick is so easy to replicate, do it, take a video, and post it. To the winner goes the trophy.

EDIT: DM me your shipping info when the clip is up

**This post was edited on May 25th 2018 at 10:36:35am
May 25 2018 10:26AM
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LukeTheWaffle
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seanahue.CALLING ALL NS ARMCHAIR QBs:

When everyone is done philosophizing about tricks they can’t do (sorry guys, haven’t done YET amiright??), I would like to personally take it upon myself to present this prestigious Armchair Quarterback award to the winner of this thread:


Since this trick is so easy to replicate, do it, take a video, and post it. To the winner goes the trophy.

EDIT: DM me your shipping info when the clip is up

**This post was edited on May 25th 2018 at 10:36:35am


Well here's your issue, have you ever watched a competition and be like damn that guy did a switch dub 14, but I'm willing to bet you've never done a switch dub 14, so how can you know it's a switch double 14?
May 25 2018 11:29AM
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JWillySkeez
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LukeTheWaffleWell here's your issue, have you ever watched a competition and be like damn that guy did a switch dub 14, but I'm willing to bet you've never done a switch dub 14, so how can you know it's a switch double 14?


You just proved his point. Also you can know its a switch dub 14 or in this case rodeo/flat 180's by counting the number of spins, number of flips, and axis on which it was set. I agree people set tricks in their own unique ways but there are still characteristics and aspects of the trick that remain apparent regardless of how you set it.
May 25 2018 11:50AM
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JWillySkeez
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWw_87T6Y-I lets put a video of an underflip in for reference.
May 25 2018 11:53AM
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JimmyWazer
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JWillySkeezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWw_87T6Y-I lets put a video of an underflip in for reference.

Thank you!!! You get it.
May 25 2018 11:56AM
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JWillySkeez
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JimmyWazerThank you!!! You get it.


I just feel like people are getting confused on what the trick looks like. I could definitely see how somebody could mistake this for a cork 1 tho.
May 25 2018 11:57AM
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FUUUCK
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this is kind of like double cork 7s- some guys to them better than others, but they're still double cork 7s

and then you get the NS knuckle heads who think they're double flat 7s.
May 25 2018 12:47PM
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Jay.Gusmano
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nah, underflip you continue spinning the same way when t hall and krypto do them, they do like rodeo ones like sure they do a 90 and then uphill sideslip (almost a flip) but then change the direction there spinning and land switch the opposite way of a 540, making It a 180
May 25 2018 8:03PM
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Dunderflip
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its not an underflip u guys. spinning left they drop their right shoulder which screams rodeo, flip with their right shoulder downhill the whole time. an underflip spinning left starts with dropping your left shoulder and after the flip your right shoulder is downhill. its a rodeo for sure
May 27 2018 3:00AM
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Titus69
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JWillySkeezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWw_87T6Y-I lets put a video of an underflip in for reference.



I don't really see how you can confuse the two, for a flat 180 you're almost setting a backflip, not turning you're feet 90 degrees immediately as you flip like in this video. An underflip is also a clearly fluid rotation, not some whack pretzely looking flip.
May 27 2018 8:34AM
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chicknfriedsteak
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So everyone knows how lots of kids will backflip with a japan grab and call it a rodeo, well the majority of "flat 180s" are just that but with a late 180 thrown in. At the end of the day though no matter what you call it they are all 540s of some kind or other. The only possibly true one is A-halls flat 180 in the pipe in his instabanger.
May 27 2018 4:27PM
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chef_boyardee
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chicknfriedsteakAt the end of the day though no matter what you call it they are all 540s of some kind or other..
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one
May 27 2018 11:08PM
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casual
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Where’s the footy of THall doing this trick?
May 28 2018 1:55AM
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LukeTheWaffle
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casualWhere’s the footy of THall doing this trick?


NS insta or his
May 28 2018 8:21AM
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yungmcqueen
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y'all are thinking about this way too hard
May 30 2018 4:39AM
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ParkRx
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Figured I'd post this here. Thoughts? I could see an argument either way
May 31 2018 12:33PM
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LukeTheWaffle
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WalkerAndrewsFigured I'd post this here. Thoughts? I could see an argument either way

This looks like a rodeo 1 to me. Can't see how this one could get confused
May 31 2018 5:32PM
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PacificRimJob
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seanahue.Theory: Squaw banned Thall because he broke physics


In reality, they banned him because Squaw jumped the fucking shark over the last few years and has pretty much just become Northstar with better terrain.

I wouldn't be surprised if they busted out the Vail yellow jacket police next year to protect their precious shirley lake crowd from "aggressive race skiers"
Jun 3 2018 3:40AM
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Earl_Globz
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You're a flat one.
Jun 3 2018 8:30AM
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