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60fps Edits

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Canaidan
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Am I the only one who hates watching edits that are exported at 60fps? Especially when they slow only some of the clips so some clips are 60 and some clips are 30, I find it so jarring. Also, when the filmer isn't using a Steadicam any handheld shakiness feels accentuated by the high frame rate (speaking on follow shots more than stationary shots). Am I being ignorant or can any real 1s relate? Sound off in the comments below..
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May 8 2018 12:02PM
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eheath
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Yeah I agree, there is a time and place for 60fps/60hz monitors, but in filmmaking, especially skiing, 24fps looks the best.
May 8 2018 1:53PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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totally agree, 24fps or bust. A prime example is the new Slope-Style 2 edit, very solid skiing but the 60fps export makes it kinda hard to watch
May 8 2018 6:46PM
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P-wurps
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Same here. I think 60fps only really looks good for graphic animations, like in title/intro sequences. But for actual footage 24 or 30.
May 8 2018 6:49PM
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SammyDubz
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eheathYeah I agree, there is a time and place for 60fps/60hz monitors, but in filmmaking, especially skiing, 24fps looks the best.


IanAvery-Leaftotally agree, 24fps or bust. A prime example is the new Slope-Style 2 edit, very solid skiing but the 60fps export makes it kinda hard to watch


can one of yall explain exactly what's wrong with it? Granted, I know absolutely nothing about filming or editing. However, edits like the one mentioned definitely appear different to me from most, but from my perspective the footy seems smooth and very cinematic...

clue me in
May 8 2018 7:31PM
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cultrara
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SammyDubzcan one of yall explain exactly what's wrong with it? Granted, I know absolutely nothing about filming or editing. However, edits like the one mentioned definitely appear different to me from most, but from my perspective the footy seems smooth and very cinematic...

clue me in


There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's a style preference.

Movies are 24fps and TV is 29.97fps. Since all the moving media we consume is at these lower frame rates, we get used to that look and it can feel odd to watch something with twice as much visual information. Personally, I think 60fps looks "too real" and it distracts me from what I'm watching.

I like high frame rates for video games and nature documentaries because I want to feel like what I'm viewing is real, and not a stylized video.

For anyone unfamiliar with frame rates, check out this video I made explaining them:
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/903033/How-Frame-Rates-Work
May 8 2018 7:45PM
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DrZoidberg
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Lol implying my computer can even play 60fps videos without lagging every five seconds...

When it does work for more than 5 seconds in a row it's weird to watch, although I imagine that's just because I'm used to 24 or 30 or 29.whatever it is. I remember one time I watch a skate video on a dvd player and not from the internet and it was in 60p and I thought it was the strangest thing. It looks really real, in a strange way.
May 8 2018 10:08PM
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gucciman7
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I think it looks great, I’d rather watch something new and different from normal edits, then a video another video of gus fucking his boyfriend.
May 8 2018 11:38PM
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brett_fisher
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eheathYeah I agree, there is a time and place for 60fps/60hz monitors, but in filmmaking, especially skiing, 24fps looks the best.


so whats the reasons you like 24fps I'm pretty new to using a dslr.
I thought since 60 is more frames it would work well with skiing considering how fast everything happens.
May 9 2018 1:38AM
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P-wurps
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brett_fisherso whats the reasons you like 24fps I'm pretty new to using a dslr.
I thought since 60 is more frames it would work well with skiing considering how fast everything happens.


cultraraThere's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's a style preference.

Movies are 24fps and TV is 29.97fps. Since all the moving media we consume is at these lower frame rates, we get used to that look and it can feel odd to watch something with twice as much visual information. Personally, I think 60fps looks "too real" and it distracts me from what I'm watching.

I like high frame rates for video games and nature documentaries because I want to feel like what I'm viewing is real, and not a stylized video.

For anyone unfamiliar with frame rates, check out this video I made explaining them:
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/903033/How-Frame-Rates-Work


Check out cultara's video.

But what I don't think is mentioned is that playing back a higher framerate say 60fps, in 30fps will make it look 2x as slow. So if you want slomo, you have to shoot with higher fps than the playback fps in order to make the footage remain smooth. So for instance you could also shoot in 120fps and be able to have 2x slomo in 60fps, or 4x slowmo in 30fps.
May 9 2018 2:48AM
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clorox
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I like 60fps but only when the shots are all 60fps and steady. Also, if your camera doesn't have optical stabilization, you probably shouldn't be filming higher than 30. Digital stabilization looks like shit in 60fps imo. I'm a fan of the fisheye and vx1000 edits, but there is a right place and time... Sunset jump shoots probably aren't the best time for that, but rails edits in bad weather can look pretty damn good in SD.
May 9 2018 7:56AM
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brett_fisher
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Ryan5_MNCheck out cultara's video.

But what I don't think is mentioned is that playing back a higher framerate say 60fps, in 30fps will make it look 2x as slow. So if you want slomo, you have to shoot with higher fps than the playback fps in order to make the footage remain smooth. So for instance you could also shoot in 120fps and be able to have 2x slomo in 60fps, or 4x slowmo in 30fps.


thanks
May 9 2018 5:28PM
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FUUUCK
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it's really hard to make look good. when it's done "professionally" with minimal shake it can be refreshing to watch, but I would never prefer 60fps.
May 10 2018 12:15PM
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_____alfredo____
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honestly I think the more frames the better
May 11 2018 12:49AM
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Hrovelli
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feel you man
May 14 2018 9:46AM
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weastcoat
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Ryan5_MNSame here. I think 60fps only really looks good for graphic animations, like in title/intro sequences. But for actual footage 24 or 30.


This
May 18 2018 10:46PM
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NPF
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darticus_primehonestly I think the more frames the better


yeah when filming
May 21 2018 6:02PM
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mooseman077
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60fps is how it all should be done at this point, one of the reasons film was done at 24 was because it was cheaper that way.
May 21 2018 10:51PM
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_____alfredo____
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NPFyeah when filming


nah all the time
May 21 2018 11:36PM
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