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YungTrifesthis whole thread is more toxic then an activision sub reddit.
*sips on straw*
skiermanAh so Berman has always been a cheap piece of shit that never paid the athletes travel, insurance or for their time while he extracted money from their sponsors through blackmail to include the athlete's shots in his movies.
Gotcha.
GrandThingsWhy do you need to cut shots? I'm sure everyone would be in favor of longer edits. Just curious!
loganimlachYou just described every single action sports film production operation. Seriously, keep on trying.
loganimlachYou just described every single action sports film production operation. Seriously, keep on trying.
theabortionator15 yard penalty
Upstate_WillisI mean, seeing someone at super unknown for third time may have something to do at this. Kinda looses the nostalgia
skiermanYou should try filming with WME. I bet you'd appreciate how well they treat their athletes.
skiermanYou should try filming with WME. I bet you'd appreciate how well they treat their athletes.
loganimlachTouche, you thought of one film company that covers their athlete's trips. I can't speak certainly, but I seriously doubt they carry insurance for the people in their movies. In return you get to sell your soul to star alongside ski action stars like Birdie and Caroline Gleich. No thanks, I'll pass. You're smart enough to know that a WME comparison isn't straight across to any of the other ski production movies, or any major snowboard film company (MSP, TGR, Transworld, VG, People, etc, etc.). Say what you want about Berman (I'm guessing you have never met him and are spewing all of this third hand) but he's found a way to stay in this industry for 19 years and quite often helped people with travel costs, as well as helped create careers for this websites' favorite skiers. The first thing he told me when I won Superunknown was "I'm never going to be able to pay you, but I'm going to do everything in my power to give you the opportunity to get paid. The rest is up to you." What's wrong with that? Those kids got a ton of free gear and free lodging and food for a week to come and ski in a competition, what the fuck is wrong with that? You're just trolling clinging to some third hand story you heard from an "insider" so you can feel cool. Seriously though, keep trying though, I'll wait.
skiermanPfft, I'm the one trolling? The riders pay for their own hotels and they have to dig their own features. Its easy to stay in the industry for so long when you run an action sport equivalent of a sweat shop. If WME isn't your style, you could always join the 21st century and do your own project and not lose your personal rights to some corporation.
dan38Does anyone know who the person who came in second by 1 point was?
Cnoel7What do you mean by looseball?
loganimlachTouche, you thought of one film company that covers their athlete's trips. I can't speak certainly, but I seriously doubt they carry insurance for the people in their movies. In return you get to sell your soul to star alongside ski action stars like Birdie and Caroline Gleich. No thanks, I'll pass. You're smart enough to know that a WME comparison isn't straight across to any of the other ski production movies, or any major snowboard film company (MSP, TGR, Transworld, VG, People, etc, etc.). Say what you want about Berman (I'm guessing you have never met him and are spewing all of this third hand) but he's found a way to stay in this industry for 19 years and quite often helped people with travel costs, as well as helped create careers for this websites' favorite skiers. The first thing he told me when I won Superunknown was "I'm never going to be able to pay you, but I'm going to do everything in my power to give you the opportunity to get paid. The rest is up to you." What's wrong with that? Those kids got a ton of free gear and free lodging and food for a week to come and ski in a competition, what the fuck is wrong with that? You're just trolling clinging to some third hand story you heard from an "insider" so you can feel cool. Seriously though, keep trying though, I'll wait.
ZAHNERyeah huh? hahah
skiermanAh so Berman has always been a cheap piece of shit that never paid the athletes travel, insurance or for their time while he extracted money from their sponsors through blackmail to include the athlete's shots in his movies.
Gotcha.
freelowdaWhere does your personal vendetta come from?
J_ChristophYeah my dude you're just a looseball get over it lol
Upstate_WillisWho isn't a looseball?
FUUUCKI thought anyone could've taken it. I wouldn't have bet on Remco given that Zahner is such a beast, Hunter is on a tear this year, and Belanger was really standing out in the edits.
It would be so hard to vote for just one guy, I'm curious who came 2nd.
skierman1. Remco
2. The lucky son-of-a-bitch who won't go bankrupt paying back Berman for shoots while being fed the false reality of becoming famous and receiving a living wage from sponsors.
**This post was edited on May 10th 2018 at 1:00:44pm
loganimlachThe fact that you thrive on trolling people on a niche internet forum to feed your ego is so, so sad. You lead a sad life. I would cancel your internet service and put that money towards seeing a therapist.
skiermanYou're living the dream brah!
skiermanThe fact that you defend a business model that's detrimental to athletes on a niche internet forum is so, so sad. I would suggest cancelling your contracts with Berman and putting time into helping out your fellow athletes instead of cowering like a pussy in fear of being blacklisted for speaking out. Yes, be a nice and obedient doggy. You're living the dream brah!
loganimlachLol, blacklisted? I don't even ski anymore, I'm an old man working on my dad bod. You're fucking crazy if you think that any other film company picks up the riders' tabs and gives them health insurance, and even fucking crazier if you think that business model is sustainable for someone who produces niche content in a small niche of a niche industry. I've never for a second been "an obedient doggy" to anything that I've perceived to be fucked up in this industry, and don't ever plan on starting. You're the only one clinging on to some weird, old 4bi9/Level 1 beef that EVERY single other person has moved on from. And you're right, I am living the dream working hard and starting a family up here in Alaska while you sit at home clinging to some hair strand of a connection you once had to the ski industry, crying about how lonely your life is, then use those tears to lube up your 3 inch dick beating off to the only happy part of your sad life: your infamous trolling career on Newschoolers. You're living the dream, Brah!
loganimlachLol, blacklisted? I don't even ski anymore, I'm an old man working on my dad bod. You're fucking crazy if you think that any other film company picks up the riders' tabs and gives them health insurance, and even fucking crazier if you think that business model is sustainable for someone who produces niche content in a small niche of a niche industry. I've never for a second been "an obedient doggy" to anything that I've perceived to be fucked up in this industry, and don't ever plan on starting. You're the only one clinging on to some weird, old 4bi9/Level 1 beef that EVERY single other person has moved on from. And you're right, I am living the dream working hard and starting a family up here in Alaska while you sit at home clinging to some hair strand of a connection you once had to the ski industry, crying about how lonely your life is, then use those tears to lube up your 3 inch dick beating off to the only happy part of your sad life: your infamous trolling career on Newschoolers. You're living the dream, Brah!
skierman1. Remco
2. The lucky son-of-a-bitch who won't go bankrupt paying back Berman for shoots while being fed the false reality of becoming famous and receiving a living wage from sponsors.
**This post was edited on May 10th 2018 at 1:00:44pm
skiermanKeep on living off the backs of those that actually do the work...
skiermanPfft, I'm the one trolling? The riders pay for their own hotels and they have to dig their own features. Its easy to stay in the industry for so long when you run an action sport equivalent of a sweat shop. If WME isn't your style, you could always join the 21st century and do your own project and not lose your personal rights to some corporation.
JoshBOk fine Skierman, I’m taking the bait.
To respond to your bullshit claims and whining:
-Level 1 doesn't bring in close to enough money to cover our costs in running SuperUnknown, but it’s something that means a lot to me personally (like producing an annual feature film) and I do whatever I can to keep it alive. We were fortunate enough to have a couple sponsors supporting this year’s event, but again, it doesn’t cover our costs. Last year we had a grand total of $0.00 in sponsor support for the event, but we still invested a ton of our money, time, and resources into keeping SuperUnknown alive, and I’ll continue to keep the flame burning as long as it remains a platform that helps the best up and coming talent get exposure, opportunities, and support to grow their careers.
-Finalists have to find their own way to the event, there’s simply no way that we could even try to cover these costs, but once they arrive lodging, snacks, and dinners are all taken care of thanks to our resort partners.
-There is no slave labor- some resort partners have larger park crews and create a situation where we simply ask for what we want and then show up the next day to hit it. Other resort partners have had minimal crew support and we’ve done some digging on features- from my perspective the more hands-on Finals have been the most fun, and if you asked the Finalists they’d probably agree.
-Every single person out there pays for their own health insurance, this is how the world works (at least in the US). Level 1 pays a small fortune for General Liability policies that our resort partners require. Not one endemic company out there pays for their athletes’ health insurance with the exception of Redbull, and they don’t even do this for all of their athletes (and maybe the don’t do this at all anymore?.
-The winner of SuperUnknown is determined solely and exclusively by the Finalists. That’s it. This year’s contest was the most even playing field we’ve ever seen, and in my opinion there were 6 guys that all could have easily walked away with it and been deserving, and each and every one of the 10 Finalists has what it takes to go on to pursue some level of professional skiing. In any field of Finalists, sometimes its the runners up that have gone on to be the most successful. Sometimes not.
-No production companies pay their athletes (or for athletes’s travel expenses) with the exception of Warren Miller, who operates on an entirely different model and budget level than everyone else, and they may or may not even do this anymore. While there’s not a dime in the budget to actually pay athletes I personally do everything I can to help and support everyone that we work with- after all, these are my friends, and people that I respect the hell out of. Perhaps ask some of them… there’s a reason why we’ve maintained so much consistency in our crews over the years, and why so many come back after taking off to pursue other opportunities.
-I’m not still making ski films for the money, that’s for sure. I’m trying to hold it down because I love this sport and feel like Level 1 still has a role to play in it.
-Level 1 has never subscribed to the ‘pay for play’ model, nor does Level 1 “blackmail” sponsors to include shots in movies. We make the best movies we can with the best shots we can produce. No sponsor has ever paid us enough to force us to include content that sucks, and we’ve never refused to include content when an athlete didn’t have support behind them. Other production companies may work this way, but not us. To the contrary, we’ve turned down relatively big $ opportunities to work with athletes that don’t fit with the program, and we figure out how to produce content with those that we want to work with that don’t have support. Case in point, Keegan and Will shared an opening segment in last year’s film because they deserved it, and they represent a vision of skiing that we want to highlight and share with our audience. They cumulatively had $0.00 in cash support from sponsors to make their segment happen. This is one example of many.
Skierman, now please go find something more productive to do with your time- you’re too old to be trolling on NS.
skiermanFor someone who says its all bullshit, you sure took a lot of effort to refute my legitimate claims.
Now about those invoices you send to athletes to reimburse costs after a filming trip you invited them on... Logan Imacunt claims you're just like all the other film companies so you must do that just like MSP and TGR, right? I'm sorry but those are Logan's words and not mine. I'm really not trying to start anything here, I'm just a concerned citizen.
**This post was edited on May 11th 2018 at 5:01:10pm
skiermanFor someone who says its all bullshit, you sure took a lot of effort to refute my legitimate claims.
Now about those invoices you send to athletes to reimburse costs after a filming trip you invited them on... Logan Imacunt claims you're just like all the other film companies so you must do that just like MSP and TGR, right? I'm sorry but those are Logan's words and not mine. I'm really not trying to start anything here, I'm just a concerned citizen.
**This post was edited on May 11th 2018 at 5:01:10pm
skiermanFor someone who says its all bullshit, you sure took a lot of effort to refute my legitimate claims.
Now about those invoices you send to athletes to reimburse costs after a filming trip you invited them on... Logan Imacunt claims you're just like all the other film companies so you must do that just like MSP and TGR, right? I'm sorry but those are Logan's words and not mine. I'm really not trying to start anything here, I'm just a concerned citizen.
**This post was edited on May 11th 2018 at 5:01:10pm
J_ChristophI'm disappointed in NS for allowing you to think your opinion means shit to anyone.
skiermanLogan Imacunt
JoshBSkierman you're a clown.
loganimlachAnd a BITCH who loves tough talking from the safety of his keyboard.
skiermanLogan Immabitch with that tough talk from the safety of his keyboard.
loganimlachWe will run into each other one of these days, don't hesitate to say what's up
skiermanEh not sure about that, I'm not into industry circle jerks.
skiermanFor someone who says its all bullshit, you sure took a lot of effort to refute my legitimate claims.[/b]
