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The New Wave Made Me a Better Skier.

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Johngreenacre
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Going into this season, I was a hater of the new wave.

Fuck the bunch, fuck track suits, fuck shuffles, and fuck style over tech.

I was not a very good skier then. I thought I was, I could do a lot of different jump tricks, most of the basic rail tricks, and I thought I was a decently clean and comfortable skier. Looking back on that thought, I could not have been more wrong.
This year was a big year for me. It was my first year of college, I switched ski mountains, and skied with new people, I also got A LOT BETTER.

I went from skiing my little home mountain Ski Sundown, and Okemo, to Sugarbush, notorious home of the new wave on the east coast. Going into the season, I was not stoked on this. I was a jump skier, someone who wanted to start competing more, and someone who couldn't give less of a fuck about being creative. I wanted to get to a point in skiing where I had big tricks I was comfortable with so I could make stock edits, and put together good comp runs.

Skiing bush is a very unique park experience. The feature density is insane, the lips are low and wide, and the feature creativity is out of this world. Its a skate park, not a slope course.

At first, it wasn't that sick. I did a lot of strait slides. I skied down to the jumps as fast as I could so I could work on my cork 7s and switch rodeos.

I got bored, quick.

I dipped my toes into the new wave as a joke. I started doing shiftys everywhere, buttering off knuckles, doing carves on my 180s and 3s and landing with ridiculous arm swing and head bang. I would exaggerate all of my gestures. I would do ridiculous looking nollies and shiftys and after bang everything like I was hitting the ground with the force of a freight train.
It was all funny, but after doing this every afternoon (I would get tired of trying and bored of my tricks), I would notice that I was better the next time I was on hill.
My dexterity was improved, I learned new ways of doing things and my skiing got WAY more stylish.
I learned front swap front 2 almost accidentally after fucking around with shifty front swaps, all my jump axis were more wobbly, and I landed clean with afterbang.

All of the exaggerated ridiculous looking moves I was doing while messing around were incorporating themselves into my skiing, and it didn't look like a joke.

It obvious that practice makes us better, and the tricks we practice a lot are the ones we are best at. I was practicing my tricks in the air and on rails, but I wasn't practicing them when I was just skiing. If your skiing isn't clean and stylish, if you aren't able to style out a strait air off a side hit, you obviously won't be able to style out a flip trick on a jump.
Seems like common sense, yet its not something I ever thought about.

Changing the way we ski and dabbling in new things makes us better. The new wave shouldn't be an excuse for progression to stop. I agree with that. But for people that think it can't be good for their skiing or skiing as a whole, You're wrong.
Apr 13 2018 1:51PM
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nxtyrsfulltilts
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The Bunch still definitely sucks shit though.
Apr 13 2018 2:24PM
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chef_boyardee
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nxtyrsfulltiltsThe Bunch still definitely sucks shit though.
The Bunch: a ski crew where the two most prominent members are superunknown winners, and are undoubtedly extremely talented skiers
Most skiers: "lol the bunch suck, all they do is ski benches"
Apr 13 2018 2:50PM
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J_Christoph
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chef_boyardeeThe Bunch: a ski crew where the two most prominent members are superunknown winners, and are undoubtedly extremely talented skiers
Most skiers: "lol the bunch suck, all they do is ski benches"


Love this. Not a Bunch-type skier but fuck Bunch haters.
Apr 13 2018 3:48PM
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Mr.Front4
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Wait I’ve skied sugarbush parks for 6 years is it really the new wave central of the east lol.
Apr 13 2018 4:02PM
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jib_roni
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chef_boyardeeThe Bunch: a ski crew where the two most prominent members are superunknown winners, and are undoubtedly extremely talented skiers
Most skiers: "lol the bunch suck, all they do is ski benches"

They rip, but they weren’t what they are now when they won. They were both hands in pockets, tall tee wearing dudes when they won. The bunch is talented, their new wave style sucks.
Apr 13 2018 4:25PM
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corona
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Let's not confuse doing butters, shifties, and carving with being 'new wave'.
Apr 13 2018 4:29PM
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Govygen_gourmet
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IDK dude judging by all of your videos you're not a bad skier, i'm not an olympic judge or anything but you can pretty much shred
Apr 13 2018 4:37PM
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Thug_Scout
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Since when was heavy head and afterbang associated with being new wave? Your misinformed kid and delusional if you think new wave will make you a better skier.
Apr 13 2018 5:07PM
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JamaicanWeezer
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I like your style and your videos are entertaining.
Apr 13 2018 5:11PM
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a_burger
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jib_roniThey rip, but they weren’t what they are now when they won. They were both hands in pockets, tall tee wearing dudes when they won. The bunch is talented, their new wave style sucks.


not gonna lie those jump tricks from klappen Magnus posted the other day were some of my favorite shots he’s posted this year, shit was hood af
Apr 13 2018 6:01PM
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GSR
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Adidas track pants just look like shit and riding ON3P skis and Line Blends does not automatically make you good at buttering. The rocker and flex just accentuates it.

Why the fuck would you want to support a corporation like Adidas with a known track record of sweat shops and child labour in South East Asia.

Fuck that corporate noise.
Apr 13 2018 7:20PM
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-Dan
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jib_roniThey rip, but they weren’t what they are now when they won. They were both hands in pockets, tall tee wearing dudes when they won. The bunch is talented, their new wave style sucks.


You ever fall in love with an album when it drops? Listen to it a ton all summer and get really hyped on every dope memory you make to every song. You consider yourself a fan of the artist because obviously that was your favorite album. Fast forward 3 years and that artist is about to drop a new album they have been working on since they finished touring for their last album. You get so hyped up for it and then when it drops you don't really like it.

Turns out that over the course of 3 years they have changed and progressed as a person and that change is shown in their music. The good news is that the artist doesn't care what you think of their music. They made it for themselves and chose to share it for those who might appreciate it. Perhaps if you hadn't based your expectations for their future on your experiences with their past then you could have been one of the people to enjoy it too.

tl;dr you suck, not their skiing.
Apr 13 2018 7:21PM
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jib_roni
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-DanYou ever fall in love with an album when it drops? Listen to it a ton all summer and get really hyped on every dope memory you make to every song. You consider yourself a fan of the artist because obviously that was your favorite album. Fast forward 3 years and that artist is about to drop a new album they have been working on since they finished touring for their last album. You get so hyped up for it and then when it drops you don't really like it.

Turns out that over the course of 3 years they have changed and progressed as a person and that change is shown in their music. The good news is that the artist doesn't care what you think of their music. They made it for themselves and chose to share it for those who might appreciate it. Perhaps if you hadn't based your expectations for their future on your experiences with their past then you could have been one of the people to enjoy it too.

tl;dr you suck, not their skiing.

I never said their skiing sucks, I said the style sucks. I’ve never been a fan of it. I have always preferred a clean style. (Old hornbeck, Wallisch, Ahmet, delorme, etc). Don’t get me wrong, when they flex on the rail and press the hell out of it with their tails then bring it to their nose. Shit is masterful. It’s undoubted talent. There are just parts of their style that I don’t enjoy. (Excessive swerv, hand drag butter with landing but it looks like a fail, basically the stuff that just looks like they messed up, but just wants to put in clips.) Talent is a ten, style is a zero for me. That’s just my opinion though. That’s why they call it freestyle. You can do what YOU want and like.
Apr 13 2018 7:54PM
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milo-mcsenderson
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-DanYou ever fall in love with an album when it drops? Listen to it a ton all summer and get really hyped on every dope memory you make to every song. You consider yourself a fan of the artist because obviously that was your favorite album. Fast forward 3 years and that artist is about to drop a new album they have been working on since they finished touring for their last album. You get so hyped up for it and then when it drops you don't really like it.

Turns out that over the course of 3 years they have changed and progressed as a person and that change is shown in their music. The good news is that the artist doesn't care what you think of their music. They made it for themselves and chose to share it for those who might appreciate it. Perhaps if you hadn't based your expectations for their future on your experiences with their past then you could have been one of the people to enjoy it too.

tl;dr you suck, not their skiing.


Realist shit I've read in a long time. Always say this about music and definitely applies to some of the comments on style in skiing. If your music doesn't change people don't like it and say, 'it sounds the same as that album from 3 years ago,' change too much and people moan that it's too different.

But the bunch are great. Second only to that Health Gang.
Apr 13 2018 8:00PM
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r00kie
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Kinda new to the whole park thing (hence the username) and already determined new wave is NOT the way to go. I want to be able to actually ski park, not pretend to.
Apr 13 2018 8:42PM
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chef_boyardee
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r00kieKinda new to the whole park thing (hence the username) and already determined new wave is NOT the way to go. I want to be able to actually ski park, not pretend to.
I'm not sure if this a good way to think about skiing. Try not to confuse "new wave" with "no talent." The reason why new wave skiing has the reputation it has is because people tried to imitate the people who started it (basically kids trying to imitate the bunch, wabs,etc without having a solid foundation of skills). To me, the "new wave" is really just an arbitrary name people have given to experimentation/not giving a fuck, which is one of the most important aspects of skiing imo.
Apr 14 2018 12:09AM
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old.man.tibbles
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what's new wave?
Apr 14 2018 12:18AM
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nxtyrsfulltilts
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mr.tibbleswhat's new wave?

Skiing switch.
Apr 14 2018 12:27AM
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old.man.tibbles
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nxtyrsfulltiltsSkiing switch.


People do that now?
Apr 14 2018 12:33AM
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Trifes
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-DanYou ever fall in love with an album when it drops? Listen to it a ton all summer and get really hyped on every dope memory you make to every song. You consider yourself a fan of the artist because obviously that was your favorite album. Fast forward 3 years and that artist is about to drop a new album they have been working on since they finished touring for their last album. You get so hyped up for it and then when it drops you don't really like it.

Turns out that over the course of 3 years they have changed and progressed as a person and that change is shown in their music. The good news is that the artist doesn't care what you think of their music. They made it for themselves and chose to share it for those who might appreciate it. Perhaps if you hadn't based your expectations for their future on your experiences with their past then you could have been one of the people to enjoy it too.

tl;dr you suck, not their skiing.


aaay new wave skiing just became a moral political issue - skiings intense mane
Apr 14 2018 2:30AM
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corona
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chef_boyardeethe "new wave" is really just an arbitrary name people have given to experimentation/not giving a fuck


There's already a term and movement for that. It's called newschool skiing. Maybe you've heard of it. Every few years a new style comes out that everyone under 20 tries to copy. They've never needed to be named before and let's not start now with 'new wave'. It's just another newschool fad that will slowly die and be replaced just like any other in the past 20 years.

And to be honest they're not doing anything that different or creative or new. Butters, hand drags, and landing sideways have been around for years.

I think this fad is catching on so well since it's an easy way to cover up not being able to ski well, so everyone who can hit a rail but doesn't actually know how to ski is jumping on board.
Apr 14 2018 9:10AM
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Malcolm
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VinnieFThere's already a term and movement for that. It's called newschool skiing. Maybe you've heard of it. Every few years a new style comes out that everyone under 20 tries to copy. They've never needed to be named before and let's not start now with 'new wave'. It's just another newschool fad that will slowly die and be replaced just like any other in the past 20 years.

And to be honest they're not doing anything that different or creative or new. Butters, hand drags, and landing sideways have been around for years.

I think this fad is catching on so well since it's an easy way to cover up not being able to ski well, so everyone who can hit a rail but doesn't actually know how to ski is jumping on board.


New wave is a subculture within the subculture of newschool skiing. So it's like a subsubculture.
Apr 14 2018 11:24AM
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Johngreenacre
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Thug_ScoutSince when was heavy head and afterbang associated with being new wave? Your misinformed kid and delusional if you think new wave will make you a better skier.


Hahahah maybe I wasn't clear enough I was doing mad new wave shit though, so many shuffles
Apr 14 2018 11:44AM
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theabortionator
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This has nothing to do with new wave imo. Riding a better park/different park with better people will make you better. Also another year on the slopes, another season skiing park.

Fucking around and having fun is important to helping you progress and get the confidence up. Also if you're ever stagnant you can always find new lines, new tricks, etc.

You could have put a cowboy hat on and skied park with a lasso in hand bumping country classics and you would have gotten better this season.
Apr 14 2018 12:27PM
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patagucciplug
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Ride that swell brother
Apr 14 2018 12:57PM
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Johngreenacre
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JamaicanWeezerI like your style and your videos are entertaining.


Thanks man means a lot
Apr 14 2018 1:58PM
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clorox
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jib_roniThey rip, but they weren’t what they are now when they won. They were both hands in pockets, tall tee wearing dudes when they won. The bunch is talented, their new wave style sucks.


Magnus's superunknown seg and less seg were insane, but if anything, it seems the creativity of their filming for segments has changed more than the actual skiing. Watching slvsh games and Magnus's Klappen shots were fucking dope and it's clear he's progressed as a skier. One of my favorite edits ever was the LSM superunknown remix with So What by Miles Davis and he did all kinds of super creative stuff... If you want to change the direction skiing is going in, make the difference. If you want to keep seeing the same style of wearing 6XL trash bags and cotton dresses, then do that, but you'll need to be influential enough for people to like you and actually have something to say about your skiing.
Apr 14 2018 2:31PM
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clorox
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/781695/Superunknown-Remix--Lucas-St-aring-l-Madison-presents--quot-Fusion--quot--a-blend-of-ski--surf-and-jazzIdk why it didn't embed but here it is... In hindsight I'd say ahead of its time for being from 2012.
Apr 14 2018 2:37PM
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Lonely
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New wave tricks are fun. Im just not partial to the newave mentality.
Apr 14 2018 3:38PM
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mmccarthy81
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JohngreenacreSkiing bush is a very unique park experience. The feature density is insane, the lips are low and wide, and the feature creativity is out of this world. Its a skate park, not a slope course.


I just have way more fun skiing skatepark style parks over slope style type set ups. I skied PC and Brighton when I visited Utah this past season and found myself landing way more tricks and having way more fun at Brighton just because of the line potential and setup of their park. PC was kind of just one big feature after another with one or two possible lines top to bottom. There’s just so much more I can do with my skiing in a creativly set up park.
Apr 14 2018 3:42PM
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chef_boyardee
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LonelyNew wave tricks are fun. Im just not partial to the newave mentality.
Very interesting point. But I feel like the "true" mentality of new wave skiing, if there is such a thing, is not giving a fuck and trying weird creative tricks. Although the mentality a lot of people seems to be all about trying to imitate Magnus without actually having a foundation of skills, and that is definitely something I'm not partial to.
Apr 14 2018 8:02PM
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GritznGravy
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MalcolmNew wave is a subculture within the subculture of newschool skiing. So it's like a subsubculture.


For real tho. Skiing is such a small community. It would be very easy for things to become homogeneous and boring, without experimentation like that of The Bunch. I prefer certain styles of skiing, but I'm not upset that any of the others exist.
Apr 15 2018 1:16AM
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sklermang
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Trump administration socially engineered new wave to distract you from the FBI investigation of collusion with russia and obstruction of justice. If you can’t see that you’re part of the problem.
Apr 15 2018 10:19AM
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will.mack
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this is a very good post and new wave is the saviour of skiing
Apr 15 2018 7:20PM
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lil.Boye
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i kinda lost interest in new wave skiing. it's cool when they can mix it up tho. like Hugo Burvall. it's swervy, but not too swervy. Magnus is getting a bit too much for me.
Apr 16 2018 8:16AM
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Whiteout_
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While I definetly enjoy your skiing, I wouldn't consider your style of skiing "new wave". The only thing that matters is that you have some fun. Skiing can be done in so many ways, so stop limiting your skiing to some types of skiing and just ski the way you want to ski.
Apr 16 2018 3:28PM
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Johngreenacre
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lil.Boyei kinda lost interest in new wave skiing. it's cool when they can mix it up tho. like Hugo Burvall. it's swervy, but not too swervy. Magnus is getting a bit too much for me.


could not agree more. love Hugo, Emil, Knut, Joona, Antti, and all the guys who have good style and get creative, but are also clean and in control.

Whiteout_While I definetly enjoy your skiing, I wouldn't consider your style of skiing "new wave". The only thing that matters is that you have some fun. Skiing can be done in so many ways, so stop limiting your skiing to some types of skiing and just ski the way you want to ski.


I agree. I don't ski new wave when I'm filming, but my skiing ability has been influenced by fooling around with the new wave. Thanks for the compliment :)
Apr 17 2018 9:33PM
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skiguy04
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You’re probably new wave and you don’t want to be new wave

Now you have two options moving forward
Pack up and start super g or be new wave... your choice.

Pencil grind or die but can’t hate on straight airs all day if you got a leotard on; everyone likes being aerodynamic amirite?

Can’t lose... well you can but that’s new wave
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