Religion plays a sizeable role in the low levels of scientific literacy found in the United States, and the negative impact of religious factors is more substantial than gender, race, or income.
Can you be religious and not ignorant?
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lmmccIsn’t part of the point of (some) religion(s) to be tolerant to everybody? You know, the whole “love thy neighbor” sort of thing? I know some religious people can be really intolerant but in theory it should be the opposite.
Profahoben_212Source for anything you just said?
I would claim that I am rather scientifically literate......i would also claim that I am rather religious. Neither effects the other
Profahoben_212Source for anything you just said?
I would claim that I am rather scientifically literate......i would also claim that I am rather religious. Neither effects the other
IsitWinterYet17I think a lot of details and rules in various religions are fake. Also if you study religion, it is a fact that people turn to God when in times of need or when something unexplained happens. Hence why so many religions started thousands of years ago. Having said that, I do believe in God because where does the universe end? How was the universe started? I'm not talking about the big bang, but what came before the big bang. Our human minds are too simple to grasp anything that doesn't follow our basic rules of space and time. Current science doesn't explain these questions, so until then, I'll say fuck establishments but God is real.
Fyi there's a similar thread on this from a few months back.
IliveinutahWrong, Baptists for example follow the bible word for word and most believe in creationism and not evolution. Looking at carbon dating of just about anything shows the earth to be billions of years old not thousands. Is it fair to say that in following the bible directly is incompatible with scince and one must be wrong?
So your argument for God thrives in the far corners of what current science can explain, So you must know your belief is an ever reciding pocket of scientific ignorance.
BedBugDougthe first thing they teach you at science school is that if it can't be disproved then you can't say it doesn't exist or it isn't true. So basic science literacy would dictate that it is possible for god to exist.
mattybaumsIf you are scientifically literate then how do you explain the miracles and events in every religion that defy laws established by science?
skiermanPlease provide one example of an event that defied the established laws of science.
mattybaumsOk let's see....
1. 40 days and 40 nights with no food or water
2. Noah's flood
3. Jesus walking on water
I will be happy to list a lot more later I have to go for now :)
mattybaumsOk let's see....
1. 40 days and 40 nights with no food or water
2. Noah's flood
3. Jesus walking on water
I will be happy to list a lot more later I have to go for now :)
mattybaumsOk let's see....
1. 40 days and 40 nights with no food or water
2. Noah's flood
3. Jesus walking on water
I will be happy to list a lot more later I have to go for now :)
BedBugDougscience school
Iliveinutahcarbon dating of just about anything shows the earth to be billions of years old not thousands.
VinnieFIs that what kids call university these days?
IsitWinterYet17I think a lot of details and rules in various religions are fake. Also if you study religion, it is a fact that people turn to God when in times of need or when something unexplained happens. Hence why so many religions started thousands of years ago. Having said that, I do believe in God because where does the universe end? How was the universe started? I'm not talking about the big bang, but what came before the big bang. Our human minds are too simple to grasp anything that doesn't follow our basic rules of space and time. Current science doesn't explain these questions, so until then, I'll say fuck establishments but God is real.
Fyi there's a similar thread on this from a few months back.
VinnieFCarbon dating can only date back around 50,000 years.
BedBugDougthe first thing they teach you at science school is that if it can't be disproved then you can't say it doesn't exist or it isn't true. So basic science literacy would dictate that it is possible for god to exist.
K-Dot.Where on earth is this false, useless bit of information stemming from lol
a_pla5tic_bagNo that's not how this works. Indeed, you're supposed to provide evidence to show that the null hypothesis is false, which is what you've said. However, you need to have a testable system. God isn't testable, there's no way to evaluate whether the null or alternative hypothesis is true. This isn't something you can apply the scientific method to.
BedBugDougwoah, man, you can apply the scientific method to everything. Other than that, everything you said is true, and is in agreement with my claim. Which is that science can't prove god doesn't exist.
VinnieFNah you're totally wrong on this. There need to be testable predictions to follow the scientific method and science in general.
VinnieFNah you're totally wrong on this. There need to be testable predictions to follow the scientific method and science in general.
AomameYou fall victim to your own words, only turning to God when there's something mysterious can't be explained. Seems to me the point of religion was to unquestioningly believe that God did those things, regardless of what other explanations exist. Pretty sure they don't want you to flip flop around depending on what has evidence based explanations for it.
VinnieFAre you serious?
It comes from my scientifically educated mind. Turns out I listened in several of my geology classes.
How far back exactly do you think it can date material? Before you look like a total jackass I would suggest you use your friend Google.
K-Dot.Carbon dating can go farther back than 50,000 years, but my main issue with your post was how irrelevant it was. Radiometric dating, which carbon dating is a form of, can take us back billions of years. The earth is provably billions of years old, disputing OP's poor choice of words makes it appear as if that isn't fact
mattybaumsIf you are scientifically literate then how do you explain the miracles and events in every religion that defy laws established by science?
Scientific literacy definitely correlates with less of an association with religion, unless you decide to ignore certain parts of science or certain parts of your religion in order to make both work for you which is fine.
VinnieFReally? Cause you said that carbon dating going back 50000 years is false. Which it isn't.
You fucked up. It's fine.
Me pointing out that carbon dating doesn't go back billions of years does nothing to undermine the fact that other dating methods do go back that far and that the Earth is indeed that old. It's just correcting a mistake many people make, you included.
Bushdid9_11Actually carbon dating goes back around two to three hundred million years, but we have no proof of anything existing before that giving many scientist a reason to beleive that the earth, at least in its current form, could not have existed before then.
theabortionatorI read this as "Dogs Becoming scientifically literate expel religion?"
Yeah yeah i get that I'm an idiot. I was very confused on no mention of dogs in OP or rest of thread. Now at least I have the answers I need to go on living.
theabortionatorI read this as "Dogs Becoming scientifically literate expel religion?"
Yeah yeah i get that I'm an idiot. I was very confused on no mention of dogs in OP or rest of thread. Now at least I have the answers I need to go on living.
harkenbanksI would understand if dogs turned out to know all the "Religious" Truths of the world
mattybaumsLol to everyone reading my post and thinking I'm crazy you need to read what I'm referring to. I'm arguing those events are absurd and cannot be proven by science. I believe scientific literary leads to less religion
i worded it wrong you guys quoted me without seeing what I was quoting...
**This post was edited on Apr 6th 2018 at 5:34:40pm
skiermanYou're a fucking pussy to not stand behind your own words. Also you're referring to the Bible: the most well-known and least proven document in human history. You can change your NS name to try to hide the fact that you grew up in the UT bubble of religion, but you're doing a massive disservice to yourself by embracing that bubble and cutting yourself off to basic rationale, science and understanding of everything around you. That's fucking insane especially in the time of the most easily accessible and massive database of knowledge in the existence of humanity.
I'm sorry but you are fucking pathetic.
mattybaumsAre you fucking retarded I've been an atheist since I was 8 years old. You asked me if I could name something in religion that defies science so I named 3 which everyone for some reason thought I was naming things that "disprove science" or something. Literally we are on the same side here I got confused and thought you were trying to argue with me that science and religion don't contradict which I apologize for but then everyone got confused when I was trying to argue that science disproves all those miracles in the Bible. Literally you don't need to be a fucking asshole about it though I'm an average fucking teenager that has to go to school with hundreds of bible thumping lunatics and I thought "oh this thread looks like a nice place to hangout with some similar thinkers" but I guess not.