Playful 50/50 ski with 100-110mm waist

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The black crows Atris and the 109er (forgot the name sorry) would be good options to consider

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LibTech - UFO100
floaty, perfect for jibs and lightweight.

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ON3P Kartel 108 181 is really stable and playful, can ski switch, charges hard, floats in pow, and spins pretty well. I believe ON3P is offering a touring layup when their new line drops in April, but I'm not sure the details.

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I've spent a good bit of time on both skis, and put some comparisons below. In short, the more you're concerned with spinning, skiing switch, and overall playfulness, the more the CT 3.0 makes sense. The SD 104 is a bit more stable at speed, and definitely more directional. Might also be worth checking out the Liberty Origin 106, which is kind of a mix between the two, though it's more soft-snow oriented than both.

CT 3.0:
- very poppy, easy to flex into both tips and tails to jump off stuff
- not as stable in variable snow — it's light, and it feels like it
- prefers centered stance
- skis switch great
- decent carver, but not as comfortable carving tighter / smaller turns compared to SD 104

Sick Day 104
- more directional — you'll get the most out of the ski when driving the font, and its tail is noticeably stiffer than its tips
- still poppy, but not as energetic as CT 3.0
- More stable in variable snow than CT 3.0
- not great for skiing switch (not a twin)
- Carves quite well on soft and / or consistent groomers.
- better at carving a variety of turn shapes than CT 3.0

Keep an eye out for reviews on both these skis on Blister in the coming weeks.

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powpatrolThe black crows Atris and the 109er (forgot the name sorry) would be good options to consider

Corvus right? Looks dope. http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/black-crows-corvus-freebird

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mystery3Corvus right? Looks dope. http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/black-crows-corvus-freebird

Yeah that’s the one,did you mean to link the freebird version?

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powpatrolYeah that’s the one,did you mean to link the freebird version?

Both are covered in the review. I didn’t search around too much. Probably not a playful enough ski for OP? But a lot of folks have been discussing charger type skis lately and I've been researching something bigger and more directional than my current ARV 96 so I've been reading a lot.

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kartel 108 mabey? or the magnus 102 when it comes out lol

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Black Crows has multiple skis that fit your needs if you are willing to go on the skinny side of your requirements (Camox 97mm, Daemon 99mm, and Navis 102mm). If you want a wider waist they have a good range of big moutain skis (Atris 108mm, and Corvus 109mm) although they but are probably less playful based upon what friends have told me. Most of Black Crow’s line are skiable switch.

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mystery3Both are covered in the review. I didn’t search around too much. Probably not a playful enough ski for OP? But a lot of folks have been discussing charger type skis lately and I've been researching something bigger and more directional than my current ARV 96 so I've been reading a lot.

oh my bad,didn’t scroll far enough.
I agree that the ski might not be playful enough so atris sounds better for OP

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Thanx a lot for your input guys. Unfortunately it's hard to buy US indie or custom brands (i'm talking about on3p, liberty, kitten factory) in my country. Also it will be very expensive to deliver them because of customs duties. So I need to stick with something available for cheap in europe during end season sale. If I find on3p cheap deal I will try to buy.

Libtech - I wasn't impress at all with magnitraction. I tried some wider UFOs.
On3p kartel - quite heavy
Black crows corvus freebird - very interesting ski, but according to reviews it's a charger ski, that want to ski down, not jump and pop from everything. probably not my kind. this opinion is based only on reviews I've read.
black crows atris - will check that ski

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severniyThanx a lot for your input guys. Unfortunately it's hard to buy US indie or custom brands (i'm talking about on3p, liberty, kitten factory) in my country. Also it will be very expensive to deliver them because of customs duties. So I need to stick with something available for cheap in europe during end season sale. If I find on3p cheap deal I will try to buy.

Libtech - I wasn't impress at all with magnitraction. I tried some wider UFOs.
On3p kartel - quite heavy
Black crows corvus freebird - very interesting ski, but according to reviews it's a charger ski, that want to ski down, not jump and pop from everything. probably not my kind. this opinion is based only on reviews I've read.
black crows atris - will check that ski

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Goodluck and have fun!

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severniyThanx a lot for your input guys. Unfortunately it's hard to buy US indie or custom brands (i'm talking about on3p, liberty, kitten factory) in my country. Also it will be very expensive to deliver them because of customs duties. So I need to stick with something available for cheap in europe during end season sale. If I find on3p cheap deal I will try to buy.

Libtech - I wasn't impress at all with magnitraction. I tried some wider UFOs.
On3p kartel - quite heavy
Black crows corvus freebird - very interesting ski, but according to reviews it's a charger ski, that want to ski down, not jump and pop from everything. probably not my kind. this opinion is based only on reviews I've read.
black crows atris - will check that ski

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Kartels arnt that heavy

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I think Line Sakanas could be down your alley if you don't mind going fully directional. From those in this forum that have tried it, I've heard they are stable, turn quickly, float in pow, and are very light despite all that. You will have to wait until this fall to buy them though; not sure what the situation is in regards to demoing.

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Cade2Kartels arnt that heavy

-650g per pair in comparison to line and faction

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The issue of super light skis is that they are great for touring but get bucked around in variable terrain when skiing resorts. Good descriptions of the CT 3.0 and Sick Day above and you will find same on most skis-heavier ones are more stable and lighter ones don’t love crud.

The Armada ARV 116 will be lighter and stiffer next year so you might like it better and the Black Crows Atris is a nice playful ski similar to the ARV 106.

The obvious choice for a good mix of light weight and decent resort performance is the Atomic Backland series which is what the Atomic Switch bindings are being demoed with all the time. Bent Chetler 100 would be the lightweight freestyle version and even the Bent Chetler 120 will be in the 1700gram range next year. All superlight skis that are good at the resort, although again not great through crop like a heavier ski will be. No free lunch I’m afraid.

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severniy-650g per pair in comparison to line and faction

If you r worried about the weight of your skis , go to tgr where people actually give a shit

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I don't know if RMUs are hard to get where you're at but I know they sponsor some euro people.

Either way, give the apostle 106 a look, I have the 105s and they're a terrific do everything ski and they're super light for their size. They've also been super durable for park so far

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Greg_KThe issue of super light skis is that they are great for touring but get bucked around in variable terrain when skiing resorts. Good descriptions of the CT 3.0 and Sick Day above and you will find same on most skis-heavier ones are more stable and lighter ones don’t love crud.

The Armada ARV 116 will be lighter and stiffer next year so you might like it better and the Black Crows Atris is a nice playful ski similar to the ARV 106.

The obvious choice for a good mix of light weight and decent resort performance is the Atomic Backland series which is what the Atomic Switch bindings are being demoed with all the time. Bent Chetler 100 would be the lightweight freestyle version and even the Bent Chetler 120 will be in the 1700gram range next year. All superlight skis that are good at the resort, although again not great through crop like a heavier ski will be. No free lunch I’m afraid.

Curious about the Bent 100. The 120 is too wide to quiver of one. Nice deep day ski. Also the backland got changed for next year. What's it like?

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ucberzerkeleyCurious about the Bent 100. The 120 is too wide to quiver of one. Nice deep day ski. Also the backland got changed for next year. What's it like?

Backland 107-very light so great for touring but will sacrifice resort performance for that.
One of the few damp but super light resort ski would be the Head Kore 105 but it’s a directional, non twin.

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Greg_KBackland 107-very light so great for touring but will sacrifice resort performance for that.
One of the few damp but super light resort ski would be the Head Kore 105 but it’s a directional, non twin.

You know how light? Seems super interesting. The 109 in 189 was like high 1900s (1970g) according to Blister.

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ucberzerkeleyYou know how light? Seems super interesting. The 109 in 189 was like high 1900s (1970g) according to Blister.

1600 grams in a 189 for the 2019 Backland 107. Super light

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Greg_K1600 grams in a 189 for the 2019 Backland 107. Super light

Holy what?! That's black diamond Helio / volkl BMT light. Imagine it is really soft snow biased at that weight. That's a feather

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Mos def check out the on3p kartel 108s, line sir Francis bacon, sego big horn 106s and the Icelantic nomad 105s. I've demoed them all and they were all a lot of fun.

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Good review got posted today on the Sick Day 104.

Personally I can't decide between it at the Raven 190. Guess I don't know myself well enough anymore. Camber used to be life but now I value throwing skis sideways at a moment notice and slarving immediately. Sigh.

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ucberzerkeleyGood review got posted today on the Sick Day 104.

Personally I can't decide between it at the Raven 190. Guess I don't know myself well enough anymore. Camber used to be life but now I value throwing skis sideways at a moment notice and slarving immediately. Sigh.

Totally different skis-Sick Day is a fun all mountain ski with average weight( what you want in a 50/50 ski) and the Raven is a very light, total rocker touring ski which will get bucked around on the resort like all other light touring skis will and be mediocre on harder snow.

Any ski with a decent amount of tip/tail rocker would be able to slave on demand but the camber underneath would still offer decent hard snow performance. Most of the skis listed by others in this thread is what I would lean towards-good all mountain skis that aren't heavy but not super light so you still get decent performance on rougher snow in the resort.

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Greg_KTotally different skis-Sick Day is a fun all mountain ski with average weight( what you want in a 50/50 ski) and the Raven is a very light, total rocker touring ski which will get bucked around on the resort like all other light touring skis will and be mediocre on harder snow.

Any ski with a decent amount of tip/tail rocker would be able to slave on demand but the camber underneath would still offer decent hard snow performance. Most of the skis listed by others in this thread is what I would lean towards-good all mountain skis that aren't heavy but not super light so you still get decent performance on rougher snow in the resort.

Agree totally different skis but the 190 Raven weighs more than the 186 Sick Day.

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ucberzerkeleyAgree totally different skis but the 190 Raven weighs more than the 186 Sick Day.

The 184cm Raven is 1750g and 186cm Sick Day 104 which is a light all mountain ski is just under 1900g but would feel more solid on uneven terrain because of its profile and damping.

Both are too light for crud busting but their light weight would be good for touring. Still think a ski like Sick Day 104 is more versatile overall.

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Greg_KThe 184cm Raven is 1750g and 186cm Sick Day 104 which is a light all mountain ski is just under 1900g but would feel more solid on uneven terrain because of its profile and damping.

Both are too light for crud busting but their light weight would be good for touring. Still think a ski like Sick Day 104 is more versatile overall.

I'm not the best when it comes to correlating ski shape to performance on snow. I thought that a long turn radius aka very straight ski like the Raven would handle uneven terrain better? What about the SD profile and damping will handle uneven better? Can you teach me?

Crud busting is not one of the reqreuiements heh

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ucberzerkeleyI'm not the best when it comes to correlating ski shape to performance on snow. I thought that a long turn radius aka very straight ski like the Raven would handle uneven terrain better? What about the SD profile and damping will handle uneven better? Can you teach me?

Crud busting is not one of the reqreuiements heh

You are correct that having high turning radius and less tip tail taper is better for not “catching” in crud and both skis have very little tip/tail taper. The problem is the high turning radius in the Raven vs the multi radius one in the SD, kinda limits you more to longer/higher speed turns on the Raven while the SD is still stable at high speed but is happy doing shorter turns at slower speeds too. Going through crud is best done while you’re on edge(in a turn) so the SD just gives more flexibility in various conditions to change turn shape.

The rocker profile on the Raven also favors the SD when it comes to harder snow as it has more Camber to bite into it. Steep, icy chutes would be more fun on the SD I think. Lol

SD has a lightweight tip and soft flex up front along with some cap/sidewall mixed construction to better absorb shocks like rough terrain/crud which makes it ski like it’s heavier than it is. Resort skis as a rule have more dampening materials or heavier wood types than touring ones as it adds weight which is not wanted in a touring ski.

Read both reviews on Blister Gear of these 2 skis and you will see how they think the Raven is a touring ski that is better than most touring skis if used on a resort vs the Sick Day 104 which is a lighter weight resort ski that could be used for touring. So, unless you’re doing almost nothing but touring, the SD would be the more versatile choice.

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