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Demo bindings or no? Tyrolia Attack 13s.

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fuzzybabybunny
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I'm thinking about getting a pair of Tyrolia Attack 13 demo bindings. I've heard that demos are way heavier than regular ones but I guess I'm confused on why.

My regular Marker bindings can come off by sliding them off their short rails. Aren't demo bindings just regular bindings, but with much longer rails to allow for more boot adjustments? If that's the case, why would they be much heavier, introduce more flex, and sit way higher than regular bindings?

EDIT: Oh wait, no, nevermind. I just looked more closely at my Markers and there is a short rail for the back binding, but the *front* binding is mounted directly into the ski. Hmmmm... well, still not sure whether to get demo bindings or regular bindings. I've skied on both types, but the demos were on a big burly ski while the regulars where on a light playful one, so it's not a good comparison.

**This thread was edited on Mar 9th 2018 at 3:09:37pm
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freeballer
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Like you found, they are heavier because the toe and heel slide over a track, which gives the adjustability for the binding. Some demo bindings suck balls and some are pretty decent. The Tyrolia 13 demo binding is pretty solid given the moving parts not found on the retail version. I have a set with them and ski them a lot, and have no problems with them. Other older demo bindings are pretty shitty and you start to get a lot of extra movement in the toe and heel.
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freeskibum82
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the nice thing about the aattack 13 demo is it really doesnt add much weight and you can move your boot center on the ski by moving the toe and heel back or forward. The other benefit of demos is if you have multiple pairs of skis you could just get another set of the tracks and swap the heel and toe over easily.
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JahAndNicotene
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I have always toyed with the idea because it would be fun to experiment with the feel of the ski, with your boot center at different points. Also all your friends can ride your skis!
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fuzzybabybunny
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Thanks for the advice. I ended up ordering some new Tyrolia Attack 13s with demo rails. I realized that the demo rails have another really important feature - when I was travelling with my skis it was really helpful to be able to completely remove all the bindings and be able to stack my skis together. In this way I was able to fit more stuff into my ski bag without the bindings acting as weird protrusions in the middle of the bag.

The demo binds I had were the Marker Griffons. Their demo rails are very very low profile, completely flat, and of consistent height throughout the ski, so my skis could stack together very well.

Are the rails on the Tyrolias also the same? Or is the back rail of a different size compared to the front rail?

I checked out some Look Axial 2 and Salomon z12 demo bindings and their tracks are MASSIVE and really high compared to the Marker ones. The front rails were also way different from the back ones.
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Rum_Ham
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Pretty sure the attack is the lowest demo binding on the market. I mounted a set on some of my skis and they ski the same as my regular attack 13s. Rear demo track is maybe 3/4 of an inch high but the heel piece sits inside of it so the stand height is lower.
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cjohns716
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Resurrecting this. If you had a choice between super cheap, one year old 13 demos (that are fully compatible as I understand) or new Attack 14 AT's for $150 which would you go with? Obviously looking to go as cheap as I can, but don't want to give up a ton in performance.

Thank you!
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Non_State_Actor
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cjohns716Resurrecting this. If you had a choice between super cheap, one year old 13 demos (that are fully compatible as I understand) or new Attack 14 AT's for $150 which would you go with? Obviously looking to go as cheap as I can, but don't want to give up a ton in performance.

Thank you!


You only want the 14ATs if you're looking to run WTR or other rockered soles, otherwise the stack height and weight penalties are too great in my opinion. What size brakes do you need? You should be able to come close to that price for a new set of Attack2 13GW. How cheap are the used demos? Significantly cheaper? Like between 75 and 100?
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cjohns716
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mystery3You only want the 14ATs if you're looking to run WTR or other rockered soles, otherwise the stack height and weight penalties are too great in my opinion. What size brakes do you need? You should be able to come close to that price for a new set of Attack2 13GW. How cheap are the used demos? Significantly cheaper? Like between 75 and 100?


I'm hoping to get into touring soon, so I was looking at things that are fully compatible with any boot sole like the Wardens or the Attack 14s so I can use whatever boots with these skis. Need 110 brakes (106 underfoot). And yes I found some demos for 75.
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Non_State_Actor
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cjohns716I'm hoping to get into touring soon, so I was looking at things that are fully compatible with any boot sole like the Wardens or the Attack 14s so I can use whatever boots with these skis. Need 110 brakes (106 underfoot). And yes I found some demos for 75.

I just switched from Attack 13 to the 16AT for the same reason. They're fine, and I had the brakes already.
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cjohns716
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mystery3I just switched from Attack 13 to the 16AT for the same reason. They're fine, and I had the brakes already.

Ya, honestly, I don't think I'm good enough that I'd notice a difference. Leaning towards the cheap demos, since the demo 13's are fully compatible.
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FreddoBumps
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I’ve got a pair of Attack 13 AT demo bindings that I’m trying to make work with Atomic Ultra Hawx XTD, and I’m having trouble. I understood these to be WTR compatible and they have the sliding AFD. Any tips related to toe height adjustment?

Edit: it helps if the toe piece is properly seated on the track. 🤦🏻‍♂️

**This post was edited on Feb 13th 2019 at 3:06:12pm
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ModeloTime
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fuzzybabybunnyI'm thinking about getting a pair of Tyrolia Attack 13 demo bindings. I've heard that demos are way heavier than regular ones but I guess I'm confused on why.

My regular Marker bindings can come off by sliding them off their short rails. Aren't demo bindings just regular bindings, but with much longer rails to allow for more boot adjustments? If that's the case, why would they be much heavier, introduce more flex, and sit way higher than regular bindings?

EDIT: Oh wait, no, nevermind. I just looked more closely at my Markers and there is a short rail for the back binding, but the *front* binding is mounted directly into the ski. Hmmmm... well, still not sure whether to get demo bindings or regular bindings. I've skied on both types, but the demos were on a big burly ski while the regulars where on a light playful one, so it's not a good comparison.

**This thread was edited on Mar 9th 2018 at 3:09:37pm


DONT BUY DEMOS
My dads a rep for majesty skis so he gets a bunch of demo skis and they all have tyrolia attack 13 demos. I’ve skied most of em and I’ll say they suck unless your just carving, heavy as shit, dins don’t keep you in sending jumps and the look stupid as fuck. Unless you are a dad who loves turns don’t buy em.
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Shit I’m an idiot, my dad has look spx 12 demos, very different then the tyrolia attacks

**This post was edited on Apr 8th 2019 at 10:33:20am
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freeskibum82
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SwervemanguyDONT BUY DEMOS
My dads a rep for majesty skis so he gets a bunch of demo skis and they all have tyrolia attack 13 demos. I’ve skied most of em and I’ll say they suck unless your just carving, heavy as shit, dins don’t keep you in sending jumps and the look stupid as fuck. Unless you are a dad who loves turns don’t buy em.


sounds like someone doesnt know how to adjust a binding. The attacks have a very minimal track for the demo binding and do not add much weight to the ski at all.

Please enlighten me with how this binding plate adds that much weight and "look stupid as fuck"


**This post was edited on Apr 8th 2019 at 10:30:49am
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ModeloTime
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freeskibum82sounds like someone doesnt know how to adjust a binding. The attacks have a very minimal track for the demo binding and do not add much weight to the ski at all.


Boy I know more about skiing then Bob Marley does weed, just don’t buy demos and don’t call me out. They aren’t complete shit but you would be happier getting a binding that just fits your boot, no need to adjust.
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freeskibum82
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SwervemanguyBoy I know more about skiing then Bob Marley does weed, just don’t buy demos and don’t call me out. They aren’t complete shit but you would be happier getting a binding that just fits your boot, no need to adjust.


im not your boy, pal.... i like your lil flex in saying your dad reps for a small ski brand so that instantly means you have cred...
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ModeloTime
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freeskibum82im not your boy, pal.... i like your lil flex in saying your dad reps for a small ski brand so that instantly means you have cred...


You are my boy, pal. Didn’t mean to flex on ya with the rep thing but if you wanna get offended go for it, trying to give insight and recommendation but obviously I was confused. You don’t seem to be the joking type so I’ll be more serious next time. You still crusty tho.
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shin-bang
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Swervemanguyyou would be happier getting a binding that just fits your boot, no need to adjust.


I think im gonna have to jump in here and call you out too.

what are you trying to say in this statement?^^^^^^^^^^

ALL bindings that are mounted on a ski have to be adjusted before you can ride them. """no need to adjust"""??????? demo bindings would have the same principle. you set them once, then ride them. still not sure what you were trying to convey when you said that.

Having ridden the attack demos I honestly didn't mind them. If price is seriously an issue then yes, i wouldn't hesitate in snagging them for 75$. Attack demos are probably the only demos that i would even consider riding.
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ModeloTime
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shin-bangI think im gonna have to jump in here and call you out too.

what are you trying to say in this statement?^^^^^^^^^^

ALL bindings that are mounted on a ski have to be adjusted before you can ride them. """no need to adjust"""??????? demo bindings would have the same principle. you set them once, then ride them. still not sure what you were trying to convey when you said that.

Having ridden the attack demos I honestly didn't mind them. If price is seriously an issue then yes, i wouldn't hesitate in snagging them for 75$. Attack demos are probably the only demos that i would even consider riding.


Damn bro everyone so hostile, I feel like the look spx 12 demos I rode are different cuz I can’t find anything that looks like em. All I’m saying is that the bindings I rode are big and heavy with a very large adjust scale, I’m talking like big foot could ride it and still have extra space and a little boy could clip in and shred. And yes pretty much all bindings can be moved but only a small amount. I don’t see a point in any demo bindings for personal use, if you have multiple people riding them with different boots than go for it.
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Never skied attacks

**This post was edited on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:46:54pm



These are the bindings I’m talking about^^^
you can see the very extensive track in the back.

**This post was edited on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:51:25pm
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