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Stiff skis

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ezav
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I'm looking for some stiffer and wider skis for next season. i'm 6'1 160lbs and they're mainly for park, but I also want to reliably shred on groomers and some occasional pow. my last pair were 170 icelantic danollies with 95 underfoot so they were ideal for that, but because of their current condition i'm going to retire them. also, im not super advanced in the park and i won't be doing anything too crazy, but i'd still prefer some more durable skis (so not really looking at line). budget isn't really an issue since i'll be trying to find whatever skis i decide on used, and i'm gonna be looking for something longer than 170 this time. any suggestions?
Mar 8 2018 9:40PM
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Gnar_Shralp406
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the Nomad 105 would be a good next step from the DaNollie if you dig Icelantic. the Gypsy SKNY would also be dope and really fun to ski on. other than that, Kartel 108, Enforcer 110 (mounted around 5 back from center), K2 Marksman will be fun and playful, definitely better on soft snow that hard pack.
Mar 8 2018 11:27PM
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zachjordan
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Take a look at k2 poachers
Mar 9 2018 7:44AM
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ezav
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Gnar_Shralp406the Nomad 105 would be a good next step from the DaNollie if you dig Icelantic. the Gypsy SKNY would also be dope and really fun to ski on. other than that, Kartel 108, Enforcer 110 (mounted around 5 back from center), K2 Marksman will be fun and playful, definitely better on soft snow that hard pack.


Thanks for the input. Could you also recommend any narrower skis? I'm not super pressed on wide skis (especially since im on the ice coast) but thats just what im used to. The main thing im looking for is stiffness so underfoot doesn't matter too much. i would still prefer something more in the mid range of width (between 90 and 100ish), but could go beyond that in some cases.
Mar 9 2018 2:11PM
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Gnar_Shralp406
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ezavThanks for the input. Could you also recommend any narrower skis? I'm not super pressed on wide skis (especially since im on the ice coast) but thats just what im used to. The main thing im looking for is stiffness so underfoot doesn't matter too much. i would still prefer something more in the mid range of width (between 90 and 100ish), but could go beyond that in some cases.


I really don't know many stiff all mountain skis in that width class. If you want stiff in that waist width, it likely won't have a twin tip. You say you're not super advanced in the park and won't be doing anything crazy, but want a stiff ski that will charge and will mainly be used in the park (am I understanding you correctly?). So the question is, do you want a park ski, or a charging ski? Because it's tough to have both with one ski. Also, how stiff are we talking?
Mar 9 2018 2:43PM
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ezav
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Gnar_Shralp406I really don't know many stiff all mountain skis in that width class. If you want stiff in that waist width, it likely won't have a twin tip. You say you're not super advanced in the park and won't be doing anything crazy, but want a stiff ski that will charge and will mainly be used in the park (am I understanding you correctly?). So the question is, do you want a park ski, or a charging ski? Because it's tough to have both with one ski. Also, how stiff are we talking?


Im looking for a park ski that can still hold up on groomers, at high speeds, etc. That's pretty subjective i guess and I dont really have any numbers to describe the stiffness, but just to put it into perspective ive had line tigersnakes that i found to be pretty rough and unstable on groomers, while my danollies were a significant improvement. If there isnt a good compromise between all mountain and park versatility, then I'l just be looking at park skis of any width that aren't too buttery/flexy. to help with stability, I'll just get longer skis than i'm used to. Idk if that clears it up, as you can probably tell i dont know much about skis.
Mar 9 2018 3:13PM
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-eREKTion-
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Moment PB&J
Mar 9 2018 3:23PM
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Cade2
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poachers in a 184, dont go lower than 177 honestly its dangerous
Mar 9 2018 3:29PM
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RudyGarmisch
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You should honestly just post your used options and have NS duke it out on whats best. There are too many skis that fit what you want.
Mar 9 2018 11:46PM
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SammyDubz
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Gnar_Shralp406the Nomad 105 would be a good next step from the DaNollie if you dig Icelantic. the Gypsy SKNY would also be dope and really fun to ski on. other than that, Kartel 108, Enforcer 110 (mounted around 5 back from center), K2 Marksman will be fun and playful, definitely better on soft snow that hard pack.


Nomad 105s are the complete opposite of stiff...
Mar 10 2018 2:16AM
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Gnar_Shralp406
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SammyDubzNomad 105s are the complete opposite of stiff...


Yes, but they'd be stiffer than OP's previous skis. He's looking for a ski that is capable in the park and around the mountain.
Mar 10 2018 5:51AM
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ezav
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RudyGarmischYou should honestly just post your used options and have NS duke it out on whats best. There are too many skis that fit what you want.


i haven't found any specific used options, but I'm mainly looking at k2 poachers rn. As i come across stuff on the bst forums i'll add them to this post
Mar 10 2018 10:09AM
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japanada
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Another vote for the poachers
Mar 10 2018 10:34AM
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Cyanicenine
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ON3P Kartel 98 sounds right. I also want a stiffer fatter park ski, but they are hard to find. I don't like the poacher because it has so little effective edge. The blends have a great shape and good effective edge but they are noodles. Everything I've heard about Kartels sounds perfect, but for the $$$. I don't know much about them, but I've been eyeing the volkl revolt, might be a more affordable candidate, 95 waist with a more traditional shape. I don't know what the flex is though, they claim to be stable and playful at the same time, so that could mean anything, looks like they have a pretty beefy camber zone at least.
Mar 10 2018 3:36PM
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Rum_Ham
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Pb&js would be perfect for you
Mar 10 2018 6:46PM
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ezav
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CyanicenineON3P Kartel 98 sounds right. I also want a stiffer fatter park ski, but they are hard to find. I don't like the poacher because it has so little effective edge. The blends have a great shape and good effective edge but they are noodles. Everything I've heard about Kartels sounds perfect, but for the $$$. I don't know much about them, but I've been eyeing the volkl revolt, might be a more affordable candidate, 95 waist with a more traditional shape. I don't know what the flex is though, they claim to be stable and playful at the same time, so that could mean anything, looks like they have a pretty beefy camber zone at least.


On3p is a bit too pricey for me even used. Ive been looking at the revolt 95 also. ive heard that its pretty soft and flexy, but i may be mistaken. If i cant find a good alternative, i might just buy a longer pair of danollies. Ns seems to have a bunch of them.
Mar 10 2018 9:34PM
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ezav
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Rum_HamPb&js would be perfect for you


Most moment skis are also too pricey used. There arent too many options on ns, and those that ive seen are a bit too expensive. That might just be me, since i got my danollies dirt cheap so now my expectations are high
Mar 10 2018 9:37PM
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Greg_K
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ezavOn3p is a bit too pricey for me even used. Ive been looking at the revolt 95 also. ive heard that its pretty soft and flexy, but i may be mistaken. If i cant find a good alternative, i might just buy a longer pair of danollies. Ns seems to have a bunch of them.


The Revolt 95 is nice and stiff underfoot for decent hard snow performance with softer tip/tails to make it more playful. Very good all mountain ski and a great ski for the money. The 181cm on eBay for $299 right now.

New 2018/2019 ON3P Kartel 96 coming out soon so places with stock on the 2017/18 Kartel 98 will be discounting prices.
Mar 11 2018 12:08AM
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