People hating on Magnus, is he bad or is his style just way different?

BenWhiti'm not sure that was a great edit to make your case. that was 3:00 of swerving, that just so happened to be outside the park. probably another :45 of useless partying b-roll. and, another :15 of skiing that showcased legitimate talent. watching that made me uncomfortable.

then I made my case since it was talent beyond swerving around in the park. which 15 seconds did you consider talented?

here is bmack skiing a park in 2011 just for your enjoyment.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/896743/soulskiing

Siver Voll is one of my favorite skiers right now. He has a new wave kind of look and style, but he is so fucking smooth. https://instagram.com/p/BfgePe_jc2m/

This whole time I thought I was “free”skiing! Why did nobody tell me about all these rules about kit choices and riding styles?!?

.FrySiver Voll is one of my favorite skiers right now. He has a new wave kind of look and style, but he is so fucking smooth. https://instagram.com/p/BfgePe_jc2m/

Agreed, Siver is definitely one of my favorite skiers who has great style, looks smooth, and does insane tech tricks making them look effortless!

It takes so much talent to be able to do some of the stunts these guys are doing. Just go out and try some of these tricks and make it look as good as they do. LSM is one of the most talented skiers I have ever witnessed. His slvsh game with payben the back slide back surface was one of the most ridiculous rail tricks I've ever seen. As for the flailing arms part, I dont really see any flailing? Mostly just using more of the body to do things on purpose than people used before. People probably hated on tall ts and such just as much as you guys are hating on the "new wave". Skiing would also get pretty boring to watch if everyone looked the same while doing it. The bunch are a revolutionary group of skiers, people will just always fight change.

-Danthen I made my case since it was talent beyond swerving around in the park. which 15 seconds did you consider talented?

here is bmack skiing a park in 2011 just for your enjoyment.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/896743/soulskiing

That edit is one of my all time favorites. I only find myself liking about 40% of his content now.

People will always find a reason to hate on a certain type of skier or style of skier. We've all seen the threads hating on the OG super baggy style saying things like "oh they only do k-feds and afterbang super hard. they suck!" or shit like "all these white kids are just trying to look like gangster rappers wearing giant clothes and throwing up gangs signs". Or how about the threads hating on comp skiers with people saying shit "oh they have no style. I don't like watching them ski" or "oh that persons such a comp jock he only skis to win comps" and these threads are pages long with debates on what's better. This in honestly just another one of those threads and we will probably see another one in a year or two about some new trend that hasn't even started yet.
Whether or not like you like this so called "new wave" style there are people who are absolutely killing it. The Bunch has some of the most watched videos out rn and is so popular because they emulate the true freedom skiing gives all of us and their videos inspire others to pursue their own style of skiing without feeling like the only way to be accepted is to go out and learn all 8 or both way dubs or pump out the same tricks people have been doing for over a decade. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't go out and learn actual tricks because they should because it makes them a better skier, but I will agree it can be ridiculous when you see kids who can hardly finish a rail out swerve turning thru the park in their tracksuit on a pair of on3p, cause thats not really progression.
All of the Bunch dudes absolutely kill it whether you like it or not (did yall forget the zermatt edit where Bmack did blind cork 6 and 8 safety out of a flat up rail into a bombhole of slush?). People have style because of their ability to hit a feature and execute a trick in a manner that makes it look easy and effortless. This can only happen with skill and ability. While they may not always be the most technical of tricks it takes a certain level of skill to be able to do what they do and make it look good. If you beg to differ I'd love to see a clip of you doing the same and making it look just as good and get the same reaction that people get when they see a sick banger (like actually tho cuz if you can then thats fresh and I do wanna see that) . People are obviously going to copy someones style if they like it and it happens in so many more things than just skiing. People will always try and follow what they find cool, so if you don't find it cool then don't follow it. It's really just that simple.
LSM talks about people copying his style in the Not Constant video and he talks about how we only have so much time and energy that we can spend skiing and if someone is willing to take their time to do what he's doing and try and imitate it then thats cool because he inspiring other skier to think outside of the box like he does and use their creativity to drive their skiing. Skiing styles are a lot like art styles. There are people expressing themselves through what they enjoy doing and are influenced by those around them doing similar things. Skiing styles evolves in the same way art styles do, with the coming and going of different eras and ways of expression, each with their own critics trying to discredit them.
Skiing is fucking great, its honestly the best thing in the world. It's the reason we are all on this site reading this thread right now. Skiing is about being happy and having fun and being creative and theres no reason try and belittle someone for trying to go out and do that.

lil.Boyemy opinion is that the OG era was way more steezy, but you really couldn't tell the difference of the skiers. all of them did the same, not enough creativity. nowdays i think there is more to look at and more free thought. not all the people wear 5 tall Tees stacken on top of eachother. they wear what ever they want. "what is style? touché. Style is" -Garrett Russell

Agreed mort

Wow this whole conversation makes me wanna switch back to snowboarding. Skiing is the sickest because of the freedom!!

Lol the "new wave" dudes from Scandinavia are running the ski game right now. Crazy how much talent has come out of there in the last 5-8 years.

I like the bunch

Strange.Journey.The Bunch has some of the most watched videos out rn and is so popular because they emulate the true freedom skiing gives all of us and their videos inspire others to pursue their own style of skiing

Oh yes, dressing the exact same and forcing the same whack-ass flair is the definition of freedom and being unique.....

skiermanOh yes, dressing the exact same and forcing the same whack-ass flair is the definition of freedom and being unique.....

hey man if you don't like it thats great, good for you we all have opinions. But having to constantly try and belittle them and trash talk an entire group of people because you don't like them makes you nothing better than a no life internet bully. You've been on this site for years spewing the same trash. At this point your "trolling" is a sad and pathetic and seems nothing more than an excuse to try and get some sort of attention on the site. You wanna see change in the sport promote that change instead of trolling through the forums writing anything negative you can think of. Skiing is supposed to be a happy friendly sport, maybe you just don't get that.

**This post was edited on Mar 7th 2018 at 8:32:41am

-Danthen I made my case since it was talent beyond swerving around in the park. which 15 seconds did you consider talented?

the parts where he left the ground or his skis were actually touching a feature...

I am not trying to start an argument, nor am I trying to deny the he or skiers like them are not inherently talented, but I have a hard time seeing this type of skiing as displays of raw talent. perhaps that's personal preference; I don't really know. I just don't see the value or what skill it really takes to hop, swerve, butter after a feature. or to "bonk" the end of a rail. maybe you can change my mind, but I didn't see anything in that edit where I thought, "wow, not a lot of skiers in the world can do that". Is there a specific clip in the first bmack edit that really blew your mind and made you think that?

https://vimeo.com/224346014
2:54
big scary shit and he made it look eeeasy.

BenWhitthe parts where he left the ground or his skis were actually touching a feature...

I am not trying to start an argument, nor am I trying to deny the he or skiers like them are not inherently talented, but I have a hard time seeing this type of skiing as displays of raw talent. perhaps that's personal preference; I don't really know. I just don't see the value or what skill it really takes to hop, swerve, butter after a feature. or to "bonk" the end of a rail. maybe you can change my mind, but I didn't see anything in that edit where I thought, "wow, not a lot of skiers in the world can do that". Is there a specific clip in the first bmack edit that really blew your mind and made you think that?

When he did the backslide thru the up rail gap to down rail. Always thought that clip was super amazing.

seems that your definition of talent is the big difference here. Mostly being physical accomplishments. And I get that, LJ or Clayton doing Superman style street shit always entertains me. Bigger and gnarlier is impressive.

With the skiers In the bunch it can be different. Just because others can do it doesn’t make it not impressive. I imagine the key to their recognition to be; not that they can do it, but that they think to do it. Their creativity and subsequent achievement results as much from their mind as it does from their body.

So back to your question. The real answer is basically all of the clips. If Bmack had never conceived his unique approach then really no one would have ever done the things he’s done because no one else had thought of it til they saw him do it. Same goes for the rest of the guys.

-DanWhen he did the backslide thru the up rail gap to down rail. Always thought that clip was super amazing.

seems that your definition of talent is the big difference here. Mostly being physical accomplishments. And I get that, LJ or Clayton doing Superman style street shit always entertains me. Bigger and gnarlier is impressive.

With the skiers In the bunch it can be different. Just because others can do it doesn’t make it not impressive. I imagine the key to their recognition to be; not that they can do it, but that they think to do it. Their creativity and subsequent achievement results as much from their mind as it does from their body.

So back to your question. The real answer is basically all of the clips. If Bmack had never conceived his unique approach then really no one would have ever done the things he’s done because no one else had thought of it til they saw him do it. Same goes for the rest of the guys.

fair enough. I don't necessarily disagree, by the way. but, the backslide did have his skis "touching a feature" which I think I said I considered a legitimate display of talent, haha. I don't know that I define talent by physical accomplishments, but what I perceive as difficulty. back foot to gap to back foot is difficult; I see that and I can very easily say that trick is both objectively hard and creative. I guess my point of contention with you would be the definition or perception of creativity. I can pretty easily say that "new wave" skiers are unique and creative in what they do, but perhaps my pea brain cannot understand why they are doing it. If hopping a 180 or buttering after a feature is now the definition of unique & appealing, that's where I get off the train. if bonking the end of a rail is staring to be considered impressive, that's probably where I get off the train.

this was not to say that The Bunch are not immensely talented skiers, because they are. but, I think there are skiers that can blend creativity & difficulty much, much better. some of the skiing you linked to just made me say "...why?"

people are trying to put different types of skiing into boxes, saying that people who dress a certain way also do similar tricks. If anything is going to hold back progression in the sport, it's that. There are people who swing their arms around and wear track pants who huck triples, and if you don't believe me:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfEziAzgB5W/?taken-by=akwhodis

**This post was edited on Mar 7th 2018 at 10:50:54am

Heres my take on The Bunch. I have no issue with Magnus and LSM. Two incredible skiers. My issue is with their following. The people who surf The Bunches wake use it as an excuse to not be good. I've seen kids go around and try their swerves and other Bunch affiliated moves and just look ridiculous. Poorly skilled skiers hop on the trend and claim it is above all, are my issue. That being said, there are also very talented skiers that incorporate Bunch into their style and it looks really good. I respect them, just not the excuse users.

All you kids with your insecurities

Jackson_DHeres my take on The Bunch. I have no issue with Magnus and LSM. Two incredible skiers. My issue is with their following. The people who surf The Bunches wake use it as an excuse to not be good. I've seen kids go around and try their swerves and other Bunch affiliated moves and just look ridiculous. Poorly skilled skiers hop on the trend and claim it is above all, are my issue. That being said, there are also very talented skiers that incorporate Bunch into their style and it looks really good. I respect them, just not the excuse users.

The same thing happened with the tall tee era, Newschoolers would hate on kids wearing tall shit who could barely link turns edge to edge outside the park. Within the tall era there was also a big group of skiers forcing the shit out of their afterbang which looked dumb. I think all skiers should get a strong base of skills outside of the park regardless if they're new wave or og era or anything. To consider yourself a true skier I think you need to be at least proficient in all types of skiing, whether thats park, backcountry, moguls, cliffs, groomers, hell even telemark. I also don't think its worth it to get heated about a small minority of people copying their favorite skiers. The Bunch can't help that they have imitators and are popular enough that people copy them, so why hate the Bunch? At the same time, why hate on all these new wave bros just enjoying sliding around on snow? They contribute money to the industry just like anyone else in the end.

skiermanOh yes, dressing the exact same and forcing the same whack-ass flair is the definition of freedom and being unique.....

almost fell for it, 7/10

Honestly I hate new wave but after seeing Magnus throw down in the slvsh game I definetly respect him probably comprable to andy parry but different because of how easy new wave is/looks compated to wizard tricks

Jackson_DHeres my take on The Bunch. I have no issue with Magnus and LSM. Two incredible skiers. My issue is with their following. The people who surf The Bunches wake use it as an excuse to not be good. I've seen kids go around and try their swerves and other Bunch affiliated moves and just look ridiculous. Poorly skilled skiers hop on the trend and claim it is above all, are my issue. That being said, there are also very talented skiers that incorporate Bunch into their style and it looks really good. I respect them, just not the excuse users.

maybe they dont use it as an excuse? Maybe they like how the bunch skiing looks and want to ski like that. Maybe its fun? Maybe thats how they want to show their creativity in skiing. Like jesus christ the only reason why people "afterbanged" and wore big clothes is because of the people who made that style of skiing popular. Mickael Deschenaux, travis heed, to Tom Wallisch, henrik, pretty much everybody from 2007 to 2012.

Everybody hating on magnus, go and film a run of you skiing like him, to his extent and emulate his style. I bet that you cant ski nearly as well as him and b mack.

I like some of the stuff they do and some I dont like but to be fair i do own a pair of magnuses but no one can tell me there's a reason to hate on people just having fun skiing with their friends. Its stupid fun to just butter around and for no reason should we say fuck them I dont like how they ski. But just watch both of magnuses real ski parts there are some hard ass urban hits in there

AndrewGravesSVWithin the tall era there was also a big group of skiers forcing the shit out of their afterbang which looked dumb.

Motherfucking Warnick lol

AndrewGravesSVTo consider yourself a true skier I think you need to be at least proficient in all types of skiing, whether thats park, backcountry, moguls, cliffs, groomers, hell even telemark.

This is mostly on point, but I consider myself a "true skier" and ive never even ridden a pair of telemark skis

Bad?

Last year, Magnus won a FREERIDE comp at Beartooth Pass with tech rail tricks, some cool jump moves, and a handdrag 3 off a 40ft cornice into a steep, sticky, chunder landing. He beat out Crazy Karl for the top spot, then proceeded to crush a line of death cookies left by the groomer and make a legit little rhythm section out of them.

If you think Magnus is "bad" at skiing, you're a simpleton too entangled in either jealousy or rigid ideas about "what skiing should be/look like" to appreciate what the bleeding, cutting edge of skiing looks like.

It takes guts and intelligence to imagine the future, especially when a whole herd of people stuck in the past are going to create the Newschool Establishment to dump hateraid. It takes balls to bring those new ideas to life. So instead of acting like the gapers who thought that turning up the tails on the 1080 was a silly thing to do when the New Canadian Air Force came on the scene, maybe open your brain a little and recognize that change is a positive force in skiing.

chef_boyardeeThis is mostly on point, but I consider myself a "true skier" and ive never even ridden a pair of telemark skis

Get out and try a pair. They're pretty damn fun!

LiteratureBad?

Last year, Magnus won a FREERIDE comp at Beartooth Pass with tech rail tricks, some cool jump moves, and a handdrag 3 off a 40ft cornice into a steep, sticky, chunder landing. He beat out Crazy Karl for the top spot, then proceeded to crush a line of death cookies left by the groomer and make a legit little rhythm section out of them.

If you think Magnus is "bad" at skiing, you're a simpleton too entangled in either jealousy or rigid ideas about "what skiing should be/look like" to appreciate what the bleeding, cutting edge of skiing looks like.

It takes guts and intelligence to imagine the future, especially when a whole herd of people stuck in the past are going to create the Newschool Establishment to dump hateraid. It takes balls to bring those new ideas to life. So instead of acting like the gapers who thought that turning up the tails on the 1080 was a silly thing to do when the New Canadian Air Force came on the scene, maybe open your brain a little and recognize that change is a positive force in skiing.

Is there a vid of this? sounds super sick

5yearsoldIs there a vid of this? sounds super sick

https://vimeo.com/224346014

5yearsoldIs there a vid of this? sounds super sick

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/871226/ON3P-Beartooth-Summer-Session---2017

"It takes guts and intelligence to imagine the future, especially when a whole herd of people stuck in the past are going to create the Newschool Establishment to dump hateraid"

LOL you're treating kids who swing their arms out like they're a group Elon Musks. I think the fanboys who overly defend this crap only prove its just another fad that will die out in 2 years.