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Isn’t a dub 9 in the pipe just a double lincoln loop?

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ButteredToast.
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Seriously why is it called a dub 9? There’s no spinning it’s just two sideways flips

Breaks my brain when commentators call it a dub 9 bc I just don’t see the 900 part
Feb 21 2018 9:49PM
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270on420out
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Back in my day we called em dub flairs
Feb 21 2018 10:07PM
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CheddarJack
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Pipe rotations are based off as if the skis are perpendicular to the pipe upon take off and landing. So there’s a 180 in there on top of the two flips. Thus, 900 degrees of rotation.
Feb 21 2018 10:55PM
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evanball
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And why do they say switch dub rodeo 9 when it’s really a switch dub flair?
Feb 21 2018 11:16PM
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SteveStepp
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Its a dub flair. I guess it could technically be called a dub 900, but i think its similar to snowboard called tricks mctwist, crippler and hakken flip
Feb 21 2018 11:58PM
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.CJ.
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SteveSteppsnowboard called tricks mctwist, crippler and hakken flip

One of the reasons why skiing is better than snowboarding
Feb 22 2018 12:00AM
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Deepskier
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The way most are done, its a dub flare but it depends how you do it you can definitely do a dub 900.
Feb 22 2018 1:15AM
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Cade2
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.CJ.One of the reasons why skiing is better than snowboarding


I couldnt belive there was a trick called a mctwisty when I herd it called durring slopstyle
Feb 22 2018 1:39AM
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ButteredToast.
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ThundercatI couldnt belive there was a trick called a mctwisty when I herd it called durring slopstyle


Wait is this not a typo?

The mctwist has always sounded fucking goofy to me... and now theres a mctwisty?

“Uh yeah that one is called a mctwist...y...”
Feb 22 2018 1:42AM
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Cade2
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ButteredToast.Wait is this not a typo?

The mctwist has always sounded fucking goofy to me... and now theres a mctwisty?

“Uh yeah that one is called a mctwist...y...”


Hey man thats what one of the commentators said, no lie
Feb 22 2018 1:44AM
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papermache
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ButteredToast.Wait is this not a typo?

The mctwist has always sounded fucking goofy to me”


The trick was named by Rodney Mullen and Mike McGill. Sounds pretty badass to me considering that it was first done on a SKATEBOARD which is miles harder to do than a mctwist on a snowboard or any basic flip on skis
Feb 22 2018 10:53AM
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KENDOZER
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That switch dub 9 in the pipe by Blunck looks terrifying
Feb 22 2018 12:23PM
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ESB
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I still call it a dub flair. I think commentators started calling those tricks by "rotations" thinking that maybe it'd be easier that way for audiences to understand. Yeah right.

If you're a Peter O fan you can always call it a Whiskey Flip.

Notice as well in slope that a kangaroo flip is now a "double flat 900" as well.
Feb 22 2018 12:46PM
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J_Christoph
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CheddarJackPipe rotations are based off as if the skis are perpendicular to the pipe upon take off and landing. So there’s a 180 in there on top of the two flips. Thus, 900 degrees of rotation.


This took me so long to wrap my head around back in the day
Feb 22 2018 2:36PM
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eheath
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Some guys do dub cork 9s in the pipe, but most of the dub 9s are dub flairs or dub flats.
Feb 22 2018 2:40PM
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Park_Ranger
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eheathSome guys do dub cork 9s in the pipe, but most of the dub 9s are dub flairs or dub flats.


Who? Would love to see a legit dub cork 9 in the pipe
Feb 22 2018 3:07PM
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chicknfriedsteak
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CheddarJackPipe rotations are based off as if the skis are perpendicular to the pipe upon take off and landing. So there’s a 180 in there on top of the two flips. Thus, 900 degrees of rotation.


this is true, but I think OP isn't exactly wrong either, when most skiers throw one in the pipe they aren't going straight up the wall but at more of a forwards angle and so they end up spinning more of an 810 then a true nine and it looks more like a dub lincoln
Feb 22 2018 3:09PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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is a straight air an automatic 180?
Feb 22 2018 3:45PM
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ButteredToast.
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ESBI still call it a dub flair. I think commentators started calling those tricks by "rotations" thinking that maybe it'd be easier that way for audiences to understand. Yeah right.

If you're a Peter O fan you can always call it a Whiskey Flip.

Notice as well in slope that a kangaroo flip is now a "double flat 900" as well.


Damn I forgot all about the days of Olenick and his whiskey flips.

I definitely like the Kangaroo flip and whiskey flip names a lot better for those tricks. Fun names like that are good when the rotations are really ambiguous.

It would kinda suck if every variant of dub 10/12/14 etc had those names though, it’d be hard to keep them all straight lol.
Feb 22 2018 4:33PM
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eheath
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ButteredToast.Damn I forgot all about the days of Olenick and his whiskey flips.

I definitely like the Kangaroo flip and whiskey flip names a lot better for those tricks. Fun names like that are good when the rotations are really ambiguous.

It would kinda suck if every variant of dub 10/12/14 etc had those names though, it’d be hard to keep them all straight lol.


Yeah, people stopped naming tricks awhile ago when they realized other people could do them too. There have been many attempts to name tricks since the kangaroo flip, but nothing stuck. I think its a good thing, there are so many tricks these days that they should be called what they are, not some silly name.
Feb 22 2018 4:46PM
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Park_Ranger
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eheathYeah, people stopped naming tricks awhile ago when they realized other people could do them too. There have been many attempts to name tricks since the kangaroo flip, but nothing stuck. I think its a good thing, there are so many tricks these days that they should be called what they are, not some silly name.


Can we just take a moment to recognize the Kevin Federline and the greatness it has brought to skiing?
Feb 22 2018 4:51PM
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SofaKingSick
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TRVP_ANGELis a straight air an automatic 180?


pretty much yeah. if you didn't spin at all it'd be an air to fakie
Feb 22 2018 4:52PM
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eheath
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Park_RangerCan we just take a moment to recognize the Kevin Federline and the greatness it has brought to skiing?


You mean Tyler Barnes, the creator of the kfed? Yeah, I will always say kfed, but I never said any other silly name that some called other swap combos.
Feb 22 2018 5:00PM
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skierman
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ITS A WHISKY FLIP! GIVE PRAISE TO PETER OLENICK! HE WAS THE BEST SKIER WHEN HE WASN'T BEING A DRUNK FUCKING ASSHOLE!
Feb 22 2018 5:00PM
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ESB
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eheathYou mean Tyler Barnes, the creator of the kfed? Yeah, I will always say kfed, but I never said any other silly name that some called other swap combos.


Let's see how many I can get right:
KFed - fs b2
Superfed - fs b4
Britney - bs f2
Superbritney? - bs f4
Ray Charles - bs b2?
Elusive? fs fs b2

Help me out here kiddies
Feb 23 2018 5:45AM
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CheddarJack
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ESBLet's see how many I can get right:
KFed - fs b2
Superfed - fs b4
Britney - bs f2
Superbritney? - bs f4
Ray Charles - bs b2?
Elusive? fs fs b2

Help me out here kiddies


Ellen - fs f2
Feb 23 2018 9:52AM
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cinnabonconn
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CheddarJackEllen - fs f2


i call bs f2 a bfed, a bs b2 bellen, and a bs bs f2 a belusive.
crown = 2 on kfed
brown = 2 on bfed
supercrown = 2 on superfed
superbrown = 2 on superbfed
superelusive = fs fs b4
Feb 23 2018 12:47PM
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Malcolm
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What we call a 900 in the pipe could technically be any degree of rotation greater than 720 up to 900 depending on the angle of takeoff and steepness of the pipe itself.
Feb 24 2018 9:56AM
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pwaite
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I think credit for the first dubs in pipe needs to go to Mike Michalchuk back in 1998 with the "double chuck". Double back with a 180. He rotated up the pipe though so essentially a dub ally oop flatspin.

You can see it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6rwcvxFF9g
Feb 24 2018 12:41PM
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snomaster
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pwaiteI think credit for the first dubs in pipe needs to go to Mike Michalchuk back in 1998 with the "double chuck". Double back with a 180. He rotated up the pipe though so essentially a dub ally oop flatspin.

You can see it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6rwcvxFF9g

at 43 sec
Feb 24 2018 1:50PM
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SofaKingSick
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pwaiteI think credit for the first dubs in pipe needs to go to Mike Michalchuk back in 1998 with the "double chuck". Double back with a 180. He rotated up the pipe though so essentially a dub ally oop flatspin.

You can see it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6rwcvxFF9g


Yup those are awesome. Venus fly trap (~alley oop dub cork 9) was done too by......toben sutherland? Is that the name?

Dubs weren't "in" back then tho. I wonder if those dudes were like "wtf I did these a decade ago" when they got popular in pipe again haha
Feb 24 2018 4:19PM
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