Two og Norways biggest skiresorts just stated they will make helmets mandatory!

chef_boyardeeBackplates seem a tad excessive in my opinion. Not sure about the helmets though. On one hand, I feel like it's good to give people a choice. The majority of riders (that I've observed) wear helmets, and those that choose not to wear helmets know the risks involved in not wearing one. On the other hand, things like seatbelts are mandatory, so it's understandable why the resorts would make helmets mandatory too.

cpohlI personally wear a helmet but I think that it should not be mandatory. The feeling of skiing without a helmet is great but I can't justify the risks for myself. If you don't want to get hurt wear a helmet or don't ski. This is probably caused because of a lawsuit against the ski slope and they are being forced to implement this rule to protect against further lawsuits, which sucks that the skiers are being affected.

chef_boyardeeseatbelts

Afterbang.noBut riding a fucking car is not the same as skiing.

VinnieFI really dislike how seat belts are brought up in every conversation about helmets. They are not equivalent at all. Seat belts are mandatory because not wearing them puts everyone else in a vehicle at greater risk, not just yourself. Helmets put no one but yourself at greater risk. Cannot be compared.

PowPiratei think what the resort should do is rent helmets out free of charge. try take the cost side of it out the equation and make it easier if people want one.

chef_boyardeeOn the other hand, things like seatbelts are mandatory, so it's understandable why the resorts would make helmets mandatory too.

OFEDBoy you are fucking retarded, holy shit.

OFEDI feel like an ass saying this but I really hope someone dies or gets paralyzed from landing on their head so everyone else realises how fucking stupid they are riding park without helmets. Helmets are going to reduce concussions and injuries wether you like it or not. Stop thinking you're too cool to wear a helmet.

SkiBum.Over reaching socialists.

OFEDAlso no matter how careful you ski, there is always the chance of the random jerry hitting your head beause he went 80km/h too fast and was out of control.

OFEDWhy should some poor fucker have to scrape your brains off the pavement because you're too fucking stupid to use a seatbelt?

OFEDI am retarded for supporting laws that have proven to reduce fatalities and injuries? Just when I thought the NS forum couldn't get any worse.

Why should some poor fucker have to scrape your brains off the pavement because you're too fucking stupid to use a seatbelt?

TomWallnussAh, yes the famous socialist nation of Norway

eheathBecause that's their job? You trying to put people out of business?

CheeseGnome...yes? If we're not socialist then who the hell is?

OFEDYes and it shouldn't be the kids choice to wear a helmet, kids are not smart enough to realise not using a helmet in a park is dumb, and a lot of kids' parents arent smart enough to know that either, which is why I think it should be a law to wear a helmet in a park when you're under 16.

TomWallnussIn case you are actually from Norway and you are serious as well, here's a list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

theabortionatorWishing somebody would die is pretty fucked, even if you were just saying that to try and make a point or whatever. Not super chill.

OFEDThey are in the same category, you just don't want to admit it.

People die in car crashes from not wearing seatbelts, or get way more injured than if they were not wearing one. What does this mean? More cleanup if people get thrown out of cars, around inside the car, and more medical bills for people who get injured who wouldn't otherwise have gotten injured if they wore seatbelts.

Same goes for skiing, there are more injuries happening with people not wearing helmets, which means more medical bills, more "cleanup" needed by skipatrol, helicopters and ambulances. Also no matter how careful you ski, there is always the chance of the random jerry hitting your head beause he went 80km/h too fast and was out of control.

VinnieFNo. Just no. They are not the same. Again; seat belts save lives other than your own. Helmets save no other lives but your own.

This is not a matter of public safety, this is purely down to a matter of personal preference. I believe you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want with your body so long as it doesn't harm others. If you don't want to wear a helmet, fine. It might not be the smart thing to do, but go for it. Fuck anyone who wants to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body.

As for costs: why not just ban skiing then? If you're worried about the incredibly small burden on society from the small portion of people who choose to not wear helmets then you should just be in favour of an outright ban on dangerous sports.



Why aren't helmets required in vehicles? How many brain injuries could be prevented if people wore helmets in cars? The number would be orders of magnitude higher than skiing. Think of all the medical bills and first responder resources that could be spared if helmets were mandatory in cars. Do you advocate for helmets in cars? That's a fair comparison.

VinnieFWhy aren't helmets required in vehicles? How many brain injuries could be prevented if people wore helmets in cars? The number would be orders of magnitude higher than skiing. Think of all the medical bills and first responder resources that could be spared if helmets were mandatory in cars. Do you advocate for helmets in cars? That's a fair comparison.

TomWallnussWho's job is that exactly? The less gruesome injuries there are the better for everyone involved, what a horribly selfish attitude
Also doesn't account for the poor first responders who certainly didn't sign up for anything, raising insurance cost and your stupid ass taking up space in the hospital if you make it, and all of that for such a marginal gain in comfort like not wearing a seatbelt?

OFEDSame goes for skiing, there are more injuries happening with people not wearing helmets, which means more medical bills, more "cleanup" needed by skipatrol, helicopters and ambulances.

eheathTBH i thought everyone would understand I was making a joke.

OFEDI already retracted that statement, but I guess you have to say it in 3 different comments because your other points are trash.

OregonDeadWhy back protection for park only? Is there not serious terrain outside of the park? Back protection has not caught on with the average rider so that seems kinda weird. Don't even know if they have back protection for sale or rent in at all the big resorts in America. I don't like extra rules but I always wear a helmet. Maybe I should think about back protection but I probably won't unless it gets really accessible and everyone else starts doing it.

TomWallnussWe found an even better solution than helmets in cars though, which is why we wear seatbelts

chef_boyardeeOn the other hand, things like seatbelts are mandatory

OFEDThey are in the same category, you just don't want to admit it.

People die in car crashes from not wearing seatbelts, or get way more injured than if they were not wearing one. What does this mean? More cleanup if people get thrown out of cars, around inside the car, and more medical bills for people who get injured who wouldn't otherwise have gotten injured if they wore seatbelts.

Same goes for skiing, there are more injuries happening with people not wearing helmets, which means more medical bills, more "cleanup" needed by skipatrol, helicopters and ambulances. Also no matter how careful you ski, there is always the chance of the random jerry hitting your head beause he went 80km/h too fast and was out of control.

VinnieFNo. Just no. They are not the same. Again; seat belts save lives other than your own. Helmets save no other lives but your own.

This is not a matter of public safety, this is purely down to a matter of personal preference. I believe you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want with your body so long as it doesn't harm others. If you don't want to wear a helmet, fine. It might not be the smart thing to do, but go for it. Fuck anyone who wants to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body.

eheethThis is pretty fucking ignorant tbh. It might seem like if you died on the slope that's it, the end of the matter. What if you had a crash with someone, cop an edge to the head and bleed out right there. Wearing a helmet could have stopped that completely, maybe a busted helmet but everyone would be skiing away. But no, now someone has to live with the knowledge that they're the one who killed you, accident or not. What if it's a fucking kid who now has to live their life with the feeling they'd killed you... Then what about your family, can you guarantee that they wouldn't pin the blame on the resort and/or the person in the accident, and they're now in a huge fucking lawsuit, and are in debt for the rest of their lives?

It's pretty easy to say that only you suffer if something happens when you're not wearing a helmet. But unless you only hitting a rock, tree etc., there's always another person. Even if it is a tree, there are the responders, and the people who have to drag you down the mountain.

I'm not saying helmets should be banned, i like skiing without one sometimes too, but sometimes you need to realise there's a bigger fucking picture.

VinnieFStupid statement is stupid. We also found a better solution to preventing ski injuries than wearing a helmet, which is why we have releasable bindings. Obviously seat belts help, but if you're so worried about head injuries and making sure they're not a burden on society then why not mandate helmets in cars? A quick search shows that in the US 280,000 people a year have traumatic brain injury from car crashes and that car crashes are the number one cause of death due to head trauma. So why not push for mandatory helmet laws in cars?

TomWallnussYou must be trolling mate, the difference between helmets in cars and on skis is that a helmet gives you negligibly more safety in a car when you already wear a seatbelt and have a functioning airbag, whereas there is no other protection for your head when skiing apart from a helmet. Please explain to me, in as much detail as possible how your binding protects your head in a crash, because that has to be the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while

VinnieFYou're wrong. As I said, over a 1/4 million head injuries from vehicle collisions in the US alone each year. How many head injuries from skiing each year? Wearing helmets while in vehicles would prevent magnitudes more head injuries than wearing helmets while skiing.

I said nothing about bindings and head injuries. Bindings and general injury, yes.

TomWallnussI highly recommend you to start wearing a helmet because you really can't afford to lose any more braincells, of course there are still accidents happening with the amount of people driving cars, the point is that seatbelts are highly effective in preventing injuries (and yes that includes head injuries) in traffic accidents and helmets would do little to improve that situation "Among occupants who survived a motor vehicle accident but had traumatic brain injuries, those who had worn seat belts had a better prognosis. Seat belts remain one of the best methods to reduce both the severity of injuries and the number of fatalities." quoted from here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4441959/
As you competently noted yourself, bindings do nothing to prevent head injury and it is therefor smart to use a helmet when skiing, unlike when driving a car, where you are better of wearing a seatbelt and having a functional airbag.