Official Olympic Discussion: Men's Slopestyle

I only watched finals, but honestly, leaving aside the actual way the points were dished out, I can't really say that the podium was totally wrong. Could you make a case for someone else getting a medal ahead of someone who got a medal? Yeah, probably a couple of guys could have been there. Can you make a case for changing the order? Yeah, I could see swapping Goepper and Oystein (which is hilarious because Goepper's bronze run I thought should easily have won in Sochi). Frankly, and I haven't seen this mentioned much, but if there's one guy I thought should have been on the podium who wasn't, it was McEachran. Once you take into account what usually gets scored in this sort of competition, that run was super clean.

But regardless, at the end of the day, I felt like the result was totally defensible. Maybe Goepper should've won, but it's not at all ridiculous to give it to Oystein. Maybe Woods should've medaled, but it's not at all ridiculous to say ABM's run deserved bronze. And if the result of a judged competition with this much variety and this much subjectivity to it ends with a defensible outcome, I don't care who shouldn't have got a 95 or how much it sucks that Woods ended up fourth again, you have to call that a win for the event.

VinniCashTeal should have won, he had the most flow on the rail section, with both 450's on, the sw 360 on 180 off, and that dub flatspin 1080 on the first jump was the hardest trick to stomp out of the whole comp. I really wish that sw up and kfed combos would stop getting points, shit hurts my eyes, they so ugly and uninspiring. Overall impression sucks, worst way to accurately judge a contest in my opinion.

This is fair, particularly with his first jump, but come on, you already know those types of "ahead of the curve, outside the box" runs wouldn't podium at an event like this. This is the Oscars - subversive arthouse films can't win. Doesn't matter how good your flow was. If you didn't end with a bang, you can't be on the podium.

morgan970can newschoolers interview the judges about their wack scores lol

THAT WOULD BE SO SICK. we need the public to question the judges to see some imporovement. But with all due respect, it would have been insane to judge that contest.

~TurquoiseTHAT WOULD BE SO SICK. we need the public to question the judges to see some imporovement. But with all due respect, it would have been insane to judge that contest.

How are you not an Orange name?

Big up on the Olympics, ya crushed it

I just want to claim that I was there.

And the judging was very frustrating. My biggest issue, as many have already pointed out, is the 95 to Oystein. To award the highest score to a run like that so early in the competition is just amateur. It stifles the other competitors. Also the judges seemed rather unimpressed with triples. Now I don't necessarily prefer triples over lesser more stylish rotations, I honestly prefer watching edits with butters and jibs, but it's the Olympics and we came to see future spins. The winning run should have had 2 triples in it to mark some progress from Sochi. The riders understood this and were prepared to deliver, except the judges refused to reward them for the risk and ultimately hampered the level of riding.

I hope the judges get shit on.

teal is chill

BBD.teal is chill

my fave run, he shoulda medalled

HughesABM's run was sick but not 94.80 sick imo.

I love ABM but that dub/underflip 9 mute is nowhere near tech enough to be on podium. I feel like that's the equivalent to Ragettli on the rails. But who the hell knows with these judges. I don't understand how identical runs score 10 points apart between qualifying and finals with a nosebud trip added. I'm American and still thought woodsy and the Canadians got way underscored

KingW3I love ABM but that dub/underflip 9 mute is nowhere near tech enough to be on podium. I feel like that's the equivalent to Ragettli on the rails. But who the hell knows with these judges. I don't understand how identical runs score 10 points apart between qualifying and finals with a nosebud trip added. I'm American and still thought woodsy and the Canadians got way underscored

It was an unnatural dub 9 with a rev mute... He made it look so easy, but thats not easy.

Any dub with a rev mute is going to be a standout jump trick for me, let alone with a dub 9 which is a very difficult axis to hit, and he had pretty hooked at the top too.

J.D.I only watched finals, but honestly, leaving aside the actual way the points were dished out, I can't really say that the podium was totally wrong. Could you make a case for someone else getting a medal ahead of someone who got a medal? Yeah, probably a couple of guys could have been there. Can you make a case for changing the order? Yeah, I could see swapping Goepper and Oystein (which is hilarious because Goepper's bronze run I thought should easily have won in Sochi). Frankly, and I haven't seen this mentioned much, but if there's one guy I thought should have been on the podium who wasn't, it was McEachran. Once you take into account what usually gets scored in this sort of competition, that run was super clean.

But regardless, at the end of the day, I felt like the result was totally defensible. Maybe Goepper should've won, but it's not at all ridiculous to give it to Oystein. Maybe Woods should've medaled, but it's not at all ridiculous to say ABM's run deserved bronze. And if the result of a judged competition with this much variety and this much subjectivity to it ends with a defensible outcome, I don't care who shouldn't have got a 95 or how much it sucks that Woods ended up fourth again, you have to call that a win for the event.


This is fair, particularly with his first jump, but come on, you already know those types of "ahead of the curve, outside the box" runs wouldn't podium at an event like this. This is the Oscars - subversive arthouse films can't win. Doesn't matter how good your flow was. If you didn't end with a bang, you can't be on the podium.

You’re totally right that the biggest problem was the 1/2 placement, and I totally disagree that Oysters placing was defensible, he was second by a long shot. Aside from that 3rd could have been a toss up between all 5 of ABM, Evan, Woods, Dahl and Teale, but I think how all of them were docked points was inconsistent. I think that the reaction was just compounded because of the prelims, that’s where the madness happened. Wester, Hunzicker and Elias had no business being in that final, nonetheless the places they were in going in.

Goeper should have won. Then a toss up.

That sw triple from woods is the best thing to happen on a money booter

thebusiness19It was an unnatural dub 9 with a rev mute... He made it look so easy, but thats not easy.

Any dub with a rev mute is going to be a standout jump trick for me, let alone with a dub 9 which is a very difficult axis to hit, and he had pretty hooked at the top too.

True. He did make it look it look super easy. Don’t get me wrong, I love the trick and it was executed to perfection but thought there were some more difficult tricks thrown on that jump. Would have loved to see more people boosting to the moon off the QP hit but doubt they could have gone as big on the triples on last jump. Personally I liked both the other Canadians (Harle and Mceachran) runs better but that’s just my opinion. ABM always slays though and has one of the most unique styles out so I’m glad at least one non-robot podiumed.

I've re-watched the runs a few times now and each time the judging looks more and more bullshit. Oysteins rails were a little less inspiring with two kinda hucked super feds, compared with teals massive disasters. I will say oysteins last jump was fucking sick with the grab-switch in the middle, but a switch triple octo sent to the gucci plateau should definitely at least match that.

I think the slopestyle judging process in general should be reconsidered a bit. Freeskiing isn't and never has been about closely scrutinising tricks and deducting for any minor flaws- more emphasis should be put on rewarding riders for the technical difficulty, creativity and the 'ambitious-ness' of the trick thrown.
I'm sure Oystein's done about 1000 super feds on very similar rails but A-Halls tokyo drift to 360 swap was far more impressive and fun to watch- not that he should've been on the podium but I feel like tricks like that need to be rewarded more. I think a lot of the problems with judging here are caused by the judges trying to ignore style so much because it's too subjective as they mentioned in the interview. While I do get their point I think they take it a little too far, some aspects of style are definitely objective enough to be judged.
Freeskiing isn't fucking figure skating and I think the judging should reflect that.

sorry if none of that is very eloquent i've just woken up from another bleddy knee surgery. i hope people get the drift though.

Korea had rails twice as big as at Sochi and the Jumps looked half as big as in Sochi.

cornholioOystein actually scored a 85 on his first run but they accidentally reported it as 95 so he got a free gold medal

freelowdaProbable

haha i hope you geniuses are kidding

MMairoseDidn’t goepper get robbed last Olympics too

yes. I thought his run in Sochi was better than Joss's.

HughesI think the slopestyle judging process in general should be reconsidered a bit. Freeskiing isn't and never has been about closely scrutinising tricks and deducting for any minor flaws- more emphasis should be put on rewarding riders for the technical difficulty, creativity and the 'ambitious-ness' of the trick thrown.
Freeskiing isn't fucking figure skating and I think the judging should reflect that

I am actually thinking that some aspects of figure skating judging is better than freeskiing. For instance, you get docked 10pts for coming off a rail a tad early but destroy the kickers (woodsy) and everything else. Figure skaters get docked a small bit on the execution for that single trick.
Or let’s look at the pipe with that lame Californian/Hungarian chick getting a 30 when others lace the top half then crash on one hit at the bottom and get a 26. What the fuck.
So again, maybe we can learn something from the figure skating judges!
Reward style progression and stomps more and deduct slight bobbles less. The judging is what encourages robotic runs that people here loathe.

Here's some info from Olympic judge Ole-Kristian Strom about the judging that went down: (yea, I sound like I dick. I fully never expected anyone other than the regulars here to read it or reply to it.)

It's in the comments to the article about the Steele Spence interview, but it's a complete mess. So here are the bits that might be interesting to read (I didn't include the me being a dick bits before hand that add nothing to this).


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Me:

While you're here, can you explain to me why Alex Bellemare got a 64.2 on his first run in qualification?

sw4 to sw
sw 1 on hip
4 to sw
sw 2 pretz 4

rodeo 7
left dub 10
right dub 12
sw left 12

All clean, all stomped, not off early on any rail. Then watch a ton of other runs (like Magnusson and Buratti) who all made serious mistakes coming off rails early and missing grabs and not as tech tricks and still scored higher.

How does that even happen?

His run was very clearly better than people who scored in the 80's. Would he have scored that much better if he had done that same run later in the comp?

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OleKr:

On the sw 1 he completely misses the grab, Backseat landing on the Rodeo 7 and the two first jumps is slightly under rotated... We had to hammer mistakes hard on this course and did our best. Its hard to sit back home in front of the Tv watching a comp and look at it the same was at the judges who are looking for those small mistakes that can affect the final score. With those mistakes you affect two out of 5 criterias. As Steele said in the podcast those scores is for the ranking. Its not about those points. Its the final ranking wich is the main point. Its not given what is an 70´s, 80´s or 90´s run. Its the judges tool to fit al athletes in the right position.

Things goes fast and as an judge you dont have a lot of time to review everything trough a run or evaluate each run for 5 min so you have to go trough what you see, look trough the criteria and compare with other runs in 30-60 sec time.

Check out where you can take a judging clinic and be a part og the sport as an judge! That way you can help out improve judging, judging systems and help pushing the sport in the direction you and the athletes want to see it!

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Me:

I mean, the closest score to Bellemare is Henshaw who got a 64 with a revert on a landing.

Bellemare had just as technical (way better rails) and no massive mistakes like that.

CBC puts an ad over Magnussons first run so I can't see it to compare but I remember being outraged at that one.

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OleKr:

No dubt Bellemares run was really technical and definitely on the rails! We dont disagree on that at all!

Im not at home and dont have my stenos here and haven't had time to review the comp after the olympics yet since I'm on a busy schedule so its hard to answer all questions! (Did look trough mens Pipe finals on my way home) Hopefully i get time to review all of the olympics and go trough my stenos one more time to double check everything! But i feel confident that the right 12 got in to finals and that the final ranking was right after our discussions after the competitions while we where in Korea! Some super tight calls for sure that could have gone either ways, but in the end it feels right.

Its a sport without set points for tricks or how a run or trick should look like who makes our sport unique compared to other judged sports and also keeps our sport Progress and move in new directions! A judged sport will alway make discussions and people will alway sit back home with questions about how they judged the competition why this skier didn't score as high as this skier.... Its always important to remember that the judges that are picked out to do that job most likely looks a little different on the runs that you do from home and sees smal details that you dont recognize.

We do this because we love the sport and have a huge passion for it! Not because we get famous or paid well. The payment is shitty and we often get shit but we keep on doing this to try to help the sport in the right direction. The athletes spends all their time trying their best to improve, to be the best skiers and to progress the sport! They deserve fair judging and all judges around the world that are part of the World Cup, X-Games, Dew Tour,other big events and even on all the local event around the world always work hard to do their best and to judge as fair as possible even if you guys siting back home not always agrees with us!

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Me:

Thanks for the clarifications. I can't reply to what I want to here so this is a very disorganized conversation.

So I totally agree the correct top 12 got in, but the massive inconsistencies in the scores still just don't make sense. Like ok, so you justify why Bellemare got 64. Using that justification, how is it possible that Magnassun and Buratti got better scores with way less tech runs and far more and larger mistakes? How does Henshaw do a revert (that kills a run totally) as well as other mistakes and also gets a similar score? Like as much as you justify Bellemare's score, the same just doesn't make sense for the others. It's the inconsistency that really gets me.

I fully appreciate that scores are all relative and you don't want to throw in a big score right away. Which btw, is totally contradicted by Shaun White's scoring:

x-games a couple years ago: we don't want to give Scotty James higher than 98 since there's still one competitor left so we want to give room in case it's a better run.

Olympics: Gives Shaun White a 98.5 with 14 competitors left (in qualifiers).

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Me:

Also I think everyone would love to hear the reasoning behind Ferdinand's score.

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OleKr:

Ferdinan´s score is pretty easy. It was an insane run who would have been up there in the podium discussion for sure he, could have gone all the way to the top but early of a rail and totally missing the tail on his switch right dub 14. It might look like he has it but he never gets the grab, but has his hand close to the tail all the way trough the rotation. Thats why... When we spoke with him after the comp he seemed fine with that. Again His run and a couple of other runs that peopler have been "screaming" about got robbed in the forums has those missed grabs and close to crash landings that it seems like people home dont see... if we had sucked at our judging rewarding those runs making them get podiums or close to podiums we would definitely got yelled at both from athletes, coaches and on the forums... And i guess since we see those mistakes we are getting these jobs and keeps on doing this after the Olympics even if we are the worst judges ever... ;)

VinnieFHere's some info from Olympic judge

Very interesting, thanks for posting

VinnieFHere's some info from Olympic judge Ole-Kristian Strom about the judging that went down: (yea, I sound like I dick. I fully never expected anyone other than the regulars here to read it or reply to it.)

It's in the comments to the article about the Steele Spence interview, but it's a complete mess. So here are the bits that might be interesting to read (I didn't include the me being a dick bits before hand that add nothing to this).


===============================
Me:

While you're here, can you explain to me why Alex Bellemare got a 64.2 on his first run in qualification?

sw4 to sw
sw 1 on hip
4 to sw
sw 2 pretz 4

rodeo 7
left dub 10
right dub 12
sw left 12

All clean, all stomped, not off early on any rail. Then watch a ton of other runs (like Magnusson and Buratti) who all made serious mistakes coming off rails early and missing grabs and not as tech tricks and still scored higher.

How does that even happen?

His run was very clearly better than people who scored in the 80's. Would he have scored that much better if he had done that same run later in the comp?

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OleKr:

On the sw 1 he completely misses the grab, Backseat landing on the Rodeo 7 and the two first jumps is slightly under rotated... We had to hammer mistakes hard on this course and did our best. Its hard to sit back home in front of the Tv watching a comp and look at it the same was at the judges who are looking for those small mistakes that can affect the final score. With those mistakes you affect two out of 5 criterias. As Steele said in the podcast those scores is for the ranking. Its not about those points. Its the final ranking wich is the main point. Its not given what is an 70´s, 80´s or 90´s run. Its the judges tool to fit al athletes in the right position.

Things goes fast and as an judge you dont have a lot of time to review everything trough a run or evaluate each run for 5 min so you have to go trough what you see, look trough the criteria and compare with other runs in 30-60 sec time.

Check out where you can take a judging clinic and be a part og the sport as an judge! That way you can help out improve judging, judging systems and help pushing the sport in the direction you and the athletes want to see it!

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Me:

I mean, the closest score to Bellemare is Henshaw who got a 64 with a revert on a landing.

Bellemare had just as technical (way better rails) and no massive mistakes like that.

CBC puts an ad over Magnussons first run so I can't see it to compare but I remember being outraged at that one.

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OleKr:

No dubt Bellemares run was really technical and definitely on the rails! We dont disagree on that at all!

Im not at home and dont have my stenos here and haven't had time to review the comp after the olympics yet since I'm on a busy schedule so its hard to answer all questions! (Did look trough mens Pipe finals on my way home) Hopefully i get time to review all of the olympics and go trough my stenos one more time to double check everything! But i feel confident that the right 12 got in to finals and that the final ranking was right after our discussions after the competitions while we where in Korea! Some super tight calls for sure that could have gone either ways, but in the end it feels right.

Its a sport without set points for tricks or how a run or trick should look like who makes our sport unique compared to other judged sports and also keeps our sport Progress and move in new directions! A judged sport will alway make discussions and people will alway sit back home with questions about how they judged the competition why this skier didn't score as high as this skier.... Its always important to remember that the judges that are picked out to do that job most likely looks a little different on the runs that you do from home and sees smal details that you dont recognize.

We do this because we love the sport and have a huge passion for it! Not because we get famous or paid well. The payment is shitty and we often get shit but we keep on doing this to try to help the sport in the right direction. The athletes spends all their time trying their best to improve, to be the best skiers and to progress the sport! They deserve fair judging and all judges around the world that are part of the World Cup, X-Games, Dew Tour,other big events and even on all the local event around the world always work hard to do their best and to judge as fair as possible even if you guys siting back home not always agrees with us!

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Me:

Thanks for the clarifications. I can't reply to what I want to here so this is a very disorganized conversation.

So I totally agree the correct top 12 got in, but the massive inconsistencies in the scores still just don't make sense. Like ok, so you justify why Bellemare got 64. Using that justification, how is it possible that Magnassun and Buratti got better scores with way less tech runs and far more and larger mistakes? How does Henshaw do a revert (that kills a run totally) as well as other mistakes and also gets a similar score? Like as much as you justify Bellemare's score, the same just doesn't make sense for the others. It's the inconsistency that really gets me.

I fully appreciate that scores are all relative and you don't want to throw in a big score right away. Which btw, is totally contradicted by Shaun White's scoring:

x-games a couple years ago: we don't want to give Scotty James higher than 98 since there's still one competitor left so we want to give room in case it's a better run.

Olympics: Gives Shaun White a 98.5 with 14 competitors left (in qualifiers).

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Me:

Also I think everyone would love to hear the reasoning behind Ferdinand's score.

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OleKr:

Ferdinan´s score is pretty easy. It was an insane run who would have been up there in the podium discussion for sure he, could have gone all the way to the top but early of a rail and totally missing the tail on his switch right dub 14. It might look like he has it but he never gets the grab, but has his hand close to the tail all the way trough the rotation. Thats why... When we spoke with him after the comp he seemed fine with that. Again His run and a couple of other runs that peopler have been "screaming" about got robbed in the forums has those missed grabs and close to crash landings that it seems like people home dont see... if we had sucked at our judging rewarding those runs making them get podiums or close to podiums we would definitely got yelled at both from athletes, coaches and on the forums... And i guess since we see those mistakes we are getting these jobs and keeps on doing this after the Olympics even if we are the worst judges ever... ;)

Did you explain to him that almost getting tail but missing it is part of the New Wave?

Exhibit A, look at how Hoblitzelle zooms in for emphasis on the missed tail grab on Colby Stevenson's switch dub at 1:30 here

https://vimeo.com/200199133

These judges are clearly not with the times, capping blunts is so 2014

Man, still so much shit happening that is just unfortunate. Steele calling it a forward right dub 10 when it was a dub flat 10, this Ole guy saying they hammered Ferdi for a missed tail, yet Oscar got first in qualis while missing the tail on his second jump. There was seemingly no weight put on rail section difficulty, only that you made it through clean. Bellemare was BOLTS in his run minus a missed mute on an inconsequential set up hip and you're going to tell me hunziker and ambuhl outperformed him and the right 12 were in the finals? Get real dude.

Yeah, i get it, its over and done so move on but holy fuck, these people spent 4 years trying to get there so I think beating a dead horse for a month is justified.

loganimlachMan, still so much shit happening that is just unfortunate. Steele calling it a forward right dub 10 when it was a dub flat 10, this Ole guy saying they hammered Ferdi for a missed tail, yet Oscar got first in qualis while missing the tail on his second jump. There was seemingly no weight put on rail section difficulty, only that you made it through clean. Bellemare was BOLTS in his run minus a missed mute on an inconsequential set up hip and you're going to tell me hunziker and ambuhl outperformed him and the right 12 were in the finals? Get real dude.

Yeah, i get it, its over and done so move on but holy fuck, these people spent 4 years trying to get there so I think beating a dead horse for a month is justified.

I think a flat 4 pretzel 810 out of a down rail would have score less than a ski up and over and taint slide it if the pretze had been 2 inches before the end of the rail.

I'm all about making it to the end of the rail, but it seems as if what they did was irrelevant at times as long as they got to the end. Next year I want to see some taint slides in protest.

Swaney will fucking do it.

theabortionatortaint slides in prostate.

Swaney will fucking do it.

gross

VinnieFHere's some info from Olympic judge Ole-Kristian Strom about the judging that went down: (yea, I sound like I dick. I fully never expected anyone other than the regulars here to read it or reply to it.)

It's in the comments to the article about the Steele Spence interview, but it's a complete mess. So here are the bits that might be interesting to read (I didn't include the me being a dick bits before hand that add nothing to this).


===============================
Me:

While you're here, can you explain to me why Alex Bellemare got a 64.2 on his first run in qualification?

sw4 to sw
sw 1 on hip
4 to sw
sw 2 pretz 4

rodeo 7
left dub 10
right dub 12
sw left 12

All clean, all stomped, not off early on any rail. Then watch a ton of other runs (like Magnusson and Buratti) who all made serious mistakes coming off rails early and missing grabs and not as tech tricks and still scored higher.

How does that even happen?

His run was very clearly better than people who scored in the 80's. Would he have scored that much better if he had done that same run later in the comp?

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OleKr:

On the sw 1 he completely misses the grab, Backseat landing on the Rodeo 7 and the two first jumps is slightly under rotated... We had to hammer mistakes hard on this course and did our best. Its hard to sit back home in front of the Tv watching a comp and look at it the same was at the judges who are looking for those small mistakes that can affect the final score. With those mistakes you affect two out of 5 criterias. As Steele said in the podcast those scores is for the ranking. Its not about those points. Its the final ranking wich is the main point. Its not given what is an 70´s, 80´s or 90´s run. Its the judges tool to fit al athletes in the right position.

Things goes fast and as an judge you dont have a lot of time to review everything trough a run or evaluate each run for 5 min so you have to go trough what you see, look trough the criteria and compare with other runs in 30-60 sec time.

Check out where you can take a judging clinic and be a part og the sport as an judge! That way you can help out improve judging, judging systems and help pushing the sport in the direction you and the athletes want to see it!

----------------------------------------------

Me:

I mean, the closest score to Bellemare is Henshaw who got a 64 with a revert on a landing.

Bellemare had just as technical (way better rails) and no massive mistakes like that.

CBC puts an ad over Magnussons first run so I can't see it to compare but I remember being outraged at that one.

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OleKr:

No dubt Bellemares run was really technical and definitely on the rails! We dont disagree on that at all!

Im not at home and dont have my stenos here and haven't had time to review the comp after the olympics yet since I'm on a busy schedule so its hard to answer all questions! (Did look trough mens Pipe finals on my way home) Hopefully i get time to review all of the olympics and go trough my stenos one more time to double check everything! But i feel confident that the right 12 got in to finals and that the final ranking was right after our discussions after the competitions while we where in Korea! Some super tight calls for sure that could have gone either ways, but in the end it feels right.

Its a sport without set points for tricks or how a run or trick should look like who makes our sport unique compared to other judged sports and also keeps our sport Progress and move in new directions! A judged sport will alway make discussions and people will alway sit back home with questions about how they judged the competition why this skier didn't score as high as this skier.... Its always important to remember that the judges that are picked out to do that job most likely looks a little different on the runs that you do from home and sees smal details that you dont recognize.

We do this because we love the sport and have a huge passion for it! Not because we get famous or paid well. The payment is shitty and we often get shit but we keep on doing this to try to help the sport in the right direction. The athletes spends all their time trying their best to improve, to be the best skiers and to progress the sport! They deserve fair judging and all judges around the world that are part of the World Cup, X-Games, Dew Tour,other big events and even on all the local event around the world always work hard to do their best and to judge as fair as possible even if you guys siting back home not always agrees with us!

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Me:

Thanks for the clarifications. I can't reply to what I want to here so this is a very disorganized conversation.

So I totally agree the correct top 12 got in, but the massive inconsistencies in the scores still just don't make sense. Like ok, so you justify why Bellemare got 64. Using that justification, how is it possible that Magnassun and Buratti got better scores with way less tech runs and far more and larger mistakes? How does Henshaw do a revert (that kills a run totally) as well as other mistakes and also gets a similar score? Like as much as you justify Bellemare's score, the same just doesn't make sense for the others. It's the inconsistency that really gets me.

I fully appreciate that scores are all relative and you don't want to throw in a big score right away. Which btw, is totally contradicted by Shaun White's scoring:

x-games a couple years ago: we don't want to give Scotty James higher than 98 since there's still one competitor left so we want to give room in case it's a better run.

Olympics: Gives Shaun White a 98.5 with 14 competitors left (in qualifiers).

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Me:

Also I think everyone would love to hear the reasoning behind Ferdinand's score.

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OleKr:

Ferdinan´s score is pretty easy. It was an insane run who would have been up there in the podium discussion for sure he, could have gone all the way to the top but early of a rail and totally missing the tail on his switch right dub 14. It might look like he has it but he never gets the grab, but has his hand close to the tail all the way trough the rotation. Thats why... When we spoke with him after the comp he seemed fine with that. Again His run and a couple of other runs that peopler have been "screaming" about got robbed in the forums has those missed grabs and close to crash landings that it seems like people home dont see... if we had sucked at our judging rewarding those runs making them get podiums or close to podiums we would definitely got yelled at both from athletes, coaches and on the forums... And i guess since we see those mistakes we are getting these jobs and keeps on doing this after the Olympics even if we are the worst judges ever... ;)

Thanks for confirming that one of the judges is a complete fucking moron.

loganimlachMan, still so much shit happening that is just unfortunate. Steele calling it a forward right dub 10 when it was a dub flat 10, this Ole guy saying they hammered Ferdi for a missed tail, yet Oscar got first in qualis while missing the tail on his second jump. There was seemingly no weight put on rail section difficulty, only that you made it through clean. Bellemare was BOLTS in his run minus a missed mute on an inconsequential set up hip and you're going to tell me hunziker and ambuhl outperformed him and the right 12 were in the finals? Get real dude.

Yeah, i get it, its over and done so move on but holy fuck, these people spent 4 years trying to get there so I think beating a dead horse for a month is justified.

totally agree with you, plus for bellemare it was 8 years since he got fucked and missed sochi (i think due to a knee injury). must've had high hopes with winning the test event two years ago. Plus he said on quebec medias his goal was to make it into the finals. flash forward he stomps an insane rail line and totally fine line of jumps and gets scored with total garbage.



i mean anybody who knows something about rails cant score a run that low with such tech rails. Im sorry but that swtails 4 on to switch is insane. it has to be an equivalent of some of the best jump trick you can think of. this was on another level, teal, evan, alex and others were throwing some gnarly and tech stuff and were not rewarded.

*spoiler alert for the judges* a switch tails 4 on to switch (alex) or a 4on blindswap 2out (evan) are totally insane to be put in a slope run... get your shit together

TLDR: give the rails the credit it deserves / incoherent judging has to stop

/rant