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slush8'Banning a certain firearm or certain size magazine might stop a few mass shootings, yeah. But at what cost?'
I mean what! Read what you have just written, then go back and read it again until you get some sense of morality. If you think people's right to a certain gun trumps children's and innocent people's safety you may need to rethink your mindset.
Sandyhook, Pulse, Las Vegas, Columbine, Parkland were all carried out using AR-15s
Mental Health and AR-15s. There's a link here. Spend money on mental healthcare and ban AR-15s
milk_manBan the sale of new semi-automatic firearms or ban them altogether and make it illegal to own one?
TOAST.The sale of new ones would be a good start. Probably limit resale of existing, not sure how that would go. Have owners report that they own them possibly make them go through something similar to people that own fully automatic weapons go through in order to keep them. Something along those lines.
TOAST.The sale of new ones would be a good start. Probably limit resale of existing, not sure how that would go. Have owners report that they own them possibly make them go through something similar to people that own fully automatic weapons go through in order to keep them. Something along those lines.
iFlipThe critical piece of information that you and most others do not understand (and certainly no disrespect to you) is that an AR is an entirely modular rifle. As such, simply "banning ARs" is tremendously difficult. Anyone at all can purchase the required parts, a few basic tools (hand tools), and build an AR in their own home in the course of a few hours. No technical or machining knowledge is required. Here's a walkthrough: https://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc/index/how-to-build-ar-15-rifle
I believe there are a few NSers who have built ARs. I hope this clarifies things a bit for you and helps you understand why "banning ARs" is nowhere near as simple as it sounds.
iFlipThe critical piece of information that you and most others do not understand (and certainly no disrespect to you) is that an AR is an entirely modular rifle. As such, simply "banning ARs" is tremendously difficult. Anyone at all can purchase the required parts, a few basic tools (hand tools), and build an AR in their own home in the course of a few hours. No technical or machining knowledge is required. Here's a walkthrough: https://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc/index/how-to-build-ar-15-rifle
I believe there are a few NSers who have built ARs. I hope this clarifies things a bit for you and helps you understand why "banning ARs" is nowhere near as simple as it sounds.
TOAST.The individual parts still need to be manufactured and correct me if im wrong but the firing mechanism components would still solely be used for a semiautomatic firearm. Are single shot ARs a thing and if it is i wouldnt have a problem, my gripe is solely with semi automatic firearms and any magazine that holds more than 6 shots.
iFlipThe critical piece of information that you and most others do not understand (and certainly no disrespect to you) is that an AR is an entirely modular rifle. As such, simply "banning ARs" is tremendously difficult. Anyone at all can purchase the required parts, a few basic tools (hand tools), and build an AR in their own home in the course of a few hours. No technical or machining knowledge is required. Here's a walkthrough: https://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc/index/how-to-build-ar-15-rifle
I believe there are a few NSers who have built ARs. I hope this clarifies things a bit for you and helps you understand why "banning ARs" is nowhere near as simple as it sounds.
iFlipYou are correct, the "lower" is the part that is usually purchased with a serial number to make it legal. However, this can very easily be gotten around. I'm not sharing any secrets here - this information is all very widely available online. To circumvent the serial number/possible traceability of an AR, one may purchase what is known as an "80% lower." This is explained here: https://www.80-lower.com/blogs/80-lower-blog/how-to-build-your-own-ar-15-legally-and-unregistered
Essentially, it would be tantamount to impossible to ban the manufacture and sale of AR parts. What could potentially be banned is semi-automatic, non-rimfire rifle ownership. The problem with this is that long guns (rifles, shotguns) are not registered. A law that forbade the ownership of semi-automatic, non-rimfire rifles would immediately make criminals out of literally millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans. Gun owners are very, very unlikely to surrender their legally-acquired rifles. Making criminals out of good Americans through legislation must be carefully considered. Unfortunately the media does not present the above information, simply calling for a ban on ARs without any insight into what this would actually entail.
eheathThis is a HUGE thing that pro-gun people try to exploit and its absolutely bullshit. We need to update the 2nd amendment to reflect current society, thats the real problem here. You could have 100 automatic rifles in your house, it's not stopping the US government.
RusticlesIt's not the AR that is the problem. Just gotta ban high capacity magazines for all rifles, that's all. limit them to 5 rounds, no exceptions.
milk_manSomeone could do exactly what these mass shooters have done with 5 round mags. You just have to carry more and be able to drop them quick. But yeah it is a much more feasible idea to ban the sale of new "high" capacity mags. I put high in quotations because a 30 round mag is tiny compared to a 60 round drum
NSdiedWOdlnNo shit. The reason switzerland requires its citizens to own guns and still has the lowest murder rate in the world is bc they are almost completely conservative/libertarian and this engenders responsibility.
The.FishIf I was the president, I would just get rid of all guns
The.Fishmaybe i will just move to Europe or Canada or something
iFlipYou clearly have absolutely no comprehension of how our country's politics and laws work.
You clearly have no understanding of how Europe's and Canada's immigration policies work.
The.FishI don't understand why it is a right to bear arms a thing in the first place. I get self defense, but why didn't we just pass laws that gave police less power to balance with the people vs giving people more power. We don't elect random people into office because they aren't qualified, same should be with guns. If I was the president, I would just get rid of all guns, including police officers besides maybe a certain amount of chiefs per capita or something. Only issue is that there have been so many guns produced that people have easy access to them. Therefore, gun bans won't work, rather the opposite would. My friend suggested that we give old unemployed veterans who are mentally stable a gun and staff two or three of them in every school. It is so sad that this is an issue, maybe i will just move to Europe or Canada or something
TheHamburglarAlso, no law-abiding citizen NEEDS a gun for self-defense. They may WANT it, but the reality is, nobody NEEDS one.
The.FishI don't understand why it is a right to bear arms a thing in the first place. I get self defense, but why didn't we just pass laws that gave police less power to balance with the people vs giving people more power. We don't elect random people into office because they aren't qualified, same should be with guns. If I was the president, I would just get rid of all guns, including police officers besides maybe a certain amount of chiefs per capita or something. Only issue is that there have been so many guns produced that people have easy access to them. Therefore, gun bans won't work, rather the opposite would. My friend suggested that we give old unemployed veterans who are mentally stable a gun and staff two or three of them in every school. It is so sad that this is an issue, maybe i will just move to Europe or Canada or something
snowpocalypseBull shit.
TheHamburglarAlso how many times have any of you living in the middle of nowhere actually needed to utilize a firearm in self-defense from another human? Animals are another story, but human?
zuesWhy does it matter to you? A lot of people still use rifles to hunt and eat with. And it's never bad to have something to defend yourself just in case.
TheHamburglarJust curious. A main pro-gun argument is that it's necessary for home protection/self defense.
I live in LA, in a crowded neighborhood with pretty damn high violent crime. I've been in many potentially unsafe situations over the past few years, and never have I felt a gun was necessary for my own protection. There are many other ways to stay safe, ideally be smart, be alert, and keep your mouth shut. I fucking love guns, but firearms for self-defense is really a bullshit argument.
zuesWhy does it matter to you?.
zuesIt only takes one unfortunate event to wish you had one, and to appreciate them.
TheHamburglarAlso, no law-abiding citizen NEEDS a gun for self-defense. They may WANT it, but the reality is, nobody NEEDS one.
LiquorLanchA gun would've been really fucking nice when I had two bangers sticking a shotgun in my face and they took everything I had on me.
TheHamburglarI'm talking about towns and cities, where violence crime/mass shootings occur. Country blumpkins live by their own rules, but nothing happens out there anyways.
iFlipYou are correct, the "lower" is the part that is usually purchased with a serial number to make it legal. However, this can very easily be gotten around. I'm not sharing any secrets here - this information is all very widely available online. To circumvent the serial number/possible traceability of an AR, one may purchase what is known as an "80% lower." This is explained here: https://www.80-lower.com/blogs/80-lower-blog/how-to-build-your-own-ar-15-legally-and-unregistered
Essentially, it would be tantamount to impossible to ban the manufacture and sale of AR parts. What could potentially be banned is semi-automatic, non-rimfire rifle ownership. The problem with this is that long guns (rifles, shotguns) are not registered. A law that forbade the ownership of semi-automatic, non-rimfire rifles would immediately make criminals out of literally millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans. Gun owners are very, very unlikely to surrender their legally-acquired rifles. Making criminals out of good Americans through legislation must be carefully considered. Unfortunately the media does not present the above information, simply calling for a ban on ARs without any insight into what this would actually entail.
TheHamburglarYeah you dipshits can downvote me, still waiting on a cogent argument as to why stricter gun laws are a bad idea, other than MUH FREEDUMS
TheHamburglarYou are so fucking stupid it’s baffling
zuesyea lets ban guns just like we banned drugs.... Better yet lets ban murder. Because all that worked great.
STFU banning anything never solves the problem. Take the guns out of 99% of good citizens hands because of the few bad ppl won't do jack shit. Lets ban alcohol and fast food too because those cause way more deaths than guns do.
Surrounded by dumb liberals on this site
snowpocalypseFuck then leave! I'm so tired of all this Liberal vs right wing bull shit. We are all just trying to live our lives. All you are doing is making yourself sound uninformed. Listen to each other and learn from other people. This is the only way we are going to survive as a nation. You sound like a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum. We use to be a Nation of compromise. The right solution might not be what you want or I want but we need to have a logical discussion instead of jumping directly to name calling. A healthy debate in what we were founded on and until we can get back to a healthy discourse we will continue to divide until conquered.
zuesyea lets ban guns just like we banned drugs.... Better yet lets ban murder. Because all that worked great.
STFU banning anything never solves the problem. Take the guns out of 99% of good citizens hands because of the few bad ppl won't do jack shit. Lets ban alcohol and fast food too because those cause way more deaths than guns do.
Surrounded by dumb liberals on this site
TOAST.Whatever legislation is or if anything is passed it needs to cover everyone. If someone can go one county over to get around something it defeats the point of having anything.
zuesSTFU banning anything never solves the problem.
TheHamburglarAgreed. Federal legislation is required. Illinois has strict gun laws but adjacent states have very loose laws, and the theory is that it’s easy to move them locally and sell them illegally.
IsitWinterYet17"Theory", but remember how many guns exist already in the USA and how easy it is to get them from Mexico. Remember the fast and furious operation to track guns and how well that worked. Truth is guns are everywhere and are impossible to track. There's more guns than people in the USA. Even if they are banned, they aren't going anywhere. A buyback is fiscally impossible, so guns will still exist and just get shuffled between owners. Even if the USA bans all guns, they will still exist and more will still be smuggled across the border.
