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dude,it’s ns unofficial rule to wait for masshole to create the gesr
rumour thread.
But in all seriousness the sakana seems cool and also the atomic/salomon shift binding will be pretty cool to see the change in ski ‘culture’
i can't stop thinking about the armada arv 96 ti Zero. that's my dream ski, finally made. i seriously need to find out how best to ensure i get them ASAP
I kinda don't want the shift to come out haha. Too many dorks in the backcountry are gonna die now lol.
Also i'm a bit of a weight weenie now... like the Kingpin is already heavy to me... the shift is like 150ish grams heavier per side... that's a good amount of weight to add to your feet. I'll be fine with my tectons and kingpins and vipecs..
powpatroldude,it’s ns unofficial rule to wait for masshole to create the gesr
rumour thread.
But in all seriousness the sakana seems cool and also the atomic/salomon shift binding will be pretty cool to see the change in ski ‘culture’
I wish the shift had a second climbing bar. So stupid not to.
Sorry, but I dont want to break a new skin track because the existing one is too steep.
DingoSeanWhat gear are you looking forward to most next year?
I'm gawking hard at that Line Sakana...
after skiing them in Japan last week, it's definitely my next touring ski. With the swallow/fish tail, it lets that tip rise so well in deep snow, even for a 105 waisted ski, that it really is one of the most versatile directional skis ever in that regard.
**This post was edited on Feb 18th 2018 at 10:18:44pm
.MASSHOLE.I'm interested in the Richard Permin pro model..
That ski looks suuper cool. First time I've ever been interested in a Dynastar ski... Don't know what their production numbers will look like for it though, seems kinda limited-edition.
All the new 50/50 boots are interesting, hopefully they'll perform pretty comparably so people will have more options in terms of fit.
Fischer Ranger FR 102 looks surprisingly sweet.
Not many people here care about apparel, but Strafe and Flylow's new stuff definitely has my attention.
Also, Open Wear is a new brand that's running an awesome transparency model and their fit, fabric, and finish quality is really impressive.
mmccarthy81I really want to try the bentchetler 100s, although I’ve never actually skied the fatter ones
Same here, I mostly skied the backland 102's and the infamous last season. Both really fun in their element but the Bent 100 seems like it will be that all mountain/ park Slayer you can use every day.
evaroniSame here, I mostly skied the backland 102's and the infamous last season. Both really fun in their element but the Bent 100 seems like it will be that all mountain/ park Slayer you can use every day.
Yeah my park skis rn are center mounted blends and are currently doubling as my all mountains. I want something a little better for out of the park that can handle tracked out pow and crud. I’m hoping the bentchetler 100s mounted a little back with the boat hull tips will do it for me.
evaroniSame here, I mostly skied the backland 102's and the infamous last season. Both really fun in their element but the Bent 100 seems like it will be that all mountain/ park Slayer you can use every day.
mmccarthy81Yeah my park skis rn are center mounted blends and are currently doubling as my all mountains. I want something a little better for out of the park that can handle tracked out pow and crud. I’m hoping the bentchetler 100s mounted a little back with the boat hull tips will do it for me.
xerophyteWant to try Head Kore 99 and Benchetler 100.
-arc-Next years bent chetlers look sick af
Another person here that's been following the Bent Chetler 100 hype with the Blizzard Rustler 9(94 underfoot) looking very interesting as well. Both have been getting rave reviews for playful all mountain skis that can still carve a turn. Looks like a -6 "all mountain" mount point on the 100 that pro riders are using around -3 with great park/all mountain results. Was even compared as "more stable" than the Nordica Enforcer 100 in one review which is high praise for such a playful ski that is more forward mounted. The Chetler 100 should be very light and flex similar to the new Bent Chetler 120 with stiffer tail to help on harder snow. Might be a "quiver killer" ski.
The Line Chronic is also going to 95mm underfoot next year with softer flex which should make it another very good all mountain/park ski.
The Head Kore line is very unimpressive if you've ever skied their older Head Flight Series. Although they are damp and easy to ski, they have no pop or playfulness in comparison and sure don't carve like the old ones did. In a traditionally mounted all mountain ski, The Nordica Enforcer series is more fun, better through crud and more stable so the Kore 99 will be a "not as good Enforcer 100" if I had to guess.
The Armada ARV 96Ti looks interesting too as I found the Armada ARV series fun on softer snow but not very damp on harder snow and the addition of metal should greatly improve that.
Going to be a good year for 90-100mm skis next year!
I can’t give a great opinion since I only demo’d the 180cm (I’m 6’ 180lbs) and it’s a very light ski, I was over skiing it quite a bit haha. This pair in the pic is for Wacko.
I’m similar size to you and wasn’t sure if it skied short enough to use a 188cm as a park/all mountain ski but have heard it’s quite light so I might be okay by the sounds of it.
I like the new 120's way more. They're so freaking light holy crapoly
I’m more of an East Coast skier and have a 105 underfoot for light powder/crud charging so wanted to replace my 191cm 95 underfoot which is too long and heavy for the park and the same ski in the 181cm in one pair of 188cm Bent Chetler 100.
DingoSeanDon't expect it to stick in ice. They have a bit more rocker than you'd need for the east coast.
Same amount of rocker as my current 95mm skis which are still very good on groomers but have 84mm skis with very little rocker that are shockingly good when things get icy.
Want more of a “decent on groomers/bit of fresh snow/fun in the park” ski that’s not as heavy as my current ones.
I’m looking forward to 2017/2018 gear going down in price.
Personally I don’t think it’s worth spending $800 for skis that I can buy with a different graphic for $400.
Otherwise I’d be eyeing up next year’s HG Transfers and ON3P Magnuses probably. It’s a bummer that these skier owned companies never have overstock previous models that I can easily afford. Maybe if I didn’t ski rails and/or wasn’t in school I would consider it.
BondyTbh people talking about the 2019 chetlers i'm kinda razzed they made em so light every companies trying to turn good skis into light touring skis.
While that is somewhat true, I wouldn't say the new benchetler is in that same "ultra-light" category that say a brand like Dynafit would make.
.nastyWhile that is somewhat true, I wouldn't say the new benchetler is in that same "ultra-light" category that say a brand like Dynafit would make.
Haha I kinda would honestly. I don't see any ski that wide from Dynafit (See: Fischer or Blizzard, since that's who actually makes their skis) being any lighter.
You're in powder... you don't need a heavy super stiff ski: See any ski with Eric Pollard's name on it.
DingoSeanHaha I kinda would honestly. I don't see any ski that wide from Dynafit (See: Fischer or Blizzard, since that's who actually makes their skis) being any lighter.
You're in powder... you don't need a heavy super stiff ski: See any ski with Eric Pollard's name on it.
DingoSeanHaha I kinda would honestly. I don't see any ski that wide from Dynafit (See: Fischer or Blizzard, since that's who actually makes their skis) being any lighter.
You're in powder... you don't need a heavy super stiff ski: See any ski with Eric Pollard's name on it.
For resort yes you do. I'm not a huge fan of the lightening up train for resort. Super awesome for 2 hours and then get thrown around like a hooker in a frat house when it gets chopped up.
.nastyI can’t give a great opinion since I only demo’d the 180cm (I’m 6’ 180lbs) and it’s a very light ski, I was over skiing it quite a bit haha. This pair in the pic is for Wacko.
I demo'd them too and hate to say it but compared to what is on the market I was disappointed. they aren't bad but going in to the demo they were one of the skis I was most excited to ski. They don't hold great at speed, can't really handle any sort of chunder (Skied them on tracked and fresh pow) and are quite soft. As a fat park ski they would probably be a blast, and in strictly fresh snow they would be a okay option but overall was quite disappointed.
Profahoben_212For resort yes you do. I'm not a huge fan of the lightening up train for resort. Super awesome for 2 hours and then get thrown around like a hooker in a frat house when it gets chopped up.
Throw some shifts as a 50/50 ski and fuck yeah.
Bring a 2nd or 3rd pair of skis like I do for when it gets chopped up.
Or just avoid the resort all together if you want freshies.
DingoSeanHaha I kinda would honestly. I don't see any ski that wide from Dynafit (See: Fischer or Blizzard, since that's who actually makes their skis) being any lighter.
You're in powder... you don't need a heavy super stiff ski: See any ski with Eric Pollard's name on it.
Its not like it stays super untracked all the time the second the snow gets tracked and chopped the 1700 grams is really going to be a unjustice
BondyIts not like it stays super untracked all the time the second the snow gets tracked and chopped the 1700 grams is really going to be a unjustice
weight doesn't matter. the snow density, the slope, and your ability to drive through it matter.
If you're in heavily tracked west coast dense snow, it's going to be a bitch, sure... in which case I wouldn't even bring something as wide as a 120 underfoot rockered ski.. I'd go about 100-110 and keep my speed up as fast as I can...but if you're at say.. Wolf Creek, Colorado on February 22nd when they had 33" of 4% density snow with ratios in the 1:20 range... it doesn't matter if it gets tracked up.
Sounding like the Blizzard Rustler 9 which has been getting great reviews in all conditions might be a better bet for people that want an “all mountain free ride” ski that still does well at speed and on hardpack. More traditional mount and feel than the Bent 100 though.
Greg_KSounding like the Blizzard Rustler 9 which has been getting great reviews in all conditions might be a better bet for people that want an “all mountain free ride” ski that still does well at speed and on hardpack. More traditional mount and feel than the Bent 100 though.
The Bentchetler skis are definitely more playful than they are all-mountain slayers.
If people are looking for a real all-mountain freeride ski from Atomic, they should be checking out the Vantage 107. That ski is baller, and the new go-to option for our FWT athletes.
DingoSeanWhat gear are you looking forward to most next year?
I'm gawking hard at that Line Sakana...
I've skied the Sakana and they are crazy fun. Remind me a little of the sick day 102 but with more float. The Sakana is awesome for nosebutters and carves well. It's a cool ski
mmccarthy81I really want to try the bentchetler 100s, although I’ve never actually skied the fatter ones
They are a lot of fun. Pretty much a well-rounded park ski. The bentchetler 120's are surprisingly lighter than the 100's because the 120 uses a touring core.
highpeakThey are a lot of fun. Pretty much a well-rounded park ski. The bentchetler 120's are surprisingly lighter than the 100's because the 120 uses a touring core.
I'm hoping that the 100 won't be too light, I really want it to be my fun ski for chop and crud.
mmccarthy81I'm hoping that the 100 won't be too light, I really want it to be my fun ski for chop and crud.
It wasn't too light but it was also not super fun in crud and chop. It is solid in corn snow but for harder chopped up snow you might want something damper.
Yesterday I learned that the graphic designer who did the designs for pretty much all of the 4frnt skis is no longer working with the company. In regards to actual ski technology this means nothing, but maybe that’s why they’ve taken so long to preview their 2018-2019 lineup?
Bonus fun fact: he’s now doing designs for Rayne Longboards, if you’re familiar with them.
DingoSeanweight doesn't matter. the snow density, the slope, and your ability to drive through it matter.
If you're in heavily tracked west coast dense snow, it's going to be a bitch, sure... in which case I wouldn't even bring something as wide as a 120 underfoot rockered ski.. I'd go about 100-110 and keep my speed up as fast as I can...but if you're at say.. Wolf Creek, Colorado on February 22nd when they had 33" of 4% density snow with ratios in the 1:20 range... it doesn't matter if it gets tracked up.
Weight makes a huuge difference man. While companies have been making lighter skis work better in adverse conditions, they still aren't even close to the same as a heavy, damp ski in crud.
TheVictatorYesterday I learned that the graphic designer who did the designs for pretty much all of the 4frnt skis is no longer working with the company. In regards to actual ski technology this means nothing, but maybe that’s why they’ve taken so long to preview their 2018-2019 lineup?
Bonus fun fact: he’s now doing designs for Rayne Longboards, if you’re familiar with them.
