Recommendations for an all mtn/park/jib ski

There are very few full camber skis available now that aren't stiff, mid 80's waisted park/pipe skis. The Volkl Revolt 87, Fisher Nightstix, Salomon NFX are all stiff, cambered skis that are great and stable on hard pack and ice but will not be as fun for jibbing and aren't as versatile all mountain if you do run into softer snow. I've had 2 pairs of the Volkl Wall(old name of Volkl Revolt 87) and they are great on harder snow but not as fun in mixed conditions. Now ski the 84mm Head Framewall as my park/hard snow ski and it is fantastic but I have skis at 95 and 105 underfoot when conditions are not as firm.

The Line Prophet 90 is a great charging type ski but with it's stiff tail it is not as forgiving in bumps or in the park. A ski that is solid underfoot with softer tip and tail will give good performance on hard snow yet still be fun all mountain. Find that tip/tail rocker allows you to tune edges sharp without detuning so you still get great edge grip when needed.

Many of the skis you listed are indeed softer in flex and won't be the greatest in harder snow. So the Armada's you listed, Line Blend and K2 Shreditor 102 would all be fun, playful skis but are more softer snow biased.

In the Armada line, the ARV 96 would be the best bet for harder snow but still fun all mountain. Instead of the Line Blend, go for the Line Chronic as it is narrower, stiffer and would provide way more stability while still being playful. The Volkl Revolt 95 or K2 Poacher would also be similar skis to the Chronic that do park and all mountain very well.
The ON3P Kartel 98, Moment PB&J or Black Crows Camox are fantastic skis but you won't find any of those for sale often unless you are buying them new. Might see current stock sold on a bit of a deal soon if they still have stock remaining on the 2018 models.

you are pretty much describing the stinger from HG skis

http://hgskis.com/?ski=maple-stinger

96 underfoot 178cm full camber but not too stiff. can def get flexier as you break them in.

the point that doesnt mix is cheaper. retail is expensive but use "TRU" coupon code for $150 off at check out.

Perhaps its still a bit out of your price range, you may be able to find some used ones for sale but they dont make many pairs so i'm not sure how to help you there. I think you'd be best off saving up to get the ski you want vs going for a cheaper used alternative and sacrificing some of characteristics you really want.



Best of luck to you!

I can vouch for the camox,amazing ski but doesn’t tick all your boxes and could get pretty beat in the park.
Another ski off the top of my head would be the line sick day?

Greg_KIn the Armada line, the ARV 96 would be the best bet for harder snow but still fun all mountain. Instead of the Line Blend, go for the Line Chronic as it is narrower, stiffer and would provide way more stability while still being playful. The Volkl Revolt 95 or K2 Poacher would also be similar skis to the Chronic that do park and all mountain very well.
The ON3P Kartel 98, Moment PB&J or Black Crows Camox are fantastic skis but you won't find any of those for sale often unless you are buying them new. Might see current stock sold on a bit of a deal soon if they still have stock remaining on the 2018 models.

Thanks a bunch for the suggestions! I totally forgot that the poachers existed and they seem to fit the bill pretty well. I’ve been going around to a bunch of gearswaps in town and have been seeing some pb&j s around but they’re all still 400 bucks which kinda blows. As well, I’ll have to look into the revolt 95s and the arv 96s. In your opinion, how to the arv 106s do in the park? There is a pair of 188 arv106s on craigslist rn for 325 with only one mount. A little pricey for what I’m looking for but seem to fit the bill. I don’t hit many rails and when I do it’s a pretty simple trick so my edges don’t normally get too borked. I’m more of a jumps guy.

-Danyou are pretty much describing the stinger from HG skis

http://hgskis.com/?ski=maple-stinger

96 underfoot 178cm full camber but not too stiff. can def get flexier as you break them in.

the point that doesnt mix is cheaper. retail is expensive but use "TRU" coupon code for $150 off at check out.

Perhaps its still a bit out of your price range, you may be able to find some used ones for sale but they dont make many pairs so i'm not sure how to help you there. I think you'd be best off saving up to get the ski you want vs going for a cheaper used alternative and sacrificing some of characteristics you really want.



Best of luck to you!

Thanks for the suggestion and the discount code man! Like you said, still a little out of my price range haha. Question though, is hg ever going to look at making like a 184-186 transfer or stinger? I usually rip skis in the mid 180s so 178 might be a little squirrely for me especially with the center mount. With all that being said, I’ve always thought about snagging a pair of the el’s and using them as a park setup so maybe that discount code will get some use in the future haha.

powpatrolI can vouch for the camox,amazing ski but doesn’t tick all your boxes and could get pretty beat in the park.
Another ski off the top of my head would be the line sick day?

Sick days have been in the back of my mind for a bit too. I think one of the shops in town has an old pair of SD95?s for sale pretty cheap so maybe I’ll have to take a peep at those.

The ARV series gets a touch stiffer as you get wider so the ARV 106 would have a nice flex and if you aren't doing rails much, the fact that it has regular sized edges vs the beefier edges you get on the ARV 86/96 isn't that big of a deal. They figured less people would be hitting rails with that width and went with regular edges to save weight. The 188 size would also be more stable than the 180 and if the mount is properly sealed, it's more of a cosmetic thing and previous mounts are sometimes hidden under the new bindings anyway. Good deal if the skis are in good shape and not abused. The 2019 ARV 106 gets the beefy edges, new core construction, stiffer flex and different shape but would be tough to get a deal until next year. Only concern would be of the width for a ski you want for hard pack use as most east coast skiers use 70-80's width is for hard snow and you're getting close to the width of the Meridians.

The Line Sick Day 95 is a fun playful ski but one of it's weaknesses is grip or harder snow and that's what this years series of Sick Day 94, 104 and 114 improve upon. If you can find a deal on the new Sick Day 94, I'd consider it as works well all mountain and has more of backbone and more pop than last years 95.

What's your height/weight, where do you normally ski and whats the length of the Prophets and Meridians?

Greg_KWhat's your height/weight, where do you normally ski and whats the length of the Prophets and Meridians?

Im 5'8 and 160-170 on the lbs. I ski all around but im at Mt Bachelor this year and heading to Bridger Bowl in Montana for the next few seasons. I ski the prophets in the 186 and the Meridians in the 187. The Meridians I purposefully got long because I wanted a hard charging ski to bust through chop and stuff but the Prophets are my dad's and I ride them on icy days since he doesn't get out too much. The only skis with actual camber i have in my quiver is my Billy Goats and Jeff 114s and they're not the type of skis one would want to take out on a firm/icy groomer day haha. I wouldn't mind a longer ski but if I'm going to be ripping park I feel comfortable in the 180-186 range, not any lower. Pretty much looking for something that has camber (for firm edge hold) and is stiff without any metal reinforcement.

Greg_K

Also forgot to mention, I am pretty well versed on what goes into a ski and how it will perform. I wouldn't mind some suggestions from like 5 years ago too because, to be honest, these skis im looking for wouldn't get too much use since im heading to college next year. Honestly, I don't even know why I made this thread in the first place because I'm going to have to get rid of half my quiver before college haha. I already have like 8 pairs of skis, so really, do I need another?

Can't go wrong with poachers, love mine to death

ZypherThanks for the suggestion and the discount code man! Like you said, still a little out of my price range haha. Question though, is hg ever going to look at making like a 184-186 transfer or stinger? I usually rip skis in the mid 180s so 178 might be a little squirrely for me especially with the center mount. With all that being said, I’ve always thought about snagging a pair of the el’s and using them as a park setup so maybe that discount code will get some use in the future haha.

I'm 6'3" and did a ~100 days on the 178 stinger. I don't ski very aggressively and it was strictly a rails ski with some jumps in the mix 40ft tops. Loved it as a daily driver for those times. I don't know if the 18X stinger or transfer is on the way. i wish.



I am currently on the El as my everything ski so its funny you mentioned that. Still mostly in the park and very little jumping. I love them. I don't really notice much difference in terms of the few extra cm since these are rockered and the stinger is cambered. The width underfoot is a difference I appreciate and for the els are actually a lil bit lighter than the stinger which probably is a super small difference but gives me more confidence when its time to get the tails up and over lipsliding a bigger rail.

You're talking to a guy who has bought and sold 16 pairs of skis in the last 3 years, so I feel your "too many skis but I want more" first world problems. lol
I'm now down to 4 pairs I love and they all get lots of use. Being more East coast the 105 gets the least use but it rocks in crud at speed so it still gets used when I'm not out West. Like having skis that are similar in feel to each other(but geared towards certain snow types) so switching between them is easy but since they all have that "do everything pretty well" quality I never feel like I HAVE to switch when conditions change during the day. Nice to have a quiver but hate having skis that are TOO niche in that they do only one thing/condition well. Much rather have 3 or 4 skis that I love.

You mentioned the Jeffries which is a great all mountain playful charger in that 114mm range that does everything well and I would look for skis in the "playful charger" range in smaller widths to match it's flex pattern and feel. The Moment PB&J, Kartel 108 or 98 or Line SFB(especially the older 108 width version), Atomic Backland 102, Blizzard Rustler 10 or ARV 106 would be skis in the next width down that would still do everything well but get better on harder snow. Or if you love the Meridians you have, use it in this width range.

You could then do a Line Chronic/Revolt 95/Poachers/ARV 96 for the next size down for park/no new or not much snow days. If you have a ski close to the 100mm range already(or get one) that does a decent job on groomers, then I'd consider getting into a solid mid 80's twin like the Head Framewall, Volkl Wall/Revolt 87, Atomic Punx, NFX or Fisher Night Stix for your park/hard snow ski. Good in the park and could ski the groomers as well.
Love my Framewalls for this type of ski-Rips the park, hard snow/ice and can still go through afternoon crud quite well. Damp, solid feeling ski that carves at 60mph with ease. The Black Crows Venors were beginner style twins that aren't stiff enough, damp enough for hard snow and were easily bucked around. I don't think it's their width that was the issue. It was probably that they were too light, too soft and too unstable compared to all your other skis.

Honestly the older used park skis are usually destroyed after a few years use but most models only change cosmetics yearly as you know so lots of places like ASOgear.com/Corbetts.com or Level9 would have deals on last years/few years older models for your park/hard snow ski. Wider skis you might have a better chance of finding them used but still in great condition if you don't use the wider skis you already have.

**This post was edited on Feb 16th 2018 at 8:37:47pm

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