Another mother ducking school shooting

Parchesthe "First World": The bloc of democratic-industrial countries within the American influence sphere.

the "Second World": The Eastern bloc of the communist-socialist states.

I'm gonna go with no

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I thought the exact same thing. people misuse those terms so much when comparing the qualities of nations.

The.Fishmove to canada

I choked, I mean no joking in the school shooting thread >:^

Those videos of kids snap chats of their class rooms getting shot up are absolutely heart wrenching. Jesus Christ I can’t even fathom that happening.
I’m not getting into a gun control debate but there’s no fuckin reason ar-15’s or any assault rifle should be easier to buy than a hand gun. In my eyes assault rifles shouldn’t be available to the general public period.
And you shouldn’t have to have armed guards outside of a fucking school. Kids shouldn’t have to be scared to go fucking SCHOOL. This shouldn’t be the reality of modern America. Like when is shit gonna change man.

BubbleBuddyyou either pay for insurance or pay taxes to fund socialized healthcare. nothing is free bud. also you have to take into account that we have a much larger population than great britain and that in turn makes it harder to enact entitlement programs on that large of a scale

I would rather pay $100 more a month in taxes and have every American be covered than have to pay $300 a month just for myself.
Yes we have a larger population but that’s more income to tax.
But like said before we should really spend more efficiently and stop bullshit like the war on weed.

BubbleBuddyand as for op, we are by no means a second world country. if we were, we could say the same thing about places like england and sweden that are practically overrun with terrorists that drive cars into people and rape women.

Is your information source 9gag?

As a swede, I'm lost.

I still don't see why we don't have more trained teachers in our school that have concealed carry permits and know how to use their firearms. People always think that it will be bad to mix minors and firearms, but what will happen if the teachers either have the firearm on them or safely locked away somewhere in the school. It's not like a second grade teacher will get overpowered by a bunch of 8 year olds who will take their weapon and use it against the school. It only takes 2-3, maybe even 1 armed teacher to stop a shooting.

For everyone calling an ar-15 an assault rifle, you are wrong and uneducated.

Can we at least do something to prevent these? It doesn’t even have to be gun control, but literally anything aside from just saying “that’s sad”

It's hard to see how sick our american society is save for when the symptoms are manifested in events like these.

Americans love guns too much to change any of this. It's going to keep happening until you have actual real gun control like other developed countries. Arming more people is not a solution you fucking idiots...

But whatever, keep ignoring your problems and have more massacres. I don't give a shit.

chickenAmericans love guns too much to change any of this. It's going to keep happening until you have actual real gun control like other developed countries. Arming more people is not a solution you fucking idiots...

But whatever, keep ignoring your problems and have more massacres. I don't give a shit.

People keep saying this as if there is a good gun control solution.

chickenAmericans love guns too much to change any of this. It's going to keep happening until you have actual real gun control like other developed countries. Arming more people is not a solution you fucking idiots...

But whatever, keep ignoring your problems and have more massacres. I don't give a shit.

The conservatives are now in agreement that America's gun massacre problem is a result of the fact that "Jesus is no longer in the schools" or some shit. They think a lack of formal Christian schooling is the problem. Not the guns or anything else, it's cuz Jesus.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore

What is the monetary motivation for gun control?

The monetary motivation to keep guns legal is blatantly obvious.

What motivation do people have to get rid of guns other than just safety? Genuine question

BubbleBuddyand as for op, we are by no means a second world country. if we were, we could say the same thing about places like england and sweden that are practically overrun with terrorists that drive cars into people and rape women.

Hmmmmm, maybe if we had guns in England and Sweden we could protect ourselves against all these terrorists that are driving cars into people and raping all our women.....

Sorry for the sarcasm but don't believe what your fed on fox news bro because thats just utter bullshit.

By the way we had a school shooting in Dunblane 20 years ago were some fuckhead shot 16 young kids and their teacher with a handgun. After that we banned all handguns and guess what, not a single school shooting since.

Jah-BeefFor everyone calling an ar-15 an assault rifle, you are wrong and uneducated.

who cares if an AR15 is an assault rifle or not, give me one good reason why anyone other than the military would ever need one?

theabortionatorIf we got rid of the drug war, cut back out "defense" spending, that would be a pretty good start.

well thanks to our "defense" spending isis has virtually been reduced to shreds

BubbleBuddywell thanks to our "defense" spending isis has virtually been reduced to shreds

Well if we would of spent our money only on Afghanistan and Pakistan and not fucking gone to Iraq to begin with not only would of ISIS never would of been created but we would of uprooted the Taliban by now.

AR as in AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle. Not Assault Rifle.

Its honestly tough for me to think that there would be an actual solution. its a culture thing and you cant really change culture through laws and regulations.

the difference between us and Canada, Australia, or most european countries where they have strict gun control and little gun violence is that they dont have the crime culture that we have, you cant compare us. in a lot of areas we literally rival violent 3rd world countries in terms of crime rate, thats not an issue Australia, Sweden, etc. can even get close to relating to. Look at the countries with the most gun violence and they have extremely strict gun control for the most part.

That crime accounts for the majority of gun related deaths. Rifles alone account for something like 1500 deaths per year in the US? (forget the number exactly) with AR-15's being just a sub category of that already very low number. Blunt objects and knives especially kill way more people. I feel like it just happens to be the weapon used for these shootings simply because they're an extremely popular rifle, so pure odds would make it the weapon of choice. I know these shootings are extremely shocking and sad, but looking purely at the statistics, the AR is a pretty innocent rifle, especially for how popular and widespread they are.

The AR-15 isnt an issue, outlawing it or any other semi auto rifle isnt going to stop someone from getting an equally deadly pistol, shotgun, other rifle, etc.. and doing the same thing. its like outlawing tequila to reduce drunk driving deaths, theres other ways to get drunk. the number would stay the same it would just be done with a slightly different tool.

"gun control" would just be a useless emotional response because "something has to be done" And IMO its not worth fucking with innocent peoples rights just so we can have a feel good emotional response that wont have any effect, just so we can say we did something.

Its funny how the redneck gun loving NRA memebers get so much shit for not wanting their gun rights taken away. they account for literally none of this crap and they arent, for the most part, a part of the culture thats the problem.

kids are just fucked up now, theres a huge difference even now from when i graduated highschool, its pretty insane how quickly these became more and more frequent. i dont know how you pinpoint the cause of our fucked up youth culture, i think its a combination of a lot of things and i definitely dont know how you'd begin to change it.

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50KalWell if we would of spent our money only on Afghanistan and Pakistan and not fucking gone to Iraq to begin with not only would of ISIS never would of been created but we would of uprooted the Taliban by now.

who's to say that isis or other radical islamic terrorist groups never would've been created? just because the us military isn't in one place doesn't mean that everything is gonna be completely peaceful there

XtRemE11Its honestly tough for me to think that there would be an actual solution. its a culture thing and you cant really change culture through laws and regulations.

the difference between us and Canada, Australia, or most european countries where they have strict gun control and little gun violence is that they dont have the crime culture that we have, you cant compare us. in a lot of areas we literally rival violent 3rd world countries in terms of crime rate, thats not an issue Australia, Sweden, etc. can even get close to relating to. Look at the countries with the most gun violence and they have extremely strict gun control for the most part.

That crime accounts for the majority of gun related deaths. Rifles alone account for something like 1500 deaths per year in the US? (forget the number exactly) with AR-15's being just a sub category of that already very low number. Blunt objects and knives especially kill way more people. I feel like it just happens to be the weapon used for these shootings simply because they're an extremely popular rifle, so pure odds would make it the weapon of choice. I know these shootings are extremely shocking and sad, but looking purely at the statistics, the AR is a pretty innocent rifle, especially for how popular and widespread they are.

The AR-15 isnt an issue, outlawing it or any other semi auto rifle isnt going to stop someone from getting an equally deadly pistol, shotgun, other rifle, etc.. and doing the same thing. its like outlawing tequila to reduce drunk driving deaths, theres other ways to get drunk. the number would stay the same it would just be done with a slightly different tool.

"gun control" would just be a useless emotional response because "something has to be done" And IMO its not worth fucking with innocent peoples rights just so we can have a feel good emotional response that wont have any effect, just so we can say we did something.

Its funny how the redneck gun loving NRA memebers get so much shit for not wanting their gun rights taken away. they account for literally none of this crap and they arent, for the most part, a part of the culture thats the problem.

kids are just fucked up now, theres a huge difference even now from when i graduated highschool, its pretty insane how quickly these became more and more frequent. i dont know how you pinpoint the cause of our fucked up youth culture, i think its a combination of a lot of things and i definitely dont know how you'd begin to change it.

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So don't try to do anything, because obviously nothing will work. Gotcha.

Don't tread on meeeeeee

theabortionatorSo don't try to do anything, because obviously nothing will work. Gotcha.

Don't tread on meeeeeee

I'm not saying dont try anything, im saying dont point fingers at people who have nothing to do with it, and start throwing shit at a wall hoping something sticks.

KneesSalsasIs your information source 9gag?

As a swede, I'm lost.

Malmo has one of the highest reported rape levels in the EU

stimpyskierAR as in AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle. Not Assault Rifle.

How many times can I see this stupid comment...

The nomenclature is irrelevant.

It's still an assault rifle. It may not shoot fully automatic but that doesn't change that it is a rifle designed with one purpose in mind: killing as many humans as efficiently as possible.

The main driving force behind that little tidbit of knowledge you decided to bless us with is the NSSF, who pushes to call them sporting rifles because they are largely invested in selling more guns and pushing a narrative that is counter to the actual origin of the weapon. They have a whole campaign against the term assault rifle because of politically charged it is.

This is to sell more guns. Call a spade a spade.

BubbleBuddywell thanks to our "defense" spending isis has virtually been reduced to shreds

BubbleBuddywho's to say that isis or other radical islamic terrorist groups never would've been created? just because the us military isn't in one place doesn't mean that everything is gonna be completely peaceful there

lol

Part 1: https://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0
Part 2: https://youtu.be/a9UFyNy-rw4

What has happened is fukin horrible but all of u watch this 2 part vid and see how stupid u r with ur gun laws and thinking they're fine

BubbleBuddyMalmo has one of the highest reported rape levels in the EU

"The figures peaked in 2014. The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher.

Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005.

Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately.

That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.

In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.

Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics."


I don't know if you're from the US (and I don't want to sound offensive at all to anyone from the US) but you should really look at your country and take care of it. Not a single country in Europe, even the poorest (Romania, Bulgaria, Kosovo, etc) is close to the violence that occurs in America. We take care of ours, we are #1 for best quality of life in the world. So don't worry about the fake news.
I love american people and it's so unfair that terrible things happen everyday...


(Btw a very easy check can help to spot fake news, it's the first result in Google)

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XtRemE11Its honestly tough for me to think that there would be an actual solution. its a culture thing and you cant really change culture through laws and regulations.

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Have to disagree, the number one issue by far and large is the lack of gun control, even if you look at other countries, in spite of what you claim loose gun control correlates with mass shootings' prevalence and also how lethal violent crimes are. Take a few minutes to read this article, it is an excellent write up of the data we have and picks up a lot of your points which simply cannot be explained by any objective findings: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html
Fact is the US is an incredible outlier in how many guns you own and frankly I have no idea how deep you have to have your head in the sand to claim that it is not an issue.

mmccarthy81but I’d be damn impressed if somebody could kill 50 people at a nightclub or concert with a handgun

It takes 2 seconds to change a mag (like a new one in before the old one hits the floor), so unless you ban all magazine accepting weapons or make it extremely difficult to change mags, I'm gonna have to politely disagree.

Some good thoughts in this thread. I'm tired of gun debates, but had to chime in on this part.

IsitWinterYet17It takes 2 seconds to change a mag (like a new one in before the old one hits the floor), so unless you ban all magazine accepting weapons or make it extremely difficult to change mags, I'm gonna have to politely disagree.

Some good thoughts in this thread. I'm tired of gun debates, but had to chime in on this part.

Alright dude still, AR with 30 round mag; handgun with 7 round mag. Weigh the difference. I don’t care how fast a shooter can reload, less innocent people would be killed without assault rifles and big magazines.

TomWallnussHave to disagree, the number one issue by far and large is the lack of gun control, even if you look at other countries, in spite of what you claim loose gun control correlates with mass shootings' prevalence and also how lethal violent crimes are. Take a few minutes to read this article, it is an excellent write up of the data we have and picks up a lot of your points which simply cannot be explained by any objective findings: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html
Fact is the US is an incredible outlier in how many guns you own and frankly I have no idea how deep you have to have your head in the sand to claim that it is not an issue.

I’m not against gun control, I definitely think we need to at least work on making what we have actually effective and get rid of loop holes, not necessarily make gun control more restrictive.

But I disagree that gun control is the major issue, it’s our gang and crime culture, by far. Guns are a tool they use, yes, but the issue starts with gang violence not what they use to implement it.

I know that article said other countries have similar crime rates yet lower gun deaths, I couldn’t read the article the statistics were coming from, but it didn’t mention anything about violent and gang crime, just crime in general. I’d really like to see how anyone could somehow compare our huge crime peoblem and drug war to Australia or Finland. We have something like 30,000+ gangs and gang members that total 1/8th of some of the populations of these European countries we’re being compared to.
The sad thing is that this accounts for 80% of our gun crime, yet gets almost no media attention at all. We have a school shooting and people quickly point to statistics that include all this crime. But don’t address it separately even thought it makes up the extreme majority of the problem.

When you compare us to other countries with much stricter gun control and lower gun ownership(not just the carefully selected examples to fit a narrative) we actually look pretty damn good. Some of our cities have gang and crime problems that rival some of the most violent countries, so to be fair I don’t think we can just compare to 1st world countries. Here’s an interesting article regarding that...
https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries

Then look at certain states that’s don’t have large cities with big gang problems, Utah, Wyoming, etc, and certainly counties with the highest gun ownership in the country, and we have ridiculously high gun ownership, even for the US, yet extremely low gun related crime.
Again, that just suggests even more that as a whole, our gun death problem is a culture issue not gun issue.

My biggest problem with this is the finger pointing from the super liberals saying some gun loving redneck NRA member in Montana is the problem and needs to give up
his rights because Chicago and DC has a crime problem. Or some kid with shitty parents and loaded up on meds decided to shoot up a school. It’s essencially saying “hey these people 1000 miles away have issues and can’t handle a gun so we’re going to take yours” and when they show any resistance, they’re labeled and told they are responsible for our gun violence issues and need to give up their rights. There’s a huge disconnect.

For that reason I think the resistance to just throwing out more gun control measures hoping something will work is well justified. It’s easy for somebody in a big city who’s never seen a gun to say “ just do something” but for certain people, people who aren’t any part of the problem, your fucking with their way of life, taking away their rights and saying shame on you for not liking it.

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Anyone else want to kill the shooter or is that just me?

DieselChevysAnyone else want to kill the shooter or is that just me?

I wish there was auto death penalty where when you kill more than two people in a situation like this. your execution would be within 5 days of the incident and no one has to deal with you.

Everyone talks about safety and freedom. People want guns because "Look at me and my gun!" or "Wow these things are cool!"

They need bigger and better, they need everything they can get. Sure there are people who are simply delusional and think they're going to fight the government with their guns someday, but not as many.

People just don't want to give up what makes them cool, or have less toys to shoot. Taking away their gun is like taking away their dirtbike or sand car. Now what am I going to show off to my friends. Now what am I going to play with on the weekends?

It just sucks that people's ability to brag about how cool their guns are, and having cool toys to play with, is more important than peoples lives. The discussion doesn't even make it to the point of figuring out what options are reasonable, what will work, what might not work. How far is too far. It breaks down right from the start as soon as somebody mentions "gun control" even in the smallest bit.

It's nice to live in a country where you can't even talk about making some changes after all these shooting, because some rednecks love their toys.

theabortionatorEveryone talks about safety and freedom. People want guns because "Look at me and my gun!" or "Wow these things are cool!"

They need bigger and better, they need everything they can get. Sure there are people who are simply delusional and think they're going to fight the government with their guns someday, but not as many.

People just don't want to give up what makes them cool, or have less toys to shoot. Taking away their gun is like taking away their dirtbike or sand car. Now what am I going to show off to my friends. Now what am I going to play with on the weekends?

It just sucks that people's ability to brag about how cool their guns are, and having cool toys to play with, is more important than peoples lives. The discussion doesn't even make it to the point of figuring out what options are reasonable, what will work, what might not work. How far is too far. It breaks down right from the start as soon as somebody mentions "gun control" even in the smallest bit.

It's nice to live in a country where you can't even talk about making some changes after all these shooting, because some rednecks love their toys.

You do realize you are on the opposite end of the spectrum and anytime anyone says anything pro gun you instantly shoot it down? It’s not just the red neck gun lovers who can’t have a decent conversation.

50KalWell if we would of spent our money only on Afghanistan and Pakistan and not fucking gone to Iraq to begin with not only would of ISIS never would of been created but we would of uprooted the Taliban by now.

We shouldn't even do that. Fuck those places, spend the money here, there's plenty of people here who can benefit from it.

AomameWe shouldn't even do that. Fuck those places, spend the money here, there's plenty of people here who can benefit from it.

So you’re gonna have to go back to the conversation early but I was talking about how we should of not spent money in Fighting Iraq but spent all that money fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
We didn’t go round giving out wads of cash. We gave out lead suppository. Because of 9/11.

theabortionatorEveryone talks about safety and freedom. People want guns because "Look at me and my gun!" or "Wow these things are cool!"

They need bigger and better, they need everything they can get. Sure there are people who are simply delusional and think they're going to fight the government with their guns someday, but not as many.

People just don't want to give up what makes them cool, or have less toys to shoot. Taking away their gun is like taking away their dirtbike or sand car. Now what am I going to show off to my friends. Now what am I going to play with on the weekends?

It just sucks that people's ability to brag about how cool their guns are, and having cool toys to play with, is more important than peoples lives. The discussion doesn't even make it to the point of figuring out what options are reasonable, what will work, what might not work. How far is too far. It breaks down right from the start as soon as somebody mentions "gun control" even in the smallest bit.

It's nice to live in a country where you can't even talk about making some changes after all these shooting, because some rednecks love their toys.

Wow, breath of fresh air

You guys wonder why nothing is being done, but none of you in this thread have come together with a solution. It’s all just “I’m 100% right, you’re 100% wrong”.

I am not saying I have the solution. But I grew up in Idaho and around guns. Hell, yesterday when I was driving home from skiing I passed 2 people on the side of the road carrying rifles. I wasn’t scared in the slightest. However, if I would have been driving somewhere in a large city and seen 2 people carrying guns I would be a little bit more worried.

You have to realize that guns are a part of some cultures, those “rednecks” are actually smarter than you think, because they actually know how to handle a gun responsibly.

But just because they know how to handle them responsibly doesn’t mean nothing should be done.

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.

There can still be guns, but there needs to be gun control.

Should we put limits on who can own guns? If so, what are those limits?

For anyone to buy a gun I think they should:
1) Receive check up from physician/psychologist.
2) Referall from family/friends saying their healthy enough for a gun.
3) Background check.
4) Gun safety/hunters education course.

Fucking fantastic

https://youtu.be/yJqfNroFp8U

TheHamburglarFucking fantastic

https://youtu.be/yJqfNroFp8U

Hahaha this is great

Fuck im kinda conservative with gun laws but im sick of this shit. Id get rid of my AR’s bcuz guilt but problem is A: get ripped off selling guns to pawn shop which could be bought by a psycho or B: liquidate the guns essentially burning up thousands of $ fuck that. Gun restrictions will help but they need to come up with a better way to get guns off the street other than bs gun buybacks paying pennies on the dollar F that too.
And i usually defend cops and roll my eyes when people get on their racism tangents but seriously whats uo with cops beating the shit outta blacks for driving a car with a burnt out light but carefully escort a school shooter. Why arent these mfuckers showing up to pretrial with half an eye (and i mean one eye fully ripped out and only half the other eye left). If were going to glorify these shooters and paste their faces and names all over national/international tv why arent we showing how fucking badly we will tear them apart? They better make sure they arent captured alive. Fuck!