Another mother ducking school shooting

lmmccGod this is so horrible. This keeps happening over and over again and it doesn't even seem like it's happening less often, unfortunately the opposite is true. The worst part is I feel like we're all getting desensitized a bit more every time this happens and it's just becoming more normal which should never be the case. When is this ever going to stop? Kids shouldn't have to go to school and worry about if they are going to come home or not, and that's starting to become the case.

lmmccThe worst part is I feel like we're all getting desensitized a bit more every time this happens

The.FishAt my school, if you post anything close to a threat on social media, you get expelled with no questions asked

LonelyWe had a few bomb threats at my old high school.

A kid that I knew who was straight af drew a stick figure with a gun. Police came and talked to him and he got an in school suspension.

It just sucks that we live in a world where you have to worry about getting shot in high school. What can we do? Arm teachers? Have home monitoring? Idk

The.FishAt my school, if you post anything close to a threat on social media, you get expelled with no questions asked

The.Fishmove to canada

LonelyActually got an offer to do an internship in bc. But I'm tryna get a little farther in my education and MTU has a crime rate of like .03

The.FishDo you think its safer to go to a school that had a shooting in the past? Cause one of my options for college had one in the last couple of years.

theBearJewI kind of felt the same way about all of these. And its understandable, but then it happens not just close to home, but home. I grew up in Parkland, that is my fucking home town. So many of my friends graduated from that school, I used to work there for summers. I watch national news right now and they are in my backyard. Its is unreal, you never think it will happen in your city or your town, until it does.


I dont know how to prevent these or if it is even possible at this point to stop them. But to lessen them, to help these kids who need it most, that is the only way. Everything I am reading has students saying he used to carry guns and the things he posted on social media in hindsight were clear red flags. To do an act like this you have to be mentally unstable, he was expelled from the HS and its not being reported as to why yet.

I still can't believe this happened in fucking Parkland. We all always joked about how nobody knew were our town was even if they lived 30-45 mins away. Now the whole fucking country knows where we are.

theabortionator2 things we suck at as a country. Gun control, and mental health issues.

And we seem to be pretty against making any changes on either of those.

theBearJewI kind of felt the same way about all of these. And its understandable, but then it happens not just close to home, but home. I grew up in Parkland, that is my fucking home town. So many of my friends graduated from that school, I used to work there for summers. I watch national news right now and they are in my backyard. Its is unreal, you never think it will happen in your city or your town, until it does.


I dont know how to prevent these or if it is even possible at this point to stop them. But to lessen them, to help these kids who need it most, that is the only way. Everything I am reading has students saying he used to carry guns and the things he posted on social media in hindsight were clear red flags. To do an act like this you have to be mentally unstable, he was expelled from the HS and its not being reported as to why yet.

I still can't believe this happened in fucking Parkland. We all always joked about how nobody knew were our town was even if they lived 30-45 mins away. Now the whole fucking country knows where we are.

Ryan5_MNThere are obviously no direct answers to solving this too-frequent issue, but an interesting movie I watched in one of my courses last semester brought up some interesting ideas. It wasn't even an assigned movie and I only watched it because we could write a reflection paper on it for extra credit (gen-eds at my school are a joke) but im glad I did. It is called "Tough Guise" and basically looked at the causes of some of these school shootings and how the shooters were motivated. Highly recommended, and I think the general public could learn a lot from it, tbh. Basically by the numbers almost all shooters were male, and a lot of their motivations stemmed from some sort of bullying. I cant remember a whole lot of details, but it was refreshing to see some research actually being done to analyze some of these cases rather than just point fingers at the NRA, or debate about mental health, which have obviously gone no where.

theabortionatorGun control talk goes nowhere because of the lobbying and "don't tread on me" 'Muricans who think they're going to stand up in the streets and revolt against the government.

Mental health a lot of times because though it's improve, it's still ridiculously stigmatized. People are scared to get help, people judge the fuck out of people with mental health issues, there isn't much in place to help people, and people don't really know that much about them.

Also you don't really need a movie to tell you that most shooters are males .

LonelyWe had a few bomb threats at my old high school.

A kid that I knew who was straight af drew a stick figure with a gun. Police came and talked to him and he got an in school suspension.

It just sucks that we live in a world where you have to worry about getting shot in high school. What can we do? Arm teachers? Have home monitoring? Idk

lmmccSeems like no matter how many shootings happen nothing ever changes. The government is stuck in a gridlock and is too deeply divided to actually makes changes.

BubbleBuddyand as for op, we are by no means a second world country. if we were, we could say the same thing about places like england and sweden that are practically overrun with terrorists that drive cars into people and rape women.

50KalI know we can’t change gun laws because fucking idiots think they are being “oppressed “ if any law change to guns happen but can we agree America is no longer a 1st world country?
With the amount gun violence that happens we are 2nd world country that just happens to have a big military.

17 confirmed dead. High school in Florida.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html

theBearJewI still can't believe this happened in fucking Parkland. We all always joked about how nobody knew were our town was even if they lived 30-45 mins away. Now the whole fucking country knows where we are.

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Parchesthe "First World": The bloc of democratic-industrial countries within the American influence sphere.

the "Second World": The Eastern bloc of the communist-socialist states.

I'm gonna go with no

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TheSmokinLKinda interested in thoughts on this, I think mental health is a huge issue at hand. The kid would’ve brought a gun no matter what. When you intend to hurt someone - you find a way. I work in a corporate environment where our security guard, who is a military vet and had 10+ years of SWAT experience, cannot carry on our premises. I’ve worked here 8 months and we’ve been on lockdown 5 times from gun/bomb threats.

I think it would make some sense to have guys like this be a presence and carry for a school. Most schools should have officers/retired military, my high school did and he could carry on the premises (WV). Not sure if this is still in place though, it’s been 6+ years. Does anyone else’s school have this? It really outweighs the bad imo, I just always hope there’s a way that the “next” shooting could be prevented/lessened to an extent. Thoughts and prayers shouldn’t be our only recourse.

DeebieSkeebieshappens everywhere, its just we are the western US and that gets more priority over say that taliban attack in afghanistan a few weeks ago that killed way more people. and its the US and our government has pretty much decided that protecting guns is more important than people and dead school children so theres that

TheSmokinLKinda interested in thoughts on this, I think mental health is a huge issue at hand. The kid would’ve brought a gun no matter what. When you intend to hurt someone - you find a way. I work in a corporate environment where our security guard, who is a military vet and had 10+ years of SWAT experience, cannot carry on our premises. I’ve worked here 8 months and we’ve been on lockdown 5 times from gun/bomb threats.

I think it would make some sense to have guys like this be a presence and carry for a school. Most schools should have officers/retired military, my high school did and he could carry on the premises (WV). Not sure if this is still in place though, it’s been 6+ years. Does anyone else’s school have this? It really outweighs the bad imo, I just always hope there’s a way that the “next” shooting could be prevented/lessened to an extent. Thoughts and prayers shouldn’t be our only recourse.

theabortionatorSo we shouldn't do anything about gun control, but we should have armed guards in every high school? I get this as a temporary solution maybe but it isn't the answer long term. The reason we have so many of these has a lot to do with how accessible guns our and our gun culture.

It just bothers me how common this is becoming. It's not an "OMG DID YOU HERE ABOUT THAT?!?!?!?!" but a "Oh wow, another one". And you almost don't even read into it much, because in a few weeks it'll happen somewhere else again, then another place.

To me that's not worth getting all defensive as if gun control is going to ruin freedom. But hell, obviously what we're doing is working pretty well.

.MASSHOLE.Decent idea but it raises a lot of questions.

This situation in our country is so fucked up. There's no easy fix out there. You will never be able to ban guns, but we shouldn't have 18(!) school shootings this year already.

Something needs to change.

TheSmokinLGun control will not ruin freedom if done so to allow training & background checks to be more thorough and improved. Pro gun and pro gun control can go together, by all means if we can keep mentally unsound people from having them we will - however if you want a gun you can get a gun whether law forbids you or not. This isn’t an opinion, it’s how society currently is working. And to cure this, some kids need more counseling than others, but you can’t stop an estranged person without precaution until it’s too late.

As for armed schools, sure it can be see as a temporary solution. However, it would create a few jobs for vets and establish a presence in schools that bringing a gun on your whim will likely be treated with firepower from an on-campus officer. Most kids knew our officer, had an acquaintance relation with him, or just respected him as a member of our staff. He helped break up fights etc., some of our troubled kids would talk to him because they didn’t see him as a threat but as a safe ear.

theabortionatorBut we've been saying this for years. "We can't stop this" "They can still get a gun". If we had done something we'd be at least a decade closer to seeing some positive change. It's not something that can happen overnight. The guns are out there, and hell we buy more guns after a high profile shooting.

I don't think job creation is a good reason for having armed guards in schools. We could create a ton of jobs and put armed guards on our buses, walking around or parking lots at malls, on the street corner.

I'm not saying it couldn't help, but we def need to make some sort of plan, or have some rational discussions regarding guns(not taking about you but in the media, public, congress, etc) You mention anything about gun control, even background checks and people freak about "You'll never take my guns or my freeedom!!!!" and then a month later there's another mass shooting.

I really don't know what the answer is, but it sucks that people are still pushing so hard against doing anything, that it'll be several years before we see any positive changes.

TheSmokinLBelieve me, I’m feelin what you’re putting down. And the school officer isn’t like an excuse for jobs, but an alternative to nothing in this era of prominent shootings.
People won’t stop freaking out over having their guns taken away when that’s likely to never happen regardless of law change. Objectively they would likely have gun owners re-new permits more frequently & require deeper screenings for new control law but that’s another discussion altogether.

Yes, it will be stifling years, because no one can agree. Lobbyists ruin good ideas and make them extreme, rational candor isn’t met with “ok I see your side,” it’s tossed and exaggerated badly because it’s based on politics. Go figure.

BubbleBuddyand as for op, we are by no means a second world country. if we were, we could say the same thing about places like england and sweden that are practically overrun with terrorists that drive cars into people and rape women.

theabortionatorOh great. It's totally okay that it's happening in the US because it happens in Afghanistan? Oh and there were more people killed there so we're doing really well on this issue eh? What the fuck...

50KalYeah but in those countries if you get hit by a terrorist you or raped your medical bill is covered regardless if you die
or not.
In America you better have good insurance cause removeing bullets is expensive.

BubbleBuddyyou either pay for insurance or pay taxes to fund socialized healthcare. nothing is free bud. also you have to take into account that we have a much larger population than great britain and that in turn makes it harder to enact entitlement programs on that large of a scale