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Yeah dude, that darn Vail and there "non-trasnferable" policy, every other resort in the world lets you share it with your friends....

Bullshit you didn't know you couldn't use your dads pass dude, thats the weakest excuse I've ever heard.

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I think you should just be turned away if they catch you using another persons pass. The resorts get all jidf on ppl who swap passes. If you resort ppl want more money, then vote republican.

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NSdiedWOdlnI think you should just be turned away if they catch you using another persons pass. The resorts get all jidf on ppl who swap passes. If you resort ppl want more money, then vote republican.

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If lifties don't have any motivation to bust people (ie a bonus for finding people without a pass or using someone elses passes) then the employees just wouldn't do anything about it, they'd stop scanning passes, etc. This is how it works at every major ski resort, smaller mountains probably dgaf. I worked as a liftie at Moonlight (now Big Sky owned/operated) and we even had a $50 bonus or something if we caught people with someone else's pass, that was in 2006 and it definitely existed before then as well.

Easy solution is don't go skiing if you don't have a pass, I know as a young person that seems outrageous, but when you get older and look back on this OP you're going to realize "Wow I was a dumb fucking kid".

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Yeah idk sucks but seems like common sense, at whistler, the validators(not lifties but they’re dressed like us) get 100$ rewards for busting stuff like this

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50KalJust tell me this op, what ski resort offers a actual transferable ski pass?
Because I would love to know.
But yeah you and your friend owe his dad $2500.

some def exist but theyre some sort of special like corporate thing where it's a special pass that can be used by various employees of a company or something along those lines. needless to say it's a different price and not to be confused with typical season passes haha

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SofaKingSicksome def exist but theyre some sort of special like corporate thing where it's a special pass that can be used by various employees of a company or something along those lines. needless to say it's a different price and not to be confused with typical season passes haha

Gold Pass, I'm pretty sure it's literally a golden medallion.

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“I committed fraud and the mean lifty took my pass”

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CorporateSkiBumGold Pass, I'm pretty sure it's literally a golden medallion.

Many resorts offer "Corporate passes" as well that are transferable, but theyre always going to be 5-6 times more expensive than a regular season pass.

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Yeah it's legal. Yeah you shouldn't have done that.

But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.

But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.

It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.

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LonelyYeah it's legal. Yeah you shouldn't have done that.

But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.

But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.

It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.

Vail doesn't care man, some kid can trash them all they want, it will literally change nothing. Resorts are going to stand their ground on this, its the rules of the resort and they want everyone to pay to ski. Shocking, I know, but in reality someone who decides to use someone elses pass and gets caught has zero ground to stand on, they can bitch and moan all they want but in the end they were wrong, they knew the consequences and they still chose to steal the service instead of buying it.

Saying that they should be light on them is like saying that if someone walks into a shop and steals something worth $80-120 should be absolved of their wrong doings and let off with a warning. How is that an appropriate way to address someone stealing from a business? its not. Just because the general majority hates a business doesn't mean its okay to steal from them, there is no way I'm going to let you justify the actions of poaching a resort.

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eheathVail doesn't care man, some kid can trash them all they want, it will literally change nothing. Resorts are going to stand their ground on this, its the rules of the resort and they want everyone to pay to ski. Shocking, I know, but in reality someone who decides to use someone elses pass and gets caught has zero ground to stand on, they can bitch and moan all they want but in the end they were wrong, they knew the consequences and they still chose to steal the service instead of buying it.

Saying that they should be light on them is like saying that if someone walks into a shop and steals something worth $80-120 should be absolved of their wrong doings and let off with a warning. How is that an appropriate way to address someone stealing from a business? its not. Just because the general majority hates a business doesn't mean its okay to steal from them, there is no way I'm going to let you justify the actions of poaching a resort.

This along with most of what Eheath, and others, have said in this thread.

The only passes I know of which are transferable limited numbers of days. If a pass gives you 50 days at a resort it is less of a big deal for it to be transferable. By using someone else's pass you are stealing, plain and simple. I really don't know how the OP can possibly think doing this is not a big deal. Resorts make a very big deal about this, because if they didn't they would lose lots of money to this type of fraud. I'm truly amazed that the OP thinks the resort would not take this seriously. Your dad is lucky they will even sell him another pass.

If the OP thinks this is not a big deal, then perhaps this will be a good life lesson. NEVER give a fake ID to a cop, you can show one to a bouncer at the door of a bar, but showing a cop a fake ID could get you in lots of trouble. Businesses take this stuff very seriously, and what you did was basically steal from Vail resorts. I will also echo the sentiment that years from now you will realize how stupid it was to do this.

Normal season passes are NEVER transferable. Like I said, there are exceptions but they cost lots of money. We live in a day and age where season passes are relatively cheap for the most part, especially given how pricey day tickets are. I don't see how anyone could possibly think that a season pass was transferable. If they were the resorts would be out a ton of money, as people would just share them.

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First, no way this is real. But I'll play.

"Unknown to you and your friend"

Yeah sure. You don't need to see that it's no transferable, I don't think any mountain has a policy where using somebody elses pass isn't considered stealing.

As far as lifties, of course places do that. That incentive keeps people checking tickets to make sure people skiing buy tickets. If you could share a season pass with anyone the mountain would sell barely any passes because everyone would just trade.

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peterspringer10Yeah it sucks but they’re legally fully correct. Kid I know at Pats Peak did the “forgot your season pass, printed a free day pass” and then gave the day pass to his friend. Somehow they got caught and the kid ended up getting his season pass pulled, payed a $55 day ticket fine, and then ended up with fraud and identity theft on his record. Then Pats fucking banned him from the mountain. They got pretty butthurt over one little ticket.

Because they probably scan your pass. IF they don't scan then I could understand being surprised. Still probably not that many forgot passes each day, could give a list to the lifties to be on the lookout for.

If they scan, are you serious? When you print a forgotten pass ticket, it flags or shuts down your pass. If you try and use it, the system most def has that info of you saying you forgot it and getting a forgotten pass.

Not exactly rocket science to get you busted. Honestly one of the more derpy things you could do on a scannable pass.

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LonelyYeah it's legal. Yeah you shouldn't have done that.

But imo I think resorts take this a little to seriously. Give them a warning and or a 500$ fine.

But I don't see any reason to involve police or threaten with fraud charges if the individual is cooperating.

It just doesn't seem like smart business. If you fine them $500 dollars you're making back what you lost on the ticket and more. If they get two strikes their banned. But if you just pull the pass, charge them thousands of dollars, and charge them with fraud you'll get jaded kids like this guy screaming fuck Vail to every person and forum they can.

Oh god no! I would hate to upset a person for stealing. Stores should never call the police if a kid steals anything because he might get pissed off and say fuck(insert store name) That would be terrible!

Cops shouldn't arrest anyone because they might get mad and say fuck the police!

The policy is the policy and sometimes it's at the discretion of the place/people working. If you're not an asshole that goes a lot better, but it's no guarantee as you're still doing something wrong. Being nice doesn't simply make it ok.

They could make the penalty $20 and a stern talking to, maybe even yelling and shaking fist, but then everybody would do it and just pay the fine if they got caught.

An epic pass is not $500 even at the cheapest point. So even though $500 is a lot, that's not even charging them the price of that.

A lot of places run a policy of pulling the pass, and forcing the other person to buy the most full priced lift ticket. IF other person wants a pass they have to buy another at the current rate. This sounds like a similar policy.

As far as taking it too seriously, if you don't do anything about theft, people will steal. The honor system doesn't go that far.

Vail already has plenty of people bitching about them, and they're still raking in the $$$

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eheathSaying that they should be light on them is like saying that if someone walks into a shop and steals something worth $80-120 should be absolved of their wrong doings and let off with a warning. How is that an appropriate way to address someone stealing from a business? its not. Just because the general majority hates a business doesn't mean its okay to steal from them, there is no way I'm going to let you justify the actions of poaching a resort.

Man why do you do this. I never said that they should be light on them. You just love to ride your high horse and twist words. I'm saying that it should be treated like any other petty crime. If a kid gets a speeding ticket they don't immediately pull the license, fine them, and bar them from driving for life. That'd be fucking stupid. If a 16 year old steals a jacket from a store they usually get arrested. This scares the shit out of them and they usually just end up with a fine and some community service that wipes the charge off their record.

How the fuck is charging them 4 times the cost of the lift ticket and giving them a strike going easy? If they do it again charge them with fraud, ban them or whatever. I don't care. There's no need for a multimillion dollar ski resort corporation to go after a 17 year old for trying to get a free day of skiing. I know you've wouldn't understand cuz you've never done anything wrong in your life, but kids do stupid things. I think that within context they should be given some leniency.

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LonelyMan why do you do this. I never said that they should be light on them. You just love to ride your high horse and twist words. I'm saying that it should be treated like any other petty crime. If a kid gets a speeding ticket they don't immediately pull the license, fine them, and bar them from driving for life. That'd be fucking stupid. If a 16 year old steals a jacket from a store they usually get arrested. This scares the shit out of them and they usually just end up with a fine and some community service that wipes the charge off their record.

How the fuck is charging them 4 times the cost of the lift ticket and giving them a strike going easy? If they do it again charge them with fraud, ban them or whatever. I don't care. There's no need for a multimillion dollar ski resort corporation to go after a 17 year old for trying to get a free day of skiing. I know you've wouldn't understand cuz you've never done anything wrong in your life, but kids do stupid things. I think that within context they should be given some leniency.

I don't make the rules, neither do you. OP is probably not true, I don't think Vail charges you $2500 to renew your pass... we really should be taking OP with a grain of salt because its likely a troll.

That being said, a speeding ticket was a poor reference, stealing a jacket yes is more comparable, but still not $800. Each state is different, but punishment for theft depends on the value of the item stolen or in this case fraudulent use. Same thing goes for resort, each resort has rules and regulations with set punishments.

I'm going to completely ignore your personal attack, I never personally attacked you so kindly fuck off with that shit. Ive been around the ski industry long enough to know that using someone elses pass is wrong and you will get fucked over if you get caught (and dont get away from the employees) and you're very naive for thinking that resorts should just give someone a slap on the wrist for theft of services.

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eheathI don't make the rules, neither do you. OP is probably not true, I don't think Vail charges you $2500 to renew your pass... we really should be taking OP with a grain of salt because its likely a troll.

That being said, a speeding ticket was a poor reference, stealing a jacket yes is more comparable, but still not $800. Each state is different, but punishment for theft depends on the value of the item stolen or in this case fraudulent use. Same thing goes for resort, each resort has rules and regulations with set punishments.

I'm going to completely ignore your personal attack, I never personally attacked you so kindly fuck off with that shit. Ive been around the ski industry long enough to know that using someone elses pass is wrong and you will get fucked over if you get caught (and dont get away from the employees) and you're very naive for thinking that resorts should just give someone a slap on the wrist for theft of services.

Lol sorry if I hurt your feelings. You've patronized or attacked everyone on this site at one point or another. I wouldn't call $500 dollars and a strike a slap on the wrist. That's more than most tickets.

And again, I've said three times now that using someone else's pass is wrong. If they do it twice, charge them with anything you want. I get that the rules are rules. Doesn't mean they can't be questioned.

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theabortionatorBecause they probably scan your pass. IF they don't scan then I could understand being surprised. Still probably not that many forgot passes each day, could give a list to the lifties to be on the lookout for.

If they scan, are you serious? When you print a forgotten pass ticket, it flags or shuts down your pass. If you try and use it, the system most def has that info of you saying you forgot it and getting a forgotten pass.

Not exactly rocket science to get you busted. Honestly one of the more derpy things you could do on a scannable pass.

Yeah it’s a small mountain where they don’t scan or have barcodes at all on the day tickets and it wasn’t me that did it just a kid I know there. Pretty sure the ticket lady watched him hand the printed ticket to his friend right outside the office lol it was not the most intelligent thing in the world. Like I said it wasn’t me I wouldn’t risk trying, it’s not worth the $50 ticket anyways but he did and paid the price big time.

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peterspringer10Yeah it’s a small mountain where they don’t scan or have barcodes at all on the day tickets and it wasn’t me that did it just a kid I know there. Pretty sure the ticket lady watched him hand the printed ticket to his friend right outside the office lol it was not the most intelligent thing in the world. Like I said it wasn’t me I wouldn’t risk trying, it’s not worth the $50 ticket anyways but he did and paid the price big time.

Word yeah for sure. Way easier to get away with at a smaller mtn but still possible to get caught. Would need to be a little more sly the him. That said small mtns are rad, and many are barely staying in the black. I'm down to support the small places and buy a lift ticket.

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theabortionatorOh god no! I would hate to upset a person for stealing. Stores should never call the police if a kid steals anything because he might get pissed off and say fuck(insert store name) That would be terrible!

Cops shouldn't arrest anyone because they might get mad and say fuck the police!

Bit of an oversimplification. You're charging them $500 because they're stealing the day pass. You mark them and if they do it again, get the cops and courts involved. Kids do dumb things. I have never once said what he did was right, or that he shouldn't be punished. Only that the punishment needed be so sharp.

I guess since the federal government says weed is illegal its a rule. You can't question it, or how people get their lives ruined over a few g's. It's just the rules. You're breaking the law by possesing or smoking. If you get caught with grass you should be punished to the fullest extent. Even if youre just a kid trying it for the first time. Youre a godamn criminal and should be thrown in jail.

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LonelyBit of an oversimplification. You're charging them $500 because they're stealing the day pass. You mark them and if they do it again, get the cops and courts involved. Kids do dumb things. I have never once said what he did was right, or that he shouldn't be punished. Only that the punishment needed be so sharp.

I guess since the federal government says weed is illegal its a rule. You can't question it, or how people get their lives ruined over a few g's. It's just the rules. You're breaking the law by possesing or smoking. If you get caught with grass you should be punished to the fullest extent. Even if youre just a kid trying it for the first time. Youre a godamn criminal and should be thrown in jail.

I'm not saying we can't question punishments, that is fine. But I don't know why you are even bringing weed up. Weed should be legal, using someone else's pass should not.

I don't know if 2,500 is going easy, but I really don't think it is that bad. No one is having their life ruined. The kid made a mistake, this will probably mean he does not make the same mistake again. It is completely understandable for a resort to try to prevent people from doing this. It would be understandable if they banned the guy for a couple of years, they are not doing that. He is getting out of this without even a criminal record, so I think he is not really getting screwed that badly. 2,500 is not all that much money in the scheme of things.

I'm still at a loss for how a 16 year old does not know that you can't use someone else's pass. I can understand a 10 year old, but by 16 you really should have more sense than that.

And by the way, they are NOT being punished to the fullest extent of the law. The resort could have called the cops, they did not.

You can certainly question things. Someone having their life ruined for a few grams would be an example of injustice. What happened to the OP pails in comparison.

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Fuck vail. And fuck fis, even though they have nothing to do with this haha

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People pay $2500 for season passes? Fuckkkkkk

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It's theft of services you goober. Same thing they'd charge you with if you got caught walking into a movie theater without paying.

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JahAndNicoteneFuck vail. And fuck fis, even though they have nothing to do with this haha

Why “fuck Vail”? They did what has to be done to idiots like this who think they can get away with this shit. Lift tickets are expensive, but don’t be op when you get busted.

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weedooWhy “fuck Vail”? They did what has to be done to idiots like this who think they can get away with this shit. Lift tickets are expensive, but don’t be op when you get busted.

I'm just saying fuck vail in general haha. They definitely didn't call the cops and didn't ban them for life, which is commendable. They didn't do anything wrong, I'm just a hater :)

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LonelyBit of an oversimplification. You're charging them $500 because they're stealing the day pass. You mark them and if they do it again, get the cops and courts involved. Kids do dumb things. I have never once said what he did was right, or that he shouldn't be punished. Only that the punishment needed be so sharp.

I guess since the federal government says weed is illegal its a rule. You can't question it, or how people get their lives ruined over a few g's. It's just the rules. You're breaking the law by possesing or smoking. If you get caught with grass you should be punished to the fullest extent. Even if youre just a kid trying it for the first time. Youre a godamn criminal and should be thrown in jail.

LOL WUT.

Smoking weed = putting things in your own body that 0 impact on other people The fact that it's illegal, is absurd.

What the fuck does that have to do with stealing/theft of services.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/595169/DON--39-T-DO-IT-IN-THE-PARK--REAL-KICK-OUT-

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JahAndNicoteneI'm just saying fuck vail in general haha. They definitely didn't call the cops and didn't ban them for life, which is commendable. They didn't do anything wrong, I'm just a hater :)

Yeah! Down with the corporations man!!!

Vails an easy target for clueless people generally.

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theabortionatorLOL WUT.

Smoking weed = putting things in your own body that 0 impact on other people The fact that it's illegal, is absurd.

What the fuck does that have to do with stealing/theft of services.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/595169/DON--39-T-DO-IT-IN-THE-PARK--REAL-KICK-OUT-

Yeah. Bad apology tbh

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Mort’s grandma could fight this legal battle for you.

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My mountain started cracking down on this. They pulled out a stat that is something line 25-30% of potential ticket sales is lost because of people not buying tickets or using other peoples. Not sure how accurate that is but even if it 5% thats a pretty good chunk of change.
Bottom line if you go skiing somewhere, buy a pass its not worth getting caught especially with resorts implementing more technology to stop this.

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Passes should be transferrable. Would make sense, and a lot of other businesses are going that route. The pass is good for 1 persons, so what difference does it make if it's you using it that day or someone else. Still just 1 person being allowed on the hill. Festival passes and transit passes are starting to be transferrable. Don't see why ski hills can't do the same. The loss is pass sales from people sharing clearly isn't an issue if other businesses are doing it, and makes sense that the only sales lost would be the occasional single day ticket if that even.

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