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Henrik calling out XGames

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33luke33
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Xgames Bigair just finished, with Henrik taking the gooold!!! (hell yea)

In his interview afterwards he called out the new format where you have to do left AND right tricks, each one only being scored if it is left-right (every other I think?). He talked about how it should be up to the skiers to create their tricks, which I agree with.
What do you think?
Jan 27 2018 10:01PM
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jib_roni
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I agree as well. It definitely would bring out a lot more creativity. Also Vinni Cash needs to come back.
Jan 27 2018 10:05PM
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Lemuel
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I think this can be discussed in one of the existing big air threads
Jan 27 2018 10:06PM
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tdollo
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Henny is the man. Such a real dude. No one I rather have represent Freeskiing to the world
Jan 27 2018 10:06PM
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Mingg
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I definitely see what he’s saying. I view big air more as a “best trick” type of comp rather than a collection of tricks like you’d see in a slopestyle comp.

When Dew Tour did it, it made sense because the goal was separating the elements of a slopestyle course into jumps and jibs. So it just made an unofficial rule of thumb a requirement. In Big Air it almost completely changes the contest.
Jan 27 2018 10:15PM
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DIX~
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Dudes were throwing down out of the gate. If they didn't have to worry about unnatty I think we would have seen some fucked up shit. Cool to see the big spins but I feel like everyone was feeling it but had to conform to the both ways rule too much to really send it
Jan 27 2018 10:18PM
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BedBugDoug
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In slopestyle it makes sense to make them spin both ways. But big air is just one hit, so the score should just be their best trick. I agree with others in this thread saying that scoring just one hit would make them go bigger, since they don't have to worry about getting a score both ways. I stand with Dollo, go back to the old format
Jan 27 2018 10:40PM
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jakeordie
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Dude should have sent a quad backie, a cork 0 and a zero spin just to fuck with 'em :/
Jan 27 2018 11:30PM
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Z-Juice
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That's nothing. He once called out Facebook via a DM to Mark Zuckerburg. +K for whoever finds that thread.
Jan 27 2018 11:35PM
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Parches
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Z-JuiceThat's nothing. He once called out Facebook via a DM to Mark Zuckerburg. +K for whoever finds that thread.


https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/606567/Henrik-calls-out-mark-zuckerberg
Jan 28 2018 12:29PM
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J_Christoph
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Watching women’s big air and the announcers just disagreed with Henrik’s comments. They’re under the impression that the new format is what’s needed for progression, but that doesn’t make any sense. A first trick is a first trick whether it’s landed to the left or right. The new format hinders the progression of Big Air.
Jan 28 2018 2:30PM
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obi_juan
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I think it's great that he's speaking out, it's good feedback. We'll see if x-games listens to what their athletes have to say
Jan 28 2018 2:36PM
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DrZoidberg
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J_ChristophWatching women’s big air and the announcers just disagreed with Henrik’s comments. They’re under the impression that the new format is what’s needed for progression, but that doesn’t make any sense. A first trick is a first trick whether it’s landed to the left or right. The new format hinders the progression of Big Air.


What this ends up as is everybody doing a good but safe trick on their natural spin, then trying for the next 20 minutes to improve their unnatural spin. If they just let the girls do regular best trick style big air you probably would have seen some better tricks because they'd have to. But everybody got stuck trying to do something better than a unnatural sw 9 or whatever.

Johanne Killi should have won.
Jan 28 2018 2:37PM
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J_Christoph
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DrZoidbergJohanne Killi should have won.


If you land the cleanest/best trick you should win, period. Slopestyle is for showing the judges how you can spin both ways.
Jan 28 2018 2:42PM
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DrZoidberg
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J_ChristophIf you land the cleanest/best trick you should win, period. Slopestyle is for showing the judges how you can spin both ways.


Exactly. This format is like a fight for backup scores.
Jan 28 2018 2:47PM
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codizzle
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we need JF Cusson to give the finger and just do a screamin' semen, a la 2001.
Jan 28 2018 3:54PM
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theabortionator
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MinggI definitely see what he’s saying. I view big air more as a “best trick” type of comp rather than a collection of tricks like you’d see in a slopestyle comp.


Weren't you scored on 2 different tricks previously though? At least a few of the years? I don't think you could win with one trick. It could be spun the same way, but had to be 2 different tricks.
I could be making this up though.
Jan 28 2018 5:20PM
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KneesSalsas
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He's right. Too much formality kill the creativity...
Jan 28 2018 5:26PM
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tdollo
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theabortionatorWeren't you scored on 2 different tricks previously though? At least a few of the years? I don't think you could win with one trick. It could be spun the same way, but had to be 2 different tricks.
I could be making this up though.


Yea you’re right. It’s been a rule for some time now
Jan 28 2018 5:41PM
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theabortionator
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tdolloYea you’re right. It’s been a rule for some time now


Word, that's what I was thinking.

I get that left and right is different, but a lot of people were kind of doing that anyway. Or one forward, one switch. Or 2 different types of rotations.

I do generally like best trick wins in big air contests. It's about throwing that one ridiculous trick. That said I think the 2 trick thing works well with x games. Everybody has some different tricks. At the level riding is at, there isn't anybody that just has one trick. Even if they don't have another triple they have at least a couple different dubs etc.

On the other hand with the limited time I get wanting to just be able to focus on putting one trick down. That said, if your trick is stupidly sick and scores massive, you can skate by with an easier trick on the other.

Idk. Im not competing, I'm just some guy on the intranets.
Jan 28 2018 6:21PM
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auski
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Why is he still barking? He’s too old for that shit and it’s weird. Does he live in a bubble where that’s normal?
Jan 28 2018 6:24PM
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theabortionator
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auskiWhy is he still barking? He’s too old for that shit and it’s weird. Does he live in a bubble where that’s normal?


Isn't he only like 25 or 26? Is that super old? I get that most of the people competing are like 5 these days but still.
Jan 28 2018 6:31PM
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SEABURN
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auskiWhy is he still barking? He’s too old for that shit and it’s weird. Does he live in a bubble where that’s normal?


Henrik doesn't need to change. What he's doing is clearly working. If you loved wu-tang that much, you'd bark too.
Jan 28 2018 7:26PM
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Titus69
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It was kinda stupid, the viewers don't care about unnat or nat, as long as it looks cool. Just wastes time for athletes trying crazy stuff cause they have to worry about doing at least one good trick unnat and landing some big crowd pleaser.

Also wish they had heats then finals like years before, damn contest was like 20 minutes.
Jan 28 2018 8:12PM
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scratchskier321
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I'm torn between mandatory and rightside and not.............. at least the unnaty rule keeps skiing in check for a few more years before this shit just stops. I liked the old format with 2 heats that lead into finals. I was disappointed with the field this year........ ABM, Gus, Jesper could've been in there ..... Jossi, Bobby, Vinny all out with injures kinda sucks....
Jan 29 2018 12:08AM
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skiordie666
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Henrik is 100% right. Big air should be about putting the wildest tricks and no restricting rules. Just best trick.
Jan 29 2018 1:44AM
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Domski1856
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I agree as well, with any sport, after a certain degree of restrictions, hinders the sport from evolving.
Jan 29 2018 2:45AM
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johnblaze
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I'm with whatever he says.
Jan 29 2018 4:16PM
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skierman
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Henrik smoked himself retarded.
Jan 29 2018 5:36PM
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Mr.Bishop
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codizzlewe need JF Cusson to give the finger and just do a screamin' semen, a la 2001.


Cusson is a super serious coach now though... Its a fucking trip and a half to see.
Jan 29 2018 5:49PM
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thebusiness19
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The amount of safety grabs was disheartening period...
I want to see some in-air pretzels, tripod landings, buttered take offs, taps on the landings, different axes (I feel there was a dearth of dub misty/bio shit), pre-grabs, hell even someday I hope to see a post-grab but I'm worried that might ruin someones hand forever.
Jan 29 2018 6:24PM
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Puzzled
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auskiWhy is he still barking? He’s too old for that shit and it’s weird. Does he live in a bubble where that’s normal?


Without referring to geolocation, can you even define whats "normal" ?
Jan 29 2018 6:30PM
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Titus69
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skiermanHenrik smoked himself retarded.

I wanna say he was stoned as fuck but also not cause the Olympics, not wrong when they say it's cause a performance enhancer though.
Jan 29 2018 7:38PM
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codizzle
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Mr.BishopCusson is a super serious coach now though... Its a fucking trip and a half to see.


i don't doubt it, but it's really hard for me to picture.
Jan 30 2018 12:02PM
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SEABURN
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thebusiness19The amount of safety grabs was disheartening period...
I want to see some in-air pretzels, tripod landings, buttered take offs, taps on the landings, different axes (I feel there was a dearth of dub misty/bio shit), pre-grabs, hell even someday I hope to see a post-grab but I'm worried that might ruin someones hand forever.


That's the issue with the new format, all of that radness doesn't translate well to points.
Jan 30 2018 12:21PM
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saskyskier71
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I really don't get it. Xgames doesn't do this for any other sport. Atleast that I know of. They have plenty of best trick comps ( think bmx, skateboarding, Moto, snowmobile, even snowbikes this year ) and there aren't shitty rules like this unnatural and natural spinning shit. Henrik was totally right, it should just be the wildest biggest trick that the athletes can throw down. But I doubt xgames will listen to him or anyone else who voices an opinion.
Jan 30 2018 12:40PM
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Mr.Bishop
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codizzlei don't doubt it, but it's really hard for me to picture.


It basically melted my brain the first time I saw it.
Jan 30 2018 12:43PM
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SofaKingSick
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saskyskier71I really don't get it. Xgames doesn't do this for any other sport. Atleast that I know of. They have plenty of best trick comps ( think bmx, skateboarding, Moto, snowmobile, even snowbikes this year ) and there aren't shitty rules like this unnatural and natural spinning shit. Henrik was totally right, it should just be the wildest biggest trick that the athletes can throw down. But I doubt xgames will listen to him or anyone else who voices an opinion.


man the x games have their faults but shit they can't win! years ago we all bitched that the judging sucked, the course sucked, the formats sucked, the commentators sucked

now we have wallisch murdering it on the commentary, which is ideal. we have evolving and pretty damn cool courses (though i would have liked to see the judges reward people more for hitting the quarterpipe take off), the judges are super harsh on huckers and demand good style, and they even tried a format that demands spinning both ways, which people have yakked about for years. i didnt like the format either but i say props for trying it out
Jan 30 2018 12:44PM
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Bmxyy
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Yeah what happens if you don't throw a spin??? Or do a quad backie or a triple frontflip does where do they go? And not even slopestyle has a certain way you have to spin it's just you get more points for doing it both ways. If you want to throw three lefts or three rights just do it. I feel like that's why henrik harlaut went for 2 zero spins at the end.
Jan 30 2018 1:04PM
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theabortionator
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saskyskier71I really don't get it. Xgames doesn't do this for any other sport. Atleast that I know of. They have plenty of best trick comps ( think bmx, skateboarding, Moto, snowmobile, even snowbikes this year ) and there aren't shitty rules like this unnatural and natural spinning shit. Henrik was totally right, it should just be the wildest biggest trick that the athletes can throw down. But I doubt xgames will listen to him or anyone else who voices an opinion.



Because other sports like skateboarding theyre throwing completely different tricks. Idk. A right double 12 and right double 14 would be kind of lame as 2 tricks.

If theyre counting 2 tricks count two tricks.

On the other hand if you have a stupidly sick trick one side but can't 360 the other that shouldn't keep you out of the comp. But is there anyone that cant at least do some shitty dub the other way thats competing in xgames?
Jan 30 2018 1:12PM
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saskyskier71
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theabortionatorBecause other sports like skateboarding theyre throwing completely different tricks. Idk. A right double 12 and right double 14 would be kind of lame as 2 tricks.

If theyre counting 2 tricks count two tricks.

On the other hand if you have a stupidly sick trick one side but can't 360 the other that shouldn't keep you out of the comp. But is there anyone that cant at least do some shitty dub the other way thats competing in xgames?


yeah I get that other sports have different tricks so it would be different. But I still think that they should just showcase their best effort of one amazing trick like in Moto best trick or bmx, not a combined effort of a good trick both directions. Just let them be wild and creative. From a non skiers point of view, no one wants to see the same trick three or four times.
Jan 30 2018 2:25PM
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codizzle
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Mr.BishopIt basically melted my brain the first time I saw it.


that's cool. we were riding Mammoth park back in my PBP days (maybe 2003), and he told me that my 360 mute looked like Mike Douglas' 360 mute. I was stoked that he took notice. he's a good dude.
Jan 30 2018 2:43PM
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Mr.Bishop
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codizzlethat's cool. we were riding Mammoth park back in my PBP days (maybe 2003), and he told me that my 360 mute looked like Mike Douglas' 360 mute. I was stoked that he took notice. he's a good dude.


JF is a legend. From a different time. :)
Jan 30 2018 3:16PM
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freestyler540
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I think this will actually work too. For a second, I though he was going to far, but he did it with tack and the love for the contest scene. Im sure all the athletes were not too stoked on the format.

Personally I found it fun and it forced riders to have different tricks for the side of rotation. Its was an interesting concept. I do get the point that you cant fully express your riding when a bunch of rules are preventing you of doing so.Maybe a new concept will be tried next year. As long as they never go back to social media voting.
Jan 30 2018 7:03PM
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Pipe_Munky
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BedBugDougIn slopestyle it makes sense to make them spin both ways. But big air is just one hit, so the score should just be their best trick. I agree with others in this thread saying that scoring just one hit would make them go bigger, since they don't have to worry about getting a score both ways. I stand with Dollo, go back to the old format


Then you end up looking at the same trick over and over again. Do you have any idea how hard it is to judge the same identical trick?
Jan 31 2018 12:34PM
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BedBugDoug
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Pipe_MunkyThen you end up looking at the same trick over and over again. Do you have any idea how hard it is to judge the same identical trick?

It's not the same trick over and over, I remember the last big air event I watched I watched was tight as shit. It was pretty recently and some dude did a pre nose dub. Another guy sent it to flat on a huuuge triple. And Henrik, pretty sure it was him, was doing very unique flat spin type doubles and triples, just like he did in this event. Big air does cause the scope of tricks to narrow, but when I watch a big air I want to see huge future spins. And honestly, there is still enough variety to keep me happy
Jan 31 2018 12:50PM
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