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Does a stiff ski with early rise exist?

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The.Fish
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I used to ski the volkl ledge, and entry level park ski with tip and tail rocker that wasn’t very stiff or poppy. I recently started riding a super old but new pair of ninthward edollo skis that are as flexible as a 2x4. I love how stable I am now on landings and how poppy they are, but I am not a fan of the full camber profile. I catch my edges sometimes and I really notice it when doing blind spins out. I really suck at them, but I was able to do them on the volkls but not on the ninthwards. I am just asking this for future purposes, i plan on riding the ninthwards till they bust.

**This thread was edited on Jan 22nd 2018 at 10:00:20pm
Jan 22 2018 9:59PM
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K-Dot.
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Poachers?
Jan 23 2018 12:10PM
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KravtZ
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My Devastator's are pretty dam stiff...no camber but such a fun ski
Jan 23 2018 2:06PM
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SofaKingSick
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ARVti, but you probably mean a ski that still exists. im sure there are others tho
Jan 23 2018 3:42PM
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Greg_K
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Honestly, almost any "advanced level" freestyle ski would be stiffer than the Ledge ski were as they are very soft tip/tail and it's becoming harder to find any park skis without rocker now, so you will have lots of choices in the future. That being said, i wouldn't doubt a bit of edge tuning would make a world of difference on the Ninthwards to prevent catching and make them much nicer to ski.

Elan usually made those skis for Ninthward and every one I have tuned from them came from the factory with base edge angles below 1 degree which is great for a race ski but they engage/catch too quick for a freestyle ski. So if you have access to a base edge file, make sure the base edges are at 1 degree or more (and not below) and then use a gummy stone to slightly detune the tip and tail edge if you find them catching still. This way the ski has to be tipped on it's side further before the edge engages and the ski will spin easier on it's base when flat. The standard base edge on most skis is 1 degree but it is sometimes off, so good idea to check as what you are describing sounds like this might be the issue. Some Scott Skis are at 1.5 base edge angle from the factory on their freestyle skis to prevent catching.

For around $40 or so most shops would base grind, set base edge levels(1 degree or greater) and side edge levels(one or two degrees) and hot wax the skis or you can get pocket edge sharpeners for under $30 from Swix and can do the edges yourself at home.
Jan 23 2018 5:04PM
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Rum_Ham
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Moment pb&j
Jan 23 2018 5:55PM
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SammyDubz
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Outsiders lmaooooo
Jan 24 2018 11:08PM
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KravtZ
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SammyDubzOutsiders lmaooooo


Have a pair...there like 2x4's...that being said this isn't an everyday ski. I tend to use mine most in spring slush now. Def wouldn't recommend as a one ski everyday quiver
Jan 25 2018 10:28AM
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3rdEyeVision
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One of the best ever made, the 2011 Line Sir Fracis Bacon. I own them and the 2010 early tapered, cambered out stiff bacons too. If you don't drive these they'll drive you. These are both a quiver of one killers.
Jan 25 2018 1:21PM
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jjdsteeze
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KravtZHave a pair...there like 2x4's...that being said this isn't an everyday ski. I tend to use mine most in spring slush now. Def wouldn't recommend as a one ski everyday quiver


these have been my everyday quiver the past 5 years
Jan 25 2018 2:01PM
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.nasty
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Poachers.
Jan 25 2018 2:34PM
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SofaKingSick
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doesnt help you yet but im hyped on it:

just saw that next year armada will have an arv96ti (zero). so the ARVti was the ARV (96) except stiffer (cause of metal) and some early rise. now theyre bringing it back, apparently, as part of the zero collection, which i think means it will be made with premium materials and possibly even lighter than the regular model

IMO that's the ideal do-it-all ski right there...
Jan 25 2018 2:48PM
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.nasty
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SofaKingSickdoesnt help you yet but im hyped on it:

just saw that next year armada will have an arv96ti (zero). so the ARVti was the ARV (96) except stiffer (cause of metal) and some early rise. now theyre bringing it back, apparently, as part of the zero collection, which i think means it will be made with premium materials and possibly even lighter than the regular model

IMO that's the ideal do-it-all ski right there...
the shape of the older arvti is completely different than the arv 96. It had the same dimensions as the edollo/al dente does now.
Jan 25 2018 3:23PM
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SofaKingSick
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.nastythe shape of the older arvti is completely different than the arv 96. It had the same dimensions as the edollo/al dente does now.


hmm sounds like ive missed the boat on changes to the ARV.

so--

there was the ARV that existed for years. 96ish in the waist. then the ARVti was that same ski but stiffer and with early rise, right? and the dollo/dente was that same ski with early rise and different flex, right?

and then when the ARV was brought back as the ARV96 (plus 86 etc), THOSE skis had different dimensions? and now the arvti 96 zero has THOSE dimensions?

is that correct? thanks man
Jan 25 2018 3:28PM
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Jah-Beef
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Moment meridian
Jan 27 2018 9:16PM
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sharhodes
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Surprised I haven't seen a kartel 98/ 108 comment. Especially considering they can make you a stiffer ski by request for around 50 bucks.
Jan 28 2018 9:04AM
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BrawnTrends
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SofaKingSickhmm sounds like ive missed the boat on changes to the ARV.

so--

there was the ARV that existed for years. 96ish in the waist. then the ARVti was that same ski but stiffer and with early rise, right? and the dollo/dente was that same ski with early rise and different flex, right?

and then when the ARV was brought back as the ARV96 (plus 86 etc), THOSE skis had different dimensions? and now the arvti 96 zero has THOSE dimensions?

is that correct? thanks man


ARVti was just a stiffer edollo. Exact same dimensions, sizes, etc. Last year's Al Dente Zero was that same ski, but with carbon stringers instead of titanial. So it's probably between the first two in term of flex.

The current ARV96 is a different ski. And the next ARV96ti Zero dimensions look different on paper. So who knows?

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Jan 29 2018 11:47AM
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SofaKingSick
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BrawnTrendsARVti was just a stiffer edollo. Exact same dimensions, sizes, etc. Last year's Al Dente Zero was that same ski, but with carbon stringers instead of titanial. So it's probably between the first two in term of flex.

The current ARV96 is a different ski. And the next ARV96ti Zero dimensions look different on paper. So who knows?

**This post was edited on Jan 29th 2018 at 11:47:33am



hmm yeah now that i look at the specs of all of them (i didnt know NS had updated its article and added the arv96ti specs) they actually vary quite a lot. interesting...
Jan 29 2018 11:58AM
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Greg_K
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The AVR Ti was Armada's "all mountain" freestyle ski before the current ARV 86, 96, 106 and now 116 JJ came out and it had metal in it for dampening and stiffening. The Zero collection is sometimes lighter as in the current JJ Zero/next years ARV 116 that will be using similar tech for lighter weight but sometimes it's change in construction to make it stiffer, damper and more stable in the new Ti models. There is currently on sale at EVO a ARV 106 Ti that is a 2019 ARV 106 that adds 2 sheets of titanal for a harder charging ARV 106 but it is a bit heavier than the standard model.
If I had to guess, I bet the dimensions might be wrong in some of the 2019 gear listings and bet the ARV 96 Ti dimensions are the same as 2019 ARV96 model but with the addition of the titanal to beef it up like the they did in the ARV 106 Ti. Would make either ski a touch less playful but more damp and stable.
Jan 29 2018 12:42PM
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Crispy.
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ON3P Magnus...not super stiff, but stiffer for sure.
Jan 29 2018 8:22PM
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Cade2
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3rdEyeVisionOne of the best ever made, the 2011 Line Sir Fracis Bacon. I own them and the 2010 early tapered, cambered out stiff bacons too. If you don't drive these they'll drive you. These are both a quiver of one killers.


Deffiinently noodles dude
Jan 29 2018 8:57PM
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The.Fish
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Crispy.ON3P Magnus...not super stiff, but stiffer for sure.


yea my friend who gave me the ninthwards has magnus’. Idk what skis you consider to be soft if you think those are stuff
Jan 29 2018 11:57PM
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3rdEyeVision
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ThundercatDeffiinently noodles dude


Fail. The 2010's -11's are super stiff. To quote E.P. the designer, tester and builder of his own pro skis @ Line..."this is my stiffest flex ski"
You're brain is noodled.

After 2011 the bacons became rockered soft flexing noodle weenies...dude.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3uRm8Y0AFhg

the only diff. on the '11" SFB's is early rise at tip n tail. Then it all changed again after the 2011 model dude.
Jan 30 2018 8:23AM
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Cade2
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3rdEyeVisionFail. The 2010's -11's are super stiff. To quote E.P. the designer, tester and builder of his own pro skis @ Line..."this is my stiffest flex ski"
You're brain is noodled.

After 2011 the bacons became rockered soft flexing noodle weenies...dude.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3uRm8Y0AFhg

the only diff. on the '11" SFB's is early rise at tip n tail. Then it all changed again after the 2011 model dude.


Just because it's his "stiffest ski" doesn't mean it's a stiff ski
Jan 30 2018 9:01AM
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K-Dot.
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ThundercatJust because it's his "stiffest ski" doesn't mean it's a stiff ski


Not to mention the fact that he's also recommending OP goes and buys an 8 year old ski, pretty useless information
Jan 30 2018 12:53PM
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