Which all mountain twin tips shall I get?

4frnt Wise sounds up your alley. They're marketed as a half pipe ski but on all accounts I've read, they excel at everything. They have a pretty aggressive camber and turn tight, charge hard and can pretty much rip anything. Check em out.

Bataleon854frnt Wise sounds up your alley. They're marketed as a half pipe ski but on all accounts I've read, they excel at everything. They have a pretty aggressive camber and turn tight, charge hard and can pretty much rip anything. Check em out.

Cheers bro! had a look and all sounds great apart from one review said they sink like a ship in powder ):

ashdownjCheers bro! had a look and all sounds great apart from one review said they sink like a ship in powder ):

You are looking at 85-90 underfoot skis. Most of NS wouldn't even consider that an all mountain ski......and pretty much all the skis in that waist are going to have poor powder performance.

If you care about powder performance bump it up to 100ish underfoot. But to me it sounds like you value hardback and front side performance more.

The Tom Wallisch’s crush the entire mountain mounted center.

ive had 2 pairs and they do great on 4 inch and below powder days. Especially when it’s soft

great in the park too.

try those or an armada bdog/edollo
or arv 96

I was gonna say... The waist width you're looking at is gonna suck in powder on any ski. The Wises definitely sound perfect for everything else but hell I would have a quiver ski for pow days anyway. Or just snowboard too like me haha

4frnt devastator

It’s a little fatter but meets everything you just said. Excellent ski

**This post was edited on Dec 30th 2017 at 11:07:38am

The Black Crows Camox is a wider and stiffer which would give you better float on softer snow and be better at speed. If you want to stay with Black Crows, this is the model for you. The ON3P Kartel 98 would be another great option as would the Head Venturi 95 if you can still find them as they have been replaced by the Kore 93 which is not a twin tip anymore and not as fun to ski. Armada ARV96 would be Aramda's twin tip in that range which would be a bit softer and less damp than the Invictus Ti series but would still do all the things you want and be more playful than the Invictus Ti.

As others have said, the 85-90mm waist skis will not be good off piste so go closer to the 95-100mm range for better off piste performance.

Another thing to note is that some of the reviews online you might see of twin tips that complain of stability problems at high speed may have the ski center mounted the ski for easier pivoting in the park but that will sacrifice groomer and off piste performance especially at speed. Go between the "all mountain" mounting point and the "park" mounting point for decent hard charging performance out of the park. Black Crows "all mountain" mounting point is -6cm from center, Armada ARV96 -5cm from center and Head Venturi is -6cm from center. For a mix of park/all mountain split the difference and go around -2.5-3cm back of center. ON3P park/all mountain mark on the K98 is -4.25cm from center but lots of people mount them -2cm if they are hitting the park more than off piste.

Greg_KThe Black Crows Camox is a wider and stiffer which would give you better float on softer snow and be better at speed. If you want to stay with Black Crows, this is the model for you. The ON3P Kartel 98 would be another great option as would the Head Venturi 95 if you can still find them as they have been replaced by the Kore 93 which is not a twin tip anymore and not as fun to ski. Armada ARV96 would be Aramda's twin tip in that range which would be a bit softer and less damp than the Invictus Ti series but would still do all the things you want and be more playful than the Invictus Ti.

As others have said, the 85-90mm waist skis will not be good off piste so go closer to the 95-100mm range for better off piste performance.

Another thing to note is that some of the reviews online you might see of twin tips that complain of stability problems at high speed may have the ski center mounted the ski for easier pivoting in the park but that will sacrifice groomer and off piste performance especially at speed. Go between the "all mountain" mounting point and the "park" mounting point for decent hard charging performance out of the park. Black Crows "all mountain" mounting point is -6cm from center, Armada ARV96 -5cm from center and Head Venturi is -6cm from center. For a mix of park/all mountain split the difference and go around -2.5-3cm back of center. ON3P park/all mountain mark on the K98 is -4.25cm from center but lots of people mount them -2cm if they are hitting the park more than off piste.

Don't be a pussy and just centre mount them