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Official: Atomic & Salomon Shift 13 MNC Binding Thread

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onenerdykid
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Hey NS,

I've gotten a few requests to make a Shift binding thread, similar to the Hawx Ultra XTD thread, where you can dump all of your questions and I will do my best to answer them.

I'll skip a story intro as that's already been beaten to death across the interwebz, but I'll throw some basic stats down for reference.

DIN range: 6 - 13

Boot norms (for skiing):
Alpine ISO 5355
Touring ISO 9523 (Full Rubber, WTR, Grip Walk)
Not compatible with non-norm boots (Atomic Backland, Salomon X-Alp, Dynafit TLT 7, Scarpa F1, etc.)

Elastic Travel (toe):
Shift - 47mm
STH2 - 52mm
Warden - 30mm
Marker Kingpin - 3mm
Dynafit Radical ST 2.0 - 3mm

Power Transmission - toe MX (daN/mm):
Shift - 6
Warden 13 - 6
Marker Baron - 5
Marker Griffon - 5.5

Length Adjustment (heel tray) - 30mm

Stand Height:
Toe (alpine boot) - maximum 28mm
Toe (touring boot) - minimum 20mm
Can be adjusted anywhere within that range via adjustable AFD.
Heel - 29mm

Climbing Heights - 2° (no aide), 10° (with aide)

Brakes: 90mm, 100mm, 110mm, 120mm

Crampons: 100mm, 120mm

Weights (pair):
Shift - 1732g (with 90mm brakes & screws)
Warden 13 - 2260g
Marker Griffon - 1910g
Marker Baron - 2450g
Marker Kingpin - 1549g (from Blister)
Dynafit Radical FT 2.0 - 1305g (from Blister)

**This thread was edited on Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:07:17am

**This thread was edited on Jan 3rd 2018 at 8:08:23am
Dec 16 2017 12:05PM
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onenerdykid
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BushwhackerNZFrom what I understand Atomic is making a small amount available down here for pre-order through certain people. Sick getting it early for sure, but paying pretty much double on everyone else all the time is really starting to rip my undies

**This post was edited on Mar 6th 2018 at 7:21:36pm


I don't see how that is possible... who is your source for this?
Mar 7 2018 10:17AM
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TBONE902
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Hey crew I've mounted a few sets of these and got to ski them a bit. No touring yet because we have no snow but hoping to get them out more on a trip at the start of April - happy to answer questions.
Mar 7 2018 7:13PM
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ahshit
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TBONE902Hey crew I've mounted a few sets of these and got to ski them a bit. No touring yet because we have no snow but hoping to get them out more on a trip at the start of April - happy to answer questions.

How does it feel compared to the piv in height?
Mar 8 2018 11:56PM
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Literature
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Took them for a ski a week ago at a local rep demo.

Very impressed. Lots of power and ski feel. I don't feel like I have a handle on whether or not you could huck on them all season, especially with a lot of switch landings, but it's a very compelling option to finally murder the frame binding while retaining the safety of a inbounds binding. With this, there's zero reason to have Dukes etc.
Mar 9 2018 12:15AM
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tomPietrowski
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wpskiHow does it feel compared to the piv in height?


That was the bit that through me off the most. The pivot 18 at least has a -5mm drop from heel to toe. The ramp on the shift is flat. So intially it felt really high under the toe to me. But after 2 days riding it it really did not feel that odd to me. if you were switching every day it may feel a little odd but nothing you could not deal with
Mar 9 2018 11:47AM
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cydwhit
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Got my first two days on them this weekend. Lots of things to say, big fan so far. Stoked to write the review.
Mar 12 2018 10:21AM
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margotron
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The way I'm looking at it: at $440, if they arent all that and a bag of chips, we can recoup our costs and maybe even turn a profit. They'll be sold out everywhere by Thanksgiving
Mar 12 2018 11:46PM
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cydwhit
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At this price it's hard to go wrong. Again, only two days on them, but would buy after those two days.
Mar 13 2018 10:40AM
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onenerdykid
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http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/salomon-atomic-shift-mnc-binding


TL/DR - booyah.
Mar 13 2018 12:15PM
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BrawnTrends
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All these reviews just make me want to order them more and more.
Mar 14 2018 7:08PM
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viewfromnowhere
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I'm thinking about putting these on some fat skis (128mm Praxis Protest), like for a Japan trip with lift-served but also backcountry days. The brakes only go up to 120mm. Will there be wider brakes? Is there a brakeless option? Or would I have to bend the brakes? Thanks!
Apr 24 2018 1:41PM
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onenerdykid
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viewfromnowhereI'm thinking about putting these on some fat skis (128mm Praxis Protest), like for a Japan trip with lift-served but also backcountry days. The brakes only go up to 120mm. Will there be wider brakes? Is there a brakeless option? Or would I have to bend the brakes? Thanks!


The brakes run wider than listed, I doubt you will have to bend them much if at all.
Apr 24 2018 1:54PM
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BrawnTrends
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Ordering them on Thursday if all goes well! I'm excited. (even if I won't be able to even see them until next season)
Apr 24 2018 5:13PM
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pacman922
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BrawnTrendsOrdering them on Thursday if all goes well! I'm excited. (even if I won't be able to even see them until next season)

Where are you ordering them?
Apr 25 2018 8:42AM
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BrawnTrends
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pacman922Where are you ordering them?


Through my shop, with the rest of the AMER orders.
Apr 25 2018 9:11AM
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BrawnTrends
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The dilemma is which one to get... The black and white Atomic, or the "carbon" and anodized blue Salomon...
Apr 25 2018 3:34PM
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onenerdykid
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BrawnTrendsThe dilemma is which one to get... The black and white Atomic, or the "carbon" and anodized blue Salomon...

Both have the carbon optic. The only difference is the white vs. blue accents.
Apr 25 2018 3:46PM
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BrawnTrends
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onenerdykidBoth have the carbon optic.


Ah good to know!
Apr 25 2018 4:12PM
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pacman922
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Anyone know of any where to preorder the atomic shift in the US?
Apr 25 2018 9:23PM
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onenerdykid
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pacman922Anyone know of any where to preorder the atomic shift in the US?


Your local Atomic and Salomon dealer will (should be able to) take a preorder for you. Just call them up or visit them in person.
Apr 26 2018 8:21AM
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BrawnTrends
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Ordered!! I chose the Atomic with 110mm brakes (which sounded the most versatile width wise). They do run a little wider, right?
Apr 26 2018 1:34PM
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Non_State_Actor
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If I was to ski the shift as an inbounds binding would I be losing anything except a couple hundred dollars? I recently purchased the 2017 4FRNT Kye 110, same ski as this years Uptrack Col so while not an ultralight ski one that's capable of short tours. I'm an aspirational touring skier, I've never done it, would like to get into it but don't really know if I can make it happen anytime soon, so I don't know if I'd ever use the binding to full potential.

Should I consider the Shift or just slap Attack 13s on and ski resorts exclusively?

I might make a thread to get more opinions but wanted to check in here first.

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Apr 27 2018 5:12PM
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onenerdykid
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mystery3If I was to ski the shift as an inbounds binding would I be losing anything except a couple hundred dollars?


Check this out:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/salomon-atomic-shift-mnc-binding

"Coming into the day, I was very skeptical of the Shift. But after skiing a full day on it, I came away very impressed by its downhill performance. The binding feels solid, responsive, powerful and plush — very similar to an alpine binding.
The biggest compliment that I can give the Shift is that, after a few laps on Wildcat, I simply stopped thinking about the binding. It turned into just another day skiing. The power transfer seems excellent, and the construction felt solid. I started to trust it after a few laps, which is not something I’ve ever done when skiing a tech binding inbounds."
Apr 27 2018 5:47PM
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Non_State_Actor
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onenerdykidCheck this out:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/salomon-atomic-shift-mnc-binding

"Coming into the day, I was very skeptical of the Shift. But after skiing a full day on it, I came away very impressed by its downhill performance. The binding feels solid, responsive, powerful and plush — very similar to an alpine binding.
The biggest compliment that I can give the Shift is that, after a few laps on Wildcat, I simply stopped thinking about the binding. It turned into just another day skiing. The power transfer seems excellent, and the construction felt solid. I started to trust it after a few laps, which is not something I’ve ever done when skiing a tech binding inbounds."


I had previously read the review, and listened to the podcast and just went back and read it again, this quote from Sam Shaheen stood out:
"The biggest and most important question to answer is the first one, how similar does the Shift feel in terms of downhill performance compared to an alpine binding? I’ve now had the Shift in a variety of conditions, with strong alpine boots, hammering inbounds laps, and I can’t say with any certainty that it performs worse than an alpine binding. In fact, I really can’t seem to tell a difference. The Shift’s power transfer is excellent, it has a damp ride, and I haven’t pre-released (and I have released when I needed to). I typically ski a Marker Jester or Griffon, or Tyrolia AAAttack, and I can’t discern a difference in performance between those alpine bindings and the Shift."

I guess that's all I need to know right there. From what I know Sam Shaheen is a much better skier than I'll ever hope to be. I'm also not a very big guy so don't put that much stress on a binding even when I'm skiing as hard as I can.

I'd love it if the stack height were a few mm lower but I think I'm in. Now to find a shop where I can place an order.

Anyone have recommendations on shops online, in the Bay Area, or potentially Truckee or Tahoe City that'll do a pre-order?
Apr 28 2018 12:47AM
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tomPietrowski
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mystery3I had previously read the review, and listened to the podcast and just went back and read it again, this quote from Sam Shaheen stood out:
"The biggest and most important question to answer is the first one, how similar does the Shift feel in terms of downhill performance compared to an alpine binding? I’ve now had the Shift in a variety of conditions, with strong alpine boots, hammering inbounds laps, and I can’t say with any certainty that it performs worse than an alpine binding. In fact, I really can’t seem to tell a difference. The Shift’s power transfer is excellent, it has a damp ride, and I haven’t pre-released (and I have released when I needed to). I typically ski a Marker Jester or Griffon, or Tyrolia AAAttack, and I can’t discern a difference in performance between those alpine bindings and the Shift."

I guess that's all I need to know right there. From what I know Sam Shaheen is a much better skier than I'll ever hope to be. I'm also not a very big guy so don't put that much stress on a binding even when I'm skiing as hard as I can.

I'd love it if the stack height were a few mm lower but I think I'm in. Now to find a shop where I can place an order.

Anyone have recommendations on shops online, in the Bay Area, or potentially Truckee or Tahoe City that'll do a pre-order?


In my opinion it skis as well as an alpine binding. I have skied 16 or 18 din alpine bindings for the last 8 years and I was at best hoping this binding would be half decent in terms of alpine performance. I was blown away though. I usually run a din of 11-12 but decided to really push the shift and run it at 10 to see how much I would prerealese (I have done this with other alpine bindings and had some big falls due to pre realeases) But the shift shrugged everything off fine. There was literally only one point I felt the toe begin to give in a hard turn but it pulled it back in no issues. These bindings are legit. I really will be running them on all but park skis next season. They ski as well as most alpine bindings (no not quite pivot 18 hold, but I mean come on it's an 18 din full metal toe!) and were more then enough for what I needed. Honestly so long as they are durable, which we will not know for a while these things are super legit.
Apr 28 2018 6:15PM
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LeeLau
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Review - https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/SHIFT-Impressions-Salomon-Atomic-touring-Binding-part-2
Jun 6 2018 1:21PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Will the 100mm brake clear a 110 waist? They look wiiiiide and it's mention clearing a 107. A little tiny stretch?
Jun 6 2018 1:38PM
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LeeLau
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I think it'll work. Worse come the worse bend them
mystery3Will the 100mm brake clear a 110 waist? They look wiiiiide and it's mention clearing a 107. A little tiny stretch?
Jun 8 2018 1:08AM
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Non_State_Actor
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LeeLauI think it'll work. Worse come the worse bend them


Thanks! I'm going to get them on pre-order at EVO I think.
Jun 8 2018 1:47AM
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evo.com
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We have the shift available for preorder!




https://www.evo.com/alpine-touring-ski-bindings/salomon-slab-shift-mnc


mystery3Thanks! I'm going to get them on pre-order at EVO I think.


Nice!
Jun 8 2018 11:30AM
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BrawnTrends
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Is there a mounting pattern available somewhere already? To see if there's any conflict with other bindings.
Aug 6 2018 5:43AM
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ahshit
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yo how fast are these expected to sell out?
Aug 6 2018 12:14PM
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powpatrol
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yuhyuhyo how fast are these expected to sell out?


Think of the supreme sellout times...
Now triple it
Aug 6 2018 2:05PM
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profa_212
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yuhyuhyo how fast are these expected to sell out?


I would preorder if I were you
Aug 6 2018 2:31PM
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Non_State_Actor
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mystery3Will the 100mm brake clear a 110 waist? They look wiiiiide and it's mention clearing a 107. A little tiny stretch?


LeeLauI think it'll work. Worse come the worse bend them


So I did a test fit the other night and they'll need 2-3mm of tweaking. They fit but so close I'd be worried about getting hung up going up or down. I think the 110s would be way too wide, the brakes are kind exposed on these binding. They look great though, stoked to get them on.

I also threw them on my trusty kitchen scale for fun and they weigh 898g each, pretty light but they don't look fragile at all.
Oct 6 2018 12:06AM
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onenerdykid
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mystery3So I did a test fit the other night and they'll need 2-3mm of tweaking. They fit but so close I'd be worried about getting hung up going up or down. I think the 110s would be way too wide, the brakes are kind exposed on these binding. They look great though, stoked to get them on.

I also threw them on my trusty kitchen scale for fun and they weigh 898g each, pretty light but they don't look fragile at all.


Close enough that if you ground away some plastic from inside of the stopper that it could work without bending the arms?
Oct 6 2018 3:39AM
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Non_State_Actor
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onenerdykidClose enough that if you ground away some plastic from inside of the stopper that it could work without bending the arms?


Yes probably. I hadn't thought about that. Taking a mm of each side and smoothing out a bit, creating a more rounded tip on the inside edge would probably lower the risk if the brake catching significantly.
Oct 6 2018 11:40AM
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onenerdykid
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mystery3Yes probably. I hadn't thought about that. Taking a mm of each side and smoothing out a bit, creating a more rounded tip on the inside edge would probably lower the risk if the brake catching significantly.


Just take a dremel to it and it should be all good
Oct 6 2018 11:58AM
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Monsieur_Patate
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Looks like it's already sold out pretty much everywhere in the US, with ship dates ranging from December to January depending on where you look, which I assume are just estimates. Any idea of a possible production schedule? Wondering if I should just wait a bit or mount something else...
Oct 9 2018 8:30PM
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Non_State_Actor
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Monsieur_PatateLooks like it's already sold out pretty much everywhere in the US, with ship dates ranging from December to January depending on where you look, which I assume are just estimates. Any idea of a possible production schedule? Wondering if I should just wait a bit or mount something else...


Try skiessentials.com they have them in stock. I had originally pre-ordered with Evo but the pushed the ship date from 9/15 to 10/31 so I cancelled the order and ordered from skiessentials.com a couple weeks back, they look great so I just ordered another pair from them for my wife’s new skis.
Oct 9 2018 8:48PM
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Kevski
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I got a pair from D-structure in Quebec, they look awesome! I'll be mounting them on a pair of K108s for my resort/tour setup. Sounds like the 110 brakes might have been overkill but hopefully it won't be too much of an issue?

Also some shops (like the ones in Vancouver) aren't presaling, so there'll just be a mad scramble when they get their shipment. I imagine some shops in the US are similar.
Oct 9 2018 9:31PM
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f100prerunner
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Just bought a pair at my local shop tonight and they’re supposed to get a shipment in on the 22nd. Went with the 120 brake on a 118 waist as he advised.

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Oct 9 2018 11:51PM
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BrawnTrends
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KevskiI got a pair from D-structure in Quebec, they look awesome! I'll be mounting them on a pair of K108s for my resort/tour setup. Sounds like the 110 brakes might have been overkill but hopefully it won't be too much of an issue?


Also ordered them with 110 brakes for 108mm skis, and after everything I read I'm starting to think 100mm would have been enough...

Matt: will the brakes be easily available to buy as parts?
Oct 10 2018 2:05AM
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onenerdykid
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BrawnTrendsMatt: will the brakes be easily available to buy as parts?


Yes, but spare parts tend to be a later shipment than normal product. And as mentioned before, shops will only have what they ordered for the first round. If you can find a shop that stocks them now, get on it because come February they might be hard to find.

After the first year, things will be in stock like normal. But the first year is difficult because there is a very finite & limited window to produce everything and then get it shipped to arrive at retailers on time.
Oct 10 2018 2:26AM
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f100prerunner
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onenerdykidYes, but spare parts tend to be a later shipment than normal product. And as mentioned before, shops will only have what they ordered for the first round. If you can find a shop that stocks them now, get on it because come February they might be hard to find.

After the first year, things will be in stock like normal. But the first year is difficult because there is a very finite & limited window to produce everything and then get it shipped to arrive at retailers on time.


How much are brakes retailing at?
Oct 10 2018 2:37AM
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onenerdykid
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f100prerunnerHow much are brakes retailing at?


Should be in the vicinity of $30 USD.

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Oct 10 2018 2:54AM
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BrawnTrends
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onenerdykidYes, but spare parts tend to be a later shipment than normal product. And as mentioned before, shops will only have what they ordered for the first round. If you can find a shop that stocks them now, get on it because come February they might be hard to find.

After the first year, things will be in stock like normal. But the first year is difficult because there is a very finite & limited window to produce everything and then get it shipped to arrive at retailers on time.



Alright. I'll do with the 110s for now, I'm sure they will be perfectly fine. Thanks for the response!
Oct 10 2018 3:06AM
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RustsCached
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Hi Everyone.
I have a good question for you guys, and hope anybody has some info.
I wanted to order a pair in europe from Sport-conrad. Before order i asked a question it the binding is compatible with la sportiva spectre or syncro boots... but didn't expect the answare i got because in all salomon videos they say it will accept any normed ISO boots.

The guys at Sport - Conrad tell me that the binding is not compatible with these boots because of the rockered sole... it is strange because the boots are not listed in solomon incompatibility boots list.
Does any of you have any info about this problem?

Thanks in advance, Bogdan Vlad
Oct 21 2018 3:53AM
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