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Salomon lab SHIFT binding vs Marker Duke EPF

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aidanaughton
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So everyone is posting about the new salomon shift binding and how they have spent the last seven years developing it. The marker duke has been around for a while and seems to do pretty much the same thing. Is the only difference the fact that you have to lift the binding with your heel with the dukes and you can leave the binding behind on the shifts?
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Dec 10 2017 5:13PM
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Rum_Ham
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Weight, stack height, ski flex, efficiency of pins the list goes on. The shift is definitely going to be superior to the duke.
Dec 10 2017 5:41PM
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onenerdykid
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A frame binding:
-messes up the flex of the ski
-has tons of stand height
-tours was less efficiently (pivot point is much further ahead- the closer it is to the ball of the foot the better)
-lots of lifted weight while touring
-way heavier in general

The only reason to ever consider a frame binding (aside from $$$) is that you can tour with a boot that does not have tech inserts. Other than that, they are fully antiquated. If you truly need a +13 DIN value, then just get a normal 2 piece binding and Daymakers.
Dec 10 2017 5:47PM
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AGOF
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onenerdykidIf you truly need a +13 DIN value, then just get a normal 2 piece binding and Daymakers.


Or the CAST touring system
Dec 10 2017 5:58PM
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onenerdykid
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AGOFOr the CAST touring system


If you have a boot that has tech inserts/get them installed
Dec 10 2017 6:03PM
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Belch
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Dec 10 2017 11:00PM
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profa_212
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The duke and shift aren't even relatively close to the same realm. Completely and utterly different. The duke has been obsolete for years. Hopefully the shift is as good as it seems and sounds to be.
Dec 10 2017 11:04PM
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sanctuaryfree
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Really looking forward to seeing how the Shift fares in the real world
Dec 11 2017 1:58AM
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KravtZ
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onenerdykidA frame binding:
-messes up the flex of the ski
-has tons of stand height
-tours was less efficiently (pivot point is much further ahead- the closer it is to the ball of the foot the better)
-lots of lifted weight while touring
-way heavier in general

The only reason to ever consider a frame binding (aside from $$$) is that you can tour with a boot that does not have tech inserts. Other than that, they are fully antiquated. If you truly need a +13 DIN value, then just get a normal 2 piece binding and Daymakers.


I've been pretty happy with my salomon guradian setup on my QST 118's. Don't think the stand height really has a big impact on my skiing. Yes they are noticeably heavier but being I only do light tours and sidecountry stuff so they work pretty wellf or me
Dec 11 2017 10:41AM
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profa_212
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KravtZI've been pretty happy with my salomon guradian setup on my QST 118's. Don't think the stand height really has a big impact on my skiing. Yes they are noticeably heavier but being I only do light tours and sidecountry stuff so they work pretty wellf or me


This is one of the reasons frames will stick around for a while longer.

Price
People without touring boots
People who are doing very short sidecountry and don't want to buy a whole new set up.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade we looked back on frame bindings like we do daywreckers now.
Dec 11 2017 12:15PM
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onenerdykid
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KravtZI've been pretty happy with my salomon guradian setup on my QST 118's. Don't think the stand height really has a big impact on my skiing. Yes they are noticeably heavier but being I only do light tours and sidecountry stuff so they work pretty wellf or me


Trackers/Guardians have one of the lowest stand heights in the frame binding world (10mm lower than Dukes), so those will feel fine in terms of that.
Dec 11 2017 12:53PM
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KravtZ
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onenerdykidTrackers/Guardians have one of the lowest stand heights in the frame binding world (10mm lower than Dukes), so those will feel fine in terms of that.


never knew that wow thats a huge difference
Dec 11 2017 2:22PM
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Casey
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Profahoben_212This is one of the reasons frames will stick around for a while longer.

Price
People without touring boots
People who are doing very short sidecountry and don't want to buy a whole new set up.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade we looked back on frame bindings like we do daywreckers now.


Yeah it's that and that pin tech isn't really something you want for normal inbounds skiing. Maybe in 5 years we will all be on pins, but it's not there yet.
Dec 11 2017 6:02PM
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profa_212
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CaseyYeah it's that and that pin tech isn't really something you want for normal inbounds skiing. Maybe in 5 years we will all be on pins, but it's not there yet.


Well that is exactly what the shift is going after.
Dec 11 2017 6:03PM
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mtbakerpow
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They weigh half as much as the duke,however the price is a bit of a slap in the face
Dec 11 2017 9:32PM
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hippystinx
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CaseyYeah it's that and that pin tech isn't really something you want for normal inbounds skiing. Maybe in 5 years we will all be on pins, but it's not there yet.

I have put probably 40 days on a set of dynafit radical 2.0's in bounds/side country and they are just as bomb proof as the guardian binding I had before and 2 pounds lighter. i am getting the mtn lab bindings this winter for a real touring set up and I will be interested to see how those perform.
Dec 15 2017 1:08PM
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profa_212
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hippystinxI have put probably 40 days on a set of dynafit radical 2.0's in bounds/side country and they are just as bomb proof as the guardian binding I had before and 2 pounds lighter. i am getting the mtn lab bindings this winter for a real touring set up and I will be interested to see how those perform.


They are not that durable
Dec 15 2017 10:10PM
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clorox
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After doing a 3 day tour with dukes mounted on bubbas (my only tech boots were held in customs and had to borrow from a friend) I can say that that even though if you tour to ski, get something you will want to ski on, the dukes were not worth it. I have all the faith in my kingpins, and would suggest that this thread should be "Kingpin vs SHIFT"
Dec 16 2017 9:24AM
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Casey
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GREEN_BASTARDAfter doing a 3 day tour with dukes mounted on bubbas (my only tech boots were held in customs and had to borrow from a friend) I can say that that even though if you tour to ski, get something you will want to ski on, the dukes were not worth it. I have all the faith in my kingpins, and would suggest that this thread should be "Kingpin vs SHIFT"


Are Kingpins even being sold anymore? Are they going to be the G3 Kingpin now? Lol.
Dec 16 2017 11:13AM
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AGOF
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CaseyAre Kingpins even being sold anymore? Are they going to be the G3 Kingpin now? Lol.


Yeah lawsuit has been resolved
Dec 16 2017 12:26PM
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