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Andbrerif they can get a drone to follow someone shredding through a sweet forest that would be cool. But using it to get a directly above camera angle is so dumb, its literally the most boring and least interesting angle you can get of someone skiing
Yeah so true. The drone is usually so far and high up too like what is this, an edit for ants?!
.lenconEverything in Numinous was in the 10%. Best drone footage ive ever seen by far.
highpeakWhere I'm from people actually say joey rather than jerry. just a colloquial thing
in the SW a Jerry is a skier and a Joey is a Mountain biker. Typical joey wears a rented fox full face w/ pit vipers instead of goggles, knee pads over his jeans (or rocking a serious enduro gap), narrow bars, and his stem length is 85mm+.
WildEuro99My unpopular opinion:
-Rails Suck.
-The 1% of snowboarders that know how to rip are legit af.
-I think ON3P is over hyped.
-528153xl clothes only fit 1 or 2 skiers, like Dollo, the rest look like retards.
-Chairlift bar always down.
-Drinking a beer is fine, drinking the whole mountain is not a decision that makes you look cool.
-Those tricks when you need ultra slow-mo and 17 repetitions to see what the skier does are shit.
-Playing music while you ski is kinda funny.
Im sorry, but your use of a Ruroc helmet nullifies all OPs opinions
Doug Bishop got married and had kids and in turn is trying to monetize the hell out of this site and turn it into a big business. This is why the NS of old is gone forever, and we will continue to get TMZ blog posts, shitty advertising, stupid social media posts, paid sponsorship, etc.
Park_RangerDoug Bishop got married and had kids and in turn is trying to monetize the hell out of this site and turn it into a big business. This is why the NS of old is gone forever, and we will continue to get TMZ blog posts, shitty advertising, stupid social media posts, paid sponsorship, etc.
GRaboneSnowLots of front swaps on rails looks like a retarded dance. Especially on anything with tons of rocker.
Disagreed. I kinda love the way switch ups and surface swaps look on those fat rockered skis all the guys seem to be riding in the park nowadays. Not sure why, but it's aesthetically pleasing to me for some reason
I'm the one decked head to toe in Saga, but I wear it because it was cheap and keeps me warm. Those who wear neon, XXL because it's hype are the ones who should be sprayed.
Park_RangerDoug Bishop got married and had kids and in turn is trying to monetize the hell out of this site and turn it into a big business. This is why the NS of old is gone forever, and we will continue to get TMZ blog posts, shitty advertising, stupid social media posts, paid sponsorship, etc.
Dude at least get the story right - NS "sold out" when we sold the site to a major American corporation for a fat stack of cash.
It is like the literal definition of selling out, and it was fucking awesome.
The shitty stuff you talked about is only there to make you angry, the corporate overlords hate it.
Park_RangerDoug Bishop got married and had kids and in turn is trying to monetize the hell out of this site and turn it into a big business. This is why the NS of old is gone forever, and we will continue to get TMZ blog posts, shitty advertising, stupid social media posts, paid sponsorship, etc.
You frame it like the monetization was some out-of-left-field scheme by bishop. Really the site got sold and he is now the leader...so he works to get the job done as he sees fit
I haven't agreed with everything he's ever done but he seems like a really dedicated servant of the site who truly loves and cares about skiing. Plus he was (is?) a legit skier in his day
Also, I've been here since 1999 or so and this site is better now than ever imo, for what that's worth
Care to share with us the YoY traffic rates? How about new members added or repeat visitors? I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that SLVSH/SLVPP is doing much better than NS and the major distinction to me is that they create their own content and provide reason to actually visit their site.
I fucking love Newschoolers but I honestly dont understand why its dying/this is so hard. A year or two ago I saw a NS "article" published on FB with the headline "20 edits to get you hyped for the this season" or something along those lines. It was literally 20 edits that I saved for the URLs for in my own personal word doc so I could easily find them when I wanted to watch skiing. I posted it in a forum of "fav edits" and someone from NS literally just pasted and embedded published. That gave me some insight into legitimately how little effort goes into creating content for the site and that why I attributed NS death to the lack of content.
GrandThingsCare to share with us the YoY traffic rates? How about new members added or repeat visitors? I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that SLVSH/SLVPP is doing much better than NS and the major distinction to me is that they create their own content and provide reason to actually visit their site.
I fucking love Newschoolers but I honestly dont understand why its dying/this is so hard. A year or two ago I saw a NS "article" published on FB with the headline "20 edits to get you hyped for the this season" or something along those lines. It was literally 20 edits that I saved for the URLs for in my own personal word doc so I could easily find them when I wanted to watch skiing. I posted it in a forum of "fav edits" and someone from NS literally just pasted and embedded published. That gave me some insight into legitimately how little effort goes into creating content for the site and that why I attributed NS death to the lack of content.
To answer your first point, I went to this site and got rough numbers on Slvsh and NS. (https://www.similarweb.com)
Here's what I found
NS is beating SLVSH by 10x as much traffic. SLVSH has 61% of their traffic from direct sources (aka someone typing in SLVSH.com). NS has 24% from direct but over 50% from google search terms which mainly people typing in "newschoolers" but I'm guessing it has a lot of traffic from tutorials, threads and major ski people.
In terms of app downloads (on android since you cant see apple), both say 1k downloads on their app page.
I'd like to know, in what terms do you mean by saying you think SLVSH is doing "better" than NS? Traffic? Clearly not. App downloads? Seems close.
Second point:
You said "I posted it in a forum of "fav edits" and someone from NS literally just pasted and embedded published" do you mean that you posted in a thread about what your fav edit is, some staff member copy/pasted that 20 edits article link into the thread or what? That didn't make much sense. If you're tired of seeing this "lack of effort" why don't you write something? It's an open platform unlike 99% of media sites out there. Content on NS has been community generated (majority of the time) for as long as it has existed. Sure you had guys like Schmuck and now Twig writing a lot for the site but the bread and butter has been members writing/posting shit they want to post.
Also, the big thing if you look at videos (which this is just beating a dead horse buuuuttt), IG has provided a platform for kids to post edits and clips to a much larger audience that NS can never truly attain. If IG didn't exist, I could guarantee the video section would be absolutely saturated with content. /rant
As someone who lives and dies with skiing the cottonwoods here in Utah,Snowbird is straight up fucking bullshit gimmicks and the vibe is starting to kinda die there.
It's hard to narrow it down but there were some things in terms of logistics and terrain management that pissed me off. You're really gonna fucking close the entire gad valley like in mid-spring when we are having like one of the best seasons in decades? Not to mention it was fucking so annoying seeing them do "control work" on stuff that was clearly good to ski, but wouldn't open up at all except for their fucking bullshit "team riders" and cool insta photos. They would literally hold stuff so it would make for a good social media post.
DeebieSkeebiesAs someone who lives and dies with skiing the cottonwoods here in Utah,Snowbird is straight up fucking bullshit gimmicks and the vibe is starting to kinda die there.
It's hard to narrow it down but there were some things in terms of logistics and terrain management that pissed me off. You're really gonna fucking close the entire gad valley like in mid-spring when we are having like one of the best seasons in decades? Not to mention it was fucking so annoying seeing them do "control work" on stuff that was clearly good to ski, but wouldn't open up at all except for their fucking bullshit "team riders" and cool insta photos. They would literally hold stuff so it would make for a good social media post.
Ski industry marketing is down right angering
^^ THIS. As a fellow bird ripper, I could not agree more. Absolute bullshit these last few years.. Not to mention their social media manager ozskier.... Be the man I wish I could be, and start a thread about this
**This post was edited on Jan 4th 2018 at 12:39:48am
DGLord420To answer your first point, I went to this site and got rough numbers on Slvsh and NS. (https://www.similarweb.com)
Here's what I found
NS is beating SLVSH by 10x as much traffic. SLVSH has 61% of their traffic from direct sources (aka someone typing in SLVSH.com). NS has 24% from direct but over 50% from google search terms which mainly people typing in "newschoolers" but I'm guessing it has a lot of traffic from tutorials, threads and major ski people.
In terms of app downloads (on android since you cant see apple), both say 1k downloads on their app page.
I'd like to know, in what terms do you mean by saying you think SLVSH is doing "better" than NS? Traffic? Clearly not. App downloads? Seems close.
Second point:
You said "I posted it in a forum of "fav edits" and someone from NS literally just pasted and embedded published" do you mean that you posted in a thread about what your fav edit is, some staff member copy/pasted that 20 edits article link into the thread or what? That didn't make much sense. If you're tired of seeing this "lack of effort" why don't you write something? It's an open platform unlike 99% of media sites out there. Content on NS has been community generated (majority of the time) for as long as it has existed. Sure you had guys like Schmuck and now Twig writing a lot for the site but the bread and butter has been members writing/posting shit they want to post.
Also, the big thing if you look at videos (which this is just beating a dead horse buuuuttt), IG has provided a platform for kids to post edits and clips to a much larger audience that NS can never truly attain. If IG didn't exist, I could guarantee the video section would be absolutely saturated with content. /rant
So you have a pretty reasonable picture of the whole thing. Similarweb isn't a perfect tool, its a bit off, like Newschoolers was Closer to 1.1 million "Total Visits" in the last 30 days, but pages per visit and Avg. Visit Duration are very close. Christmas is really dead too, so I expect that to jump in the coming month.
I would imagine that Slvsh has a similar margin of error to their own traffic, but the actual numbers I have no idea. Really, Slvsh is extremely good at getting people to their highly produced games each week. They serve a very specific content purpose, and its awesome... but Newschoolers services a radically wider audience and offerings of touch points on the site so its much easier for us to get all kinds of traffic on top of our core audience.
For app traffic, we're at 11,819 downloads as of writing this post, and it has been growing steadily. I have no ability to speak to the number of downloads of Slapp, but I would bet it is much higher than that 1k downloads number. Our android numbers are ~3k out of the total. Breaks down like this:
In terms of the question that sparked this, where Newschoolers doesn't make any of its own stuff... I think that @DGLord420 makes the point where Newschoolers has always been about featuring content from the people. That is our core offering to the world. However, I would dispute that we don't make our own stuff... I mean in video we make very little of it I agree. We have some pretty successful stuff like 5 questions With, and Evan has been making more edits with athletes and places like Superpark. Video is limited though, our real bread and butter of created content is the news right now.
News has been the biggest area of investment, and sure there are some articles which are just compilations of awesome videos, but there are others like the Revision investigation, The Roofbox Reviews and The Bunch Review which are examples of a higher level of journalism we're starting to invest more in.
Media is going through massive change right now, and all the rules of even the internet world of 3 years ago have been completely changed... let alone any idea of what was considered Successful in the past.
We have and always will be, Skiing's Community first and foremost. That is at the core of what Harvey invented all the way back in 1999. However times have changed a lot, so we adapt to fit that philosophy within the new world of internet media. Producing content is absolutely something we should be doing more of, and we've been laying the framework to invest heavily in it over the last few years. I'm hoping that this season sees even more awesome written content than the last, mixed in with a community of skiers stoked to chat about skiing. Evan has been hard at work producing more video, and we're going to do everything to highlight all the awesome edits which still drop on the site every day.
DeebieSkeebiesAs someone who lives and dies with skiing the cottonwoods here in Utah,Snowbird is straight up fucking bullshit gimmicks and the vibe is starting to kinda die there.
It's hard to narrow it down but there were some things in terms of logistics and terrain management that pissed me off. You're really gonna fucking close the entire gad valley like in mid-spring when we are having like one of the best seasons in decades? Not to mention it was fucking so annoying seeing them do "control work" on stuff that was clearly good to ski, but wouldn't open up at all except for their fucking bullshit "team riders" and cool insta photos. They would literally hold stuff so it would make for a good social media post.
Ski industry marketing is down right angering
Feel the same way about them closing the Peruvian side super early for the last couple of years. And getting rid of the affordable midweek pass really fucked me over.
Like hot.pocket said, More than anything the square tip makes moment skis different from most other brands out there. But after skiing moments for a while I've noticed some other benefits.
1) the square tip helps eliminate unnecessary material on the ends of the ski, reducing rotational weight
2) ^ it also reduces "tip flop" in a ski with a flex pattern as progressive as most Moments
3) it makes for a more solid application of the 3/4 edge wrap, which IMO allows for more natural torsional flexing
4) gives me a nice big target to hit while doing tip/tail grabs
5) Did I mention it looks different from other skis?!
EDIT: non of this shit is scientifically proven!
**This post was edited on Jan 4th 2018 at 1:06:31pm
Denseclouds^^ THIS. As a fellow bird ripper, I could not agree more. Absolute bullshit these last few years.. Not to mention their social media manager ozskier.... Be the man I wish I could be, and start a thread about this
**This post was edited on Jan 4th 2018 at 12:39:48am
we missed out on the glory days. Bonar and Cummings are gonna run that place into the ground but at least they got a cool funky ski mountain for them and their rich buddies to all ski. Same goes for the marketing team, at least they can still hold off on rope drops and spreading crowds out so that whatever bullshit team rider/buddy of theirs can have a thuper sick insta photo.
Good terrain, absolutely abhorrent how it's ran. Its hard to focus on the skiing cuz there is never anything open.
