Unpopular opinion thread skier's edition

jack.schill.12rollerblading is sick

Newschoolers are basically fucking winter rollerbladers so I dunno if that's a unpopular opinion

I think 99 percent of rap music sucks balls.

Style is a hundred times easier to have when you just swivel around and can't dub or even trip. imo there are only like 3 or 4 people who can huck a trip with style and that probably includes Henrik and maybe Kai Mahler with the carve trip 16 at x. Oh bUt hE sEnT A 1980 WItH nO sTeEzE I'd like to see you fucking try.

JoeF2661I think 99 percent of rap music sucks balls.

Whats the 1%?

nxtyrsfulltiltsWhats the 1%?

Jurassic 5, atmosphere and maybe one or two more

People who hate on new wave actually have that jock attitude they claim to despise.

There's nothing wrong with "new wave". People used to talk shit about kids who wanted to wear tall ts and big pants when I started skiing. Skiing is fun because you can do whatever you want. If I wanna flow around and wave my arms in my windbreaker I have every right as do you to spin like a helicopter and grab

People's loyalty to a specific brand pisses me off. Stop falling for a marketing scheme.

r00kiePeople's loyalty to a specific brand pisses me off. Stop falling for a marketing scheme.

Word

r00kiePeople's loyalty to a specific brand pisses me off. Stop falling for a marketing scheme.

What if it's a core brand that actually makes superior products like Moment and on3p?

Rum_HamWhat if it's a core brand that actually makes superior products like Moment and on3p?

Its the blind loyalty that gets me. It seems that some think just because a brands logo is on something it's instantly better.

Gangster skiing.

Live in inner city LA. There isn't anything cool about gangsters or ghettos. You got swindled into buying that album because that guy wants to gtfo. When I see kids blasting gangster music with n bombs out of the escalade their parents bought them, it looks downright ridiculous and I feel embarrassed for them.

mr.tibblesGangster skiing.

Live in inner city LA. There isn't anything cool about gangsters or ghettos. You got swindled into buying that album because that guy wants to gtfo. When I see kids blasting gangster music with n bombs out of the escalade their parents bought them, it looks downright ridiculous and I feel embarrassed for them.

Something a wangster would say.

.lenconSomething a wangster would say.

I don't listen to any rap or hip hop music so not sure what that means

I fucking hate goggles. Even if it's dumping a shit ton of snow, I just can't wear em

mr.tibblesGangster skiing.

Live in inner city LA. There isn't anything cool about gangsters or ghettos. You got swindled into buying that album because that guy wants to gtfo. When I see kids blasting gangster music with n bombs out of the escalade their parents bought them, it looks downright ridiculous and I feel embarrassed for them.

I think gangbanging is pathetic but still listen to rap music just because I like the sound and the flow fits my skiing. Plus the mayority of rap artists are not gang affiliated in any way. You don't have to take shitloads of drugs and treat women like shit to enjoy rock music as well.

Jesper Tjader is the best skier ever

EDIT: For all of you just coming into the unpopular thread downvoting unpopular opinions without having a discussion here’s my thinking. In terms of tricks wise nobody is doing what he’s doing. Unrallistic is the whackest and sickest edit I’ve seen in a while. His Olympic run was straight bonkers and he pushed tricks nobody would dare to try cause of “consistency” He’s got the triple and can spin lkek nobodies business. If you’re gonan thumbs down can you at least tell me why that is what this websites for

**This post was edited on Apr 11th 2018 at 6:28:46pm

colbyapplegateJesper Tjader is the best skier ever

GTFO

GRaboneSnowContinuing on this, I think most of the Oakley goggles and Helmets look like complete shit.

Some of the new goggles for 2018 don’t have the giant O anymore. It’s a small patch that looks way better

Raising one leg while doing an off axis spin doesn't make it a cork. It just makes it an off axis spin with a wide safety grab, your body is still fairly upright.

GRaboneSnowContinuing on this, I think most of the Oakley goggles and Helmets look like complete shit.

oakley hasn’t been cool since 2006

.Fryoakley hasn’t been cool since 2006

I think they were pretty cool when they dropped the osama pros

.Fryoakley hasn’t been cool since 2006

Goggles = I agree.
Shades = different story.

.Fryoakley hasn’t been cool since 2006

You're right this is an unpopular opinion.

K-Dot.Goggles = I agree.
Shades = different story.

I also think the harmony fade shit for the Olympics looks obnoxious as fuck. Especially on all the kids with the line miners.

Tall T Dan doesn't preach what he teaches.

GRaboneSnowI also think the harmony fade shit for the Olympics looks obnoxious as fuck. Especially on all the kids with the line miners.

Agreed but the antifreeze green goggles at Sochi were tight

chris.goodhueI'd much rather watch a stylish skier thats less sendy than a super send triple guy

maybe not unpopular but still

but like Busch combined both so looks like were all good aye

jack.schill.12rollerblading is sick

ColingarnesNewschoolers are basically fucking winter rollerbladers so I dunno if that's a unpopular opinion

LOL / make a claim on your social media platform of choice and watch yourself get eaten alive by hate. People just as confused when it comes to skiing, gets a free pass 99% of the time.

Rollerblading > skiing

Hard to imagaine any of you actually blading without doing lame ski tricks with wheels

Very unpopular bring on the downvotes but the same people who are saying “new wave is sick let them ski however they want” are the same people roasting comp jocks for skiing how they want

colbyapplegateVery unpopular bring on the downvotes but the same people who are saying “new wave is sick let them ski however they want” are the same people roasting comp jocks for skiing how they want

is being a comp jock a personal choice? yes. Just as much as it is to be a new waver. I would argue the difference here is the actual freedom of trick selection after you have either identified as comp jock or new waver ( if we want to use those terms) is significantly limited in the comp scene. Generally, there is more freedom of expression in the new wave, for a comp maybe less so. There are standard objectively hard tricks that one must need for a comp, maybe thats the way you like to ski, but the genre of skiing is defining what ski tricks you do more than your own creativity.

I would argue comp jocks are skiing how they think they should, not how they want.

Sean Petit has more style on a snowboard than skis

chrispyminisSean Petit has more style on a snowboard than skis

I'll concur

All urban edits I have watched except for LJ Strenio's 2017 Real Ski Edit have been very boring and pretty much exactly the same as every other urban edit. Not hating on urban I just don't get any stoke from it.

IdahoeAll urban edits I have watched except for LJ Strenio's 2017 Real Ski Edit have been very boring and pretty much exactly the same as every other urban edit. Not hating on urban I just don't get any stoke from it.

We have pretty much just gotten used to people doing big hard rails, to the point that it all looks the same because it has already been done.
and there isn't much room to push it further.

IdahoeAll urban edits I have watched except for LJ Strenio's 2017 Real Ski Edit have been very boring and pretty much exactly the same as every other urban edit. Not hating on urban I just don't get any stoke from it.

https://vimeo.com/86449278
"Boring"

ON3P is overrated and you can get much more for less money. I do not hate ON3P at all but I feel they are a bit over rated and every new kid wants them. Also you see in almost every ski thread someone recommends ON3P without actually riding their skis. Do not get me wrong I'd want a pair but there are different options for a lot less that will hold up.
Much respect for them guys at ON3P tho.

MaimHelpON3P is overrated and you can get much more for less money. I do not hate ON3P at all but I feel they are a bit over rated and every new kid wants them. Also you see in almost every ski thread someone recommends ON3P without actually riding their skis. Do not get me wrong I'd want a pair but there are different options for a lot less that will hold up.
Much respect for them guys at ON3P tho.

Back that first statement up. Who else offers “much more for less money” in a ski than on3p? I’m really curious to hear what you have to say.

Film.https://vimeo.com/86449278
"Boring"

Thats a really old edit that was dope when it dropped

MaimHelp is probably about to get thought-policed. Didn't you know criticizing on3p is forbidden? There's a newschoolers' dug grave containing the bodies of Mort and others.

I don't think on3p is overrated, but I do agree with you that it's annoying when someone says some on3p model is sick when they've only read about it.

Chubz.Back that first statement up. Who else offers “much more for less money” in a ski than on3p? I’m really curious to hear what you have to say.

Well if you think about it any big ski brand(Even smaller brands are dope) has pretty good skis. Hell I skied a pair of line chronics for a few years and only had 1 edge crack and some top sheet damage and I ride like 90% park and abuse my shit pretty hard. Also other brands like Armada make relatively good skis that are durable. I have a friend that rode a pair for like 5 years and they are definitely still ride-able. Also this is a guy from Pennsylvania so I could just be wrong. I do not want to pay $550-800 for a pair of skis when I can get an equivalent whole setup for that much.

MaimHelpWell if you think about it any big ski brand(Even smaller brands are dope) has pretty good skis. Hell I skied a pair of line chronics for a few years and only had 1 edge crack and some top sheet damage and I ride like 90% park and abuse my shit pretty hard. Also other brands like Armada make relatively good skis that are durable. I have a friend that rode a pair for like 5 years and they are definitely still ride-able. Also this is a guy from Pennsylvania so I could just be wrong. I do not want to pay $550-800 for a pair of skis when I can get an equivalent whole setup for that much.

Explaining that chronics and armada skis are good skis doesn’t really sound the same as getting more for less money. I’ve had on3ps and they’re the most solid built skis I’ve owned. My lines fell apart in 2 seasons, I had a pair of k2 press’s that got chewed apart in the few seasons I had them as well. My kartels however took almost 3 years of beating and looked near brand new when I got rid of them. My vishnu’s have held up pretty damn well too.
Have you owned on3ps? Idk claiming they’re overhyped just Bc they’re gaining popularity is pretty wack to me. Just because every kid wants to be on a pair doesn’t make them bad, or that they don’t deserve the rep they have.
They look cool, they fuckin shred, and they last. Plus your money goes straight back into a dank ass company and the owners are super active on the forums, what’s there not to like?

MaimHelpON3P is overrated and you can get much more for less money. I do not hate ON3P at all but I feel they are a bit over rated and every new kid wants them. Also you see in almost every ski thread someone recommends ON3P without actually riding their skis. Do not get me wrong I'd want a pair but there are different options for a lot less that will hold up.
Much respect for them guys at ON3P tho.

They are a really dope company/brand. Haven't be blessed enough to ski them, but I feel that on3p could put their logo on a pair of first year afterbangs and half of ns would think they're the greatest thing ever. Blind loyalty

Interesting thread as always.

MaimHelpON3P is overrated and you can get much more for less money. I do not hate ON3P at all but I feel they are a bit over rated and every new kid wants them. Also you see in almost every ski thread someone recommends ON3P without actually riding their skis. Do not get me wrong I'd want a pair but there are different options for a lot less that will hold up.
Much respect for them guys at ON3P tho.

Out of pure curiosity, who do you feel offers much more (regardless of cost)?

We obviously get that people on here get annoyed on recommendations made without personal experience (I think that applies to all brands). It is strange for us too. But people have been accusing ON3P of being overrated for a decade. Hype built on nothing is hard to maintain.

r00kieThey are a really dope company/brand. Haven't be blessed enough to ski them, but I feel that on3p could put their logo on a pair of first year afterbangs and half of ns would think they're the greatest thing ever. Blind loyalty

Brand loyalty has to be backed by something. Putting our logo on an afterbang quality ski would destroy a lot of that loyalty long term, even if we could get away with it in the short term.

As for cost - if people don't understand why our skis are slightly more money that brands made in China or European factories doing 500k pairs per year, not much we can do. Variety is good and I'm glad there are more affordable options out there - we want skiing to be all encompassing and grow as a sport. That said, we have a passion for building skis - and spend a lot of time and money internally to offer something that isn't off the shelf. If it is for you, great. If not, lots of other options out there.

Know im not the first to say glad ski season is over. I love spring skiing but this was such a short season I didn’t feel like I ever got too much momentum running. When the remaining days of skiing are limited you always feel like you have to go ski even if it’s not what you feel like doin. Begins to feel like team sports—some days are great and you have a blast, other days you’re only going through the motion and would rather be doin other shit

theLiquorKnow im not the first to say glad ski season is over. I love spring skiing but this was such a short season I didn’t feel like I ever got too much momentum running. When the remaining days of skiing are limited you always feel like you have to go ski even if it’s not what you feel like doin. Begins to feel like team sports—some days are great and you have a blast, other days you’re only going through the motion and would rather be doin other shit

Damn man. I would say the beginning of the season was a little rough where I live... But the rest has been killer. Still going.

I miss 2008-2012. Hasn't been topped in terms of style and overall progression.

**This post was edited on Apr 17th 2018 at 3:13:06pm

iggyskierOut of pure curiosity, who do you feel offers much more (regardless of cost)?

Libtech actually seems to give a shit about their environmental impact unlike just about every other ski brand, ON3P included but correct me if I'm wrong.

It's embarrassing that a sport that relies entirely on incredibly fragile climates is fueled by brands who don't give the slightest shit about their carbon footprint and subsequent contribution to climate change.

K-Dot.Libtech actually seems to give a shit about their environmental impact unlike just about every other ski brand, ON3P included but correct me if I'm wrong.

It's embarrassing that a sport that relies entirely on incredibly fragile climates is fueled by brands who don't give the slightest shit about their carbon footprint and subsequent contribution to climate change.

Mervin's dedication to lowering their environmental impact is great and it is good someone at their size brings attention to it. We don't have their marketing arm nor do we have their economy of scale, though we do what we can. I'll run through what they do and how it would compare to ON3P.

We can get the easy ones out of the way.

http://www.mervinmade.com/#map

Here are areas we're current similar, based upon their marketing materials on environmental initiatives.
1) Water Based Sub Ink (aka no oil - same at ON3P)
2) Lov VOC Resin System (aka not terrible epoxy - same at ON3P)
3) Water Power - I believe what they are referring here is wet grinding. This keeps contaminants out of the air and obviously makes a much nicer working environment for customers (same at ON3P).
4) Recycle all wood scraps (Same at ON3P). All our saw dust is collected and is donated to a horse farm for bedding. All of scrap bamboo is recycled and picked up by local builders who use it to build a variety of small consumer products.
5) No Toxic Lacquers - these are used to seal topsheets - (We don't use anything like that - so same at ON3P).
6) Eco Woods - on our end, the Bamboo we use has about a 6 year growth cycle, vs about 30 years for comparable hardwoods, which is of course a benefit. Downside is we have to get it from China, so there the negative of transport. There are people trying to grow similar bamboo stateside, but the climate here is likely not conducive enough to allow the bamboo to grow big enough for our function. We keep an eye on this but no real movement on this in years from what we've seen.
7) Zero hazardous waste - again, same here. We're pretty tame in this regard, thankfully.


Here is what is different:
1) Bean Plastics - We have no access to it and from we've been told, their use is limited.
2) Recycled Sidewalls - Again, from what we've been told, limited in use. Most of their sidewalls I believe come from Crown Plastic - same supplier as ON3P.
3) Bio Topsheets - I don't enough here to say definitively how
pervasive their use in across their whole production line, but I've never seen a supplier we can buy bio topsheets from.
4) No toxic solvents. Technically we do use one solvent - Acetone - to clean oil off our edges and at other general tasks around the shop. We've actually reached out to Mervin to see what they do and explored other options, but from what we've seen, they get away with no solvents but literally just not cleaning things we clear here. As our brand is build on quality, and we don't have the scale to produce many skis with issues, it is paramount that our ski parts of clean when they go into a ski. Solvents like acetone are the best way to ensure that is the case.
5) Windpower - We're actively looking into carbon buy backs and other options that are practically for a high overhead, low margin business like ours. Wind isn't something we've found much on. In the consults we've done, it seems the easiest way for us to address this sort of approach was thru carbon buy back. We have a local consultant who helps answer questions on this and once we feel we are in a comfortable financial spot to do so, this is something we will address.
6) Recycle Plastics - this is the big one where they kick our ass. We've tried for years to recycle plastic waste. We have bags and bags and bags of it still stashed up high on pallets racks waiting to see if we can find somewhere to recycle it. We've even talked to the same company that recycles Mervin's plastic, but as Mervin is substantially larger than us, they have economy of scale to make it practical. We've been told we are too small to do so.

We tried other avenues on plastic. We've explore even repacking the plastic waste as other products - for example, making bean bags out of plastic off the CNC (we have samples here) - but the weight of the plastic is too heavy for us to transport them affordably (they are so heavy they are hard to even move).


So that is the discussion based upon the list Mervin includes to talk about the environment. The other thing we preach is just overall waste. Our skis last longer than other brands - particularly the skis that aren't slamming rails all the time (park skis are what they are). As such, an ON3P customer is going to need less skis over the life of their skiing career. That is less manufacturing waste, less manufacturing energy, and less ski waste at the end of the skier's lifecycle.

While we might not preach or market much of this, you would be wrong to assume we "don't give a shit" about the environment. We do what we can with the options available to us. As those options increase, we will reassess and do more. We are in manufacturing, so there is always waste, but we factor in the environment in ways that are practical for a business our size.

K-Dot.Libtech actually seems to give a shit about their environmental impact unlike just about every other ski brand, ON3P included but correct me if I'm wrong.

It's embarrassing that a sport that relies entirely on incredibly fragile climates is fueled by brands who don't give the slightest shit about their carbon footprint and subsequent contribution to climate change.

Lol gotta love NS where you would get down-voted for a post like this. Fucking tooooools.