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Would you go vegan for skiing?

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fries
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I was thinking about this the other day because so many people have been going vegan. I figured you guys would have some interesting opinions.

So, with the issue of climate change threatening winter sports altogether, shouldn't it be noted that animal agriculture is one of the biggest causes of climate change? It seems like the simplest way to make an impact is the one that everyone ignores - eating less meat.
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Dec 8 2017 2:51PM
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fries
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sanctuaryfreeI'm not in for 100% vegan but definitely trying to reduce red meat consumption - maybe having a couple of purely veggie meals each week. If everyone did the same it would have a a significant effect on the meat industry.


This.
Dec 11 2017 8:12AM
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Chubz.
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steviewanderjust hunt for it


fr.

way way way wayyy healthier for you too.
Dec 11 2017 8:35AM
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ic3burg
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sanctuaryfreeI'm not in for 100% vegan but definitely trying to reduce red meat consumption - maybe having a couple of purely veggie meals each week. If everyone did the same it would have a a significant effect on the meat industry.


This. You don't have to drive a tesla and eat broccoli for every meal to make a difference. Small choices from many people have a huge impact, but it starts with a personal decision. Even picking one day per week to not eat meat has huge effects for a pretty small sacrifice.

Many people scoff at the vegan movement for being too radical or "hippie" as mentioned earlier. Even ordering chicken instead of beef or steak at a restaurant has an impact. Use a refillable water bottle. Bring a bag to the grocery store. These are super easy to do. Just be conscious of the cause and effect behind decisions at it will help
Dec 11 2017 10:30AM
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kirbstopper
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Steak and burgers are one of my favourite meals to make and eat. Veggies just dont taste as good without meat.

If skiing dies due to global warming i will be surfing all the new breaks that arrive due to rising sea levels.
Dec 11 2017 12:41PM
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fries
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kirbstopperSteak and burgers are one of my favourite meals to make and eat. Veggies just dont taste as good without meat.

If skiing dies due to global warming i will be surfing all the new breaks that arrive due to rising sea levels.


I'd say vice versa - meat doesnt taste good without veggies. Unless you like plain unseasoned meat.
Dec 11 2017 8:17PM
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CharlzHub
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I’d bite off my left nut for skiing
Dec 11 2017 11:00PM
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Jesse.White
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Im 85% of the time vegan, partly because the ladyfriend is vegan. And honestly, with vegan substitutes it's super manageable and cheap.
Dec 12 2017 12:49PM
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Jesse.White
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ic3burgThis. You don't have to drive a tesla and eat broccoli for every meal to make a difference. Small choices from many people have a huge impact, but it starts with a personal decision.


Lol true thing is that Teslas are awful for our environment. My capstone thesis paper is Tesla specifically and their emissions before they even roll of the line.
Dec 12 2017 12:52PM
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cool_name
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Jesse.WhiteLol true thing is that Teslas are awful for our environment. My capstone thesis paper is Tesla specifically and their emissions before they even roll of the line.


This, if you really want to be green, buy used
Dec 12 2017 2:50PM
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JTTrembles
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Yeah definitely, fake meat substitutes aren't too bad honestly
Dec 12 2017 3:44PM
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WoFIowz
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Would I go vegan to help with climate change? Nope. And I won't shop at whole foods either cuz it's overpriced bullshit. However if I was given an ultimate choice of whether to go vegan or never ski again, I'd probably go vegan as hard as that sounds.
Dec 13 2017 7:30PM
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kingsskier
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Ive been vegan for 5 years now (claim). I loved meat before it and didnt stop because I hated meat. I stopped eating meat due to the animal cruelty involved. Its honestly not hard to get what you want. There are meat substitutes that are pretty good, some have different textures but some are pretty spot on. There are plenty of cheese options that are better than dairy cheese and I LOVE cheese.
My biggest bitch with it is that it is WAY too expensive if your not just eating veggies and fruits. I grow all my veggies and buy all my fruit but the meat and cheese substitutes are SO overpriced.

One thing that being vegan does for you is it expands what you cook. There are so many foods that you discover after you switch over.

Also, Im 6'8" 220. You wont lose weight/muscle/all your hair if you go vegan. Im not pushing it on anyone, just stating what I learned. I rarely even tell anyone I am vegan because most vegans are super annoying and pushy.

**This post was edited on Dec 14th 2017 at 1:45:02pm
Dec 14 2017 1:42PM
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WoFIowz
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That's what gets me the most about you animal rights folks. Yeah a lot of farms are cruel to their animals, especially the likes of Tyson sponsored chicken farms and the one place that was caught on camera pushing cows with forklifts, but a lot aren't that bad. You going vegan won't change anything. Just like me saying this won't change anyone's mind. Also in the end, we are still killing them so does it really matter if they get a quick bolt to the head or hung upside down and cut open? Do you think Native Americans hunting Buffalo was a humane event? No it was gory af. We are literally breeding animals to kill them, rip their guts out, chop up their bodies, cook em and throw it on a pizza.

Inhumane: That's like saying criminals on death row shouldn't be electrocuted or hung or shot because it's cruel and inhumane; fucking shit. Not to go off topic but our quest for humanity has given an easy death to convicted murderers on row. They literally get flooded with barbiturates, benzos, and opiates plus or minus potassium chloride and paralytics. People say it's inhumane and they appear in pain or gasping for air, but in reality they're geeked out of their fucking kinds and have no clue wtf is going on. It's called overdosing.

Now back to vegans.

Chickens, fish, sheep are examples of very very stupid animals. Who cares what happens to them as long as it doesn't get me sick.

Cows? Pigs? OK maybe.

Being a vegan is your choice and no one is gonna stop you. But that won't prevent me from saying my opinion that it's stupid. Enjoy your supplements. I'll have a steak please. Carry on.
Dec 14 2017 2:49PM
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fries
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IsitWinterYet17That's what gets me the most about you animal rights folks. Yeah a lot of farms are cruel to their animals, especially the likes of Tyson sponsored chicken farms and the one place that was caught on camera pushing cows with forklifts, but a lot aren't that bad. You going vegan won't change anything. Just like me saying this won't change anyone's mind. Also in the end, we are still killing them so does it really matter if they get a quick bolt to the head or hung upside down and cut open? Do you think Native Americans hunting Buffalo was a humane event? No it was gory af. We are literally breeding animals to kill them, rip their guts out, chop up their bodies, cook em and throw it on a pizza.

Inhumane: That's like saying criminals on death row shouldn't be electrocuted or hung or shot because it's cruel and inhumane; fucking shit. Not to go off topic but our quest for humanity has given an easy death to convicted murderers on row. They literally get flooded with barbiturates, benzos, and opiates plus or minus potassium chloride and paralytics. People say it's inhumane and they appear in pain or gasping for air, but in reality they're geeked out of their fucking kinds and have no clue wtf is going on. It's called overdosing.

Now back to vegans.

Chickens, fish, sheep are examples of very very stupid animals. Who cares what happens to them as long as it doesn't get me sick.

Cows? Pigs? OK maybe.

Being a vegan is your choice and no one is gonna stop you. But that won't prevent me from saying my opinion that it's stupid. Enjoy your supplements. I'll have a steak please. Carry on.

This may be plausible to you, but everyone has a different reason. For some, it's ethics. But your argument fails to recognize health and environmental impacts - which is what this thread is all about.

Processed meat, for example, is recognized as a group 1 carcinogen by the World Health Organization http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Not to mention livestock (and their emissions) account for 51% of worldwide greenhouse gas emissions.
http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf

This is why I compare it to never being able to ski again - it would be a shame to suffer a disease that would be preventable with a better diet, or lose our winters as a result of lifestyle choices by past generations.
Dec 14 2017 5:58PM
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Andbrer
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IsitWinterYet17That's what gets me the most about you animal rights folks. Yeah a lot of farms are cruel to their animals, especially the likes of Tyson sponsored chicken farms and the one place that was caught on camera pushing cows with forklifts, but a lot aren't that bad. You going vegan won't change anything. Just like me saying this won't change anyone's mind. Also in the end, we are still killing them so does it really matter if they get a quick bolt to the head or hung upside down and cut open? Do you think Native Americans hunting Buffalo was a humane event? No it was gory af. We are literally breeding animals to kill them, rip their guts out, chop up their bodies, cook em and throw it on a pizza.

Inhumane: That's like saying criminals on death row shouldn't be electrocuted or hung or shot because it's cruel and inhumane; fucking shit. Not to go off topic but our quest for humanity has given an easy death to convicted murderers on row. They literally get flooded with barbiturates, benzos, and opiates plus or minus potassium chloride and paralytics. People say it's inhumane and they appear in pain or gasping for air, but in reality they're geeked out of their fucking kinds and have no clue wtf is going on. It's called overdosing.

Now back to vegans.

Chickens, fish, sheep are examples of very very stupid animals. Who cares what happens to them as long as it doesn't get me sick.

Cows? Pigs? OK maybe.

Being a vegan is your choice and no one is gonna stop you. But that won't prevent me from saying my opinion that it's stupid. Enjoy your supplements. I'll have a steak please. Carry on.


Yeah I think native americans are cruel and inhumane for what they do/did - not American so not subscribed to this weird idea that everything they did/done can't be questioned.

Also for most people I don't think they're naïve enough to believe going vegan is going to change the world, more that they do not want to support something they have came to disagree with an on ethical basis.
Dec 14 2017 6:21PM
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iced
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Profahoben_212This what? You can't just decide statistics are wrong


Hes a vegan take it easy
Dec 14 2017 7:25PM
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ic3burg
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that Native Americans hunting for food (what every carnivorous species does) can be drawn as a parallel to basically enslaving an entire species of animals for a nice side dish for Sunday brunch
Dec 15 2017 9:00AM
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jjdsteeze
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Being a vegan is your choice and no one is gonna stop you. But that won't prevent me from saying my opinion that it's stupid. Enjoy your supplements. I'll have a steak please. Carry on.[/QUOTE]

Enjoy our supplements? lol what nutrients do you think you can get from meat that you cant get in alternative foods?

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Dec 15 2017 9:52AM
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Booze.Hound
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Also, Im 6'8" 220. You wont lose weight/muscle/all your hair if you go vegan. Im not pushing it on anyone, just stating what I learned. I rarely even tell anyone I am vegan because most vegans are super annoying and pushy.

**This post was edited on Dec 14th 2017 at 1:45:02pm[/QUOTE]

Fuck bro what skis are u on
Dec 15 2017 10:52AM
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profa_212
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jjdsteezeBeing a vegan is your choice and no one is gonna stop you. But that won't prevent me from saying my opinion that it's stupid. Enjoy your supplements. I'll have a steak please. Carry on.

Enjoy our supplements? lol what nutrients do you think you can get from meat that you cant get in alternative foods?

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2017 at 9:53:32am

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It would be smart for most vegans/vegetarians to take iron supplements.....but considering most meat eating people don't get enough iron either that's a null point.
Dec 15 2017 12:58PM
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WoFIowz
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jjdsteezeEnjoy our supplements? lol what nutrients do you think you can get from meat that you cant get in alternative foods?

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2017 at 9:53:32am

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2017 at 9:54:07am


A lot of vegans need to take extra supplements because they do not eat enough variety and quantity of vegetables and grains to balance out their diet with vitamins and minerals. Not all do, but a good portion need to
Dec 15 2017 2:18PM
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jjdsteeze
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Profahoben_212It would be smart for most vegans/vegetarians to take iron supplements.....but considering most meat eating people don't get enough iron either that's a null point.


Dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron- random google search.

I think that anyone who has a well balanced vegan/veg diet shouldn't need any supplements. but it really would be a case by case basis
Dec 15 2017 3:27PM
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JohnnyDope
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eheathYeah but in 2017 we're much, much more efficient and likely will become more efficient and green within agriculture too in the future. Cutting out meat won't save the planet, that's all i'm trying to say here, don't let the hippies trick you.


Can't believe that guy trying to talk some sense into ya'll got more down than ups... jeeez

Also, being vegan is just a stupid trend nowadays made for people to buy more expensive groceries, not to make environment better in any way... That's just my two cents...
Dec 15 2017 3:37PM
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.Hugo.
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If I had a choice between vegan and ski or no skiing I'd not ski.
Dec 15 2017 5:33PM
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TroyAntipasta
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J_SI see what you're saying - but those industries won't close down unless people switch over. This is exactly why the dairy industry is beginning to decline; everyone's switching to milk substitutes

I think this also has to do with all the studies coming out saying milk raises estrogen levels for men.
Dec 17 2017 8:13PM
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cbj
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MGKI think this also has to do with all the studies coming out saying milk raises estrogen levels for men.


Can you link these studies? I thought it was soy that was linked to estrogen production.
Dec 17 2017 8:36PM
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TroyAntipasta
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Soy is linked to estrogen production as well. My aunt was an obgyn (retired recently because she can no longer work due to arthritis) would send me all these articles, studies, papers, etc on various different health topics she would research. I’ll have to go through and dig them up but if you do a little research on your own you will see there are a lot more causes to estrogen dominance than just soy.
Dec 17 2017 8:41PM
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cbj
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MGKSoy is linked to estrogen production as well. My aunt was an obgyn (retired recently because she can no longer work due to arthritis) would send me all these articles, studies, papers, etc on various different health topics she would research. I’ll have to go through and dig them up but if you do a little research on your own you will see there are a lot more causes to estrogen dominance than just soy.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28895675

Interesting, though these are just estrogenic factors. Not sure if milk could be linked to "dominance" as you say. If you carry more muscle mass, exercise regularly and eat enough saturated fats your androgen production will be high. So maybe it's an issue for a sedentary individual?
Dec 17 2017 8:50PM
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cbj
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JohnnyDopeCan't believe that guy trying to talk some sense into ya'll got more down than ups... jeeez

Also, being vegan is just a stupid trend nowadays made for people to buy more expensive groceries, not to make environment better in any way... That's just my two cents...


Well your two cents are pretty naive. I would say eating meat is actually more expensive than eating vegetarian / vegan. And as for the environment thing:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-014-1169-1

This study from the UK shows high-meat eaters producing via their diet twice as much in the form of indirect greenhouse gas emissions per year as someone who is vegan.
Dec 17 2017 8:56PM
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ic3burg
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cbjhigh-meat eaters producing via their diet twice as much in the form of indirect greenhouse gas emissions per year as someone who is vegan.


I don't understand why people still deny this, let alone people so invested in winter sports. Its a very strange "if it doesn't totally solve the problem don't bother" mentality. Before this forum I didn't realize how prevalent that was. Eating less meat isn't that hard and it helps. What more is there to it.
Dec 17 2017 11:09PM
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chicken
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JohnnyDopeCan't believe that guy trying to talk some sense into ya'll got more down than ups... jeeez

Also, being vegan is just a stupid trend nowadays made for people to buy more expensive groceries, not to make environment better in any way... That's just my two cents...


meat is much more expensive... chickpeas, lentils and tofu are cheap as fuck.
Dec 18 2017 12:53AM
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fries
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown
Oct 23 2018 10:28PM
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Nickc88
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Fun fact! If you run an organic farm you have to kill ever animal that walks onto the farm so that way they don't ruin the crop.
Oct 24 2018 11:46AM
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fries
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Nickc88Fun fact! If you run an organic farm you have to kill ever animal that walks onto the farm so that way they don't ruin the crop.


Yeah, I was talking about the environmental standpoint, aka why this is even relevant to skiing. If you had a problem with killing animals on organic farms, then you still wouldn't be eating meat, because you directly know it's causing harm.
Oct 24 2018 12:12PM
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CalumSKI
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J_SI was thinking about this the other day because so many people have been going vegan. I figured you guys would have some interesting opinions.

So, with the issue of climate change threatening winter sports altogether, shouldn't it be noted that animal agriculture is one of the biggest causes of climate change? It seems like the simplest way to make an impact is the one that everyone ignores - eating less meat.


eating less meat= more animals=more methane gas=climate change
eat meat lads
Oct 24 2018 1:23PM
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fries
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CalumSKIeating less meat= more animals=more methane gas=climate change
eat meat lads

Only reason they exist is because we pay for them to be bred. If there was a lower demand for meat then there would be less animals.
Oct 24 2018 1:53PM
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WoFIowz
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J_SOnly reason they exist is because we pay for them to be bred. If there was a lower demand for meat then there would be less animals.


So how do we stop the ones we have from multiplying? Kill em all or cut their nuts off?
Oct 24 2018 2:04PM
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fries
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IsitWinterYet17So how do we stop the ones we have from multiplying? Kill em all or cut their nuts off?

Breed less and less over time
Oct 24 2018 2:13PM
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Ben_Dover
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Yes
Oct 24 2018 4:28PM
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maxlemke002
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when you eat meat, the meat needs to eat something and every time something is consumed, it loses around 90% of its mass, so its no efficient at all. I also heard that people who eat meat use 20 times the amount of land to grow food.
Oct 25 2018 12:49PM
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vibecheck
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Are you a hunter or a gatherer?
Oct 25 2018 2:00PM
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McMafia
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I would try it out. I bet you'd stay healthier and have more energy...BUT being a vegan is expensive and hard
Oct 25 2018 3:09PM
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K-Dot.
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McMafiaI would try it out. I bet you'd stay healthier and have more energy...BUT being a vegan is expensive and hard


It's cheaper
Oct 25 2018 5:14PM
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maxlemke002
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McMafiaI would try it out. I bet you'd stay healthier and have more energy...BUT being a vegan is expensive and hard


try not eating meat on one day of a week, then slowly work your way to being a vegetarian.
Oct 25 2018 5:38PM
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fries
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McMafiaI would try it out. I bet you'd stay healthier and have more energy...BUT being a vegan is expensive and hard

It’s a stereotype because lots of people transitioning to a vegan diet eat plant based meat, cheese, and other things like that. Plenty of vegans rely on staples like beans, rice, lentils, and pasta on a daily basis, and they’re some of the cheapest to buy.

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Oct 25 2018 8:01PM
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profa_212
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McMafiaI would try it out. I bet you'd stay healthier and have more energy...BUT being a vegan is expensive and hard

I am literally 90% vegatarian due to the fact that it's cheaper.


It's not that hard to just not buy meat when you go to the store. But yeah I feel. I used to think it would be pretty hard.

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Oct 26 2018 2:23AM
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-eREKTion-
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The main reason I'll never go vegan is nutrition. My lunch today was 448 calories with 52 grams of protein, find me a plant based meal with those simple macros and I'll reconsider. You can get a lot of protein on a plant based diet but you end up consuming an inefficient amount of calories.
Oct 26 2018 3:28AM
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WoFIowz
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Honest question: is there any other reason to be vegan over vegetarian other than love of animals?
Oct 26 2018 10:58AM
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fries
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IsitWinterYet17Honest question: is there any other reason to be vegan over vegetarian other than love of animals?

Yes, dairy cows create emissions just like regular beef cattle, also eggs/dairy are inefficient in terms of resource use just like other animal products
Oct 26 2018 11:17AM
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K-Dot.
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IsitWinterYet17Honest question: is there any other reason to be vegan over vegetarian other than love of animals?


There are myriad health benefits to eliminating dairy from one's diet. The human body was not designed to process the amount of baby cow formula that a traditional western diet includes. It's no debate that the plant milk industry is booming right now because people are becoming more informed on how arbitrary and unnecessary the fixation on dairy is within a western diet, as well as how many health issues are tied to it.
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