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_Jeffrey_it seems like they put a lot of work into what the skis look like as far as graphics go than actually building them out of better materials
Park_RangerTheir presence in the industry is very loud/in your face/not chill. If there is hate towards them, I could see it being similar to the hate that Saga gets.
_Jeffrey_JLEV is a ski genius. (I have not ridden a pair just what i think so far) But with that being said it seems like they put a lot of work into what the skis look like as far as graphics go than actually building them out of better materials
AurousKilnthe marketing
dolanbrasserThey expesnive asf and your j paying for their marketing campaign and random graphics, I think JLev is straight up and a chill guy but I think a lot of the hate comes from the price of the skis espicailly when there's nothing that unique to them except for the graphic.
SharkoThe price is not cheap, but it's comparable to other skis made in North America like ON3P and Moment.
There are plenty of cheaper skis out there, but they are made in China.
I don't think price is a factor here.
dolanbrasserYah but most skiers ik would rather spend that money on on3p skis rather than j skis so I j think that J skis if they lowered the price a little bit would make them more reasonable.
SharkoThe price is not cheap, but it's comparable to other skis made in North America like ON3P and Moment.
There are plenty of cheaper skis out there, but they are made in China.
I don't think price is a factor here.
freeskibum82china does not mean bad these days...
SharkoI didn't say it meant bad, I said it meant less expensive.
Skis made in North America cost more and JSkis are priced comparably to other skis made in North America.
IsitWinterYet17Now don't be backtracking. You said "... Cheaper price..... BUT they're made in China". That infers you see them as lower quality.
freeskibum82a brand new factory in china with the state of the art equipment produces high quality skis... ahem... line and k2.. all the workers were trained on the latest technology in a state of the art facility instead of an old US factory retrofitted to "work"
china does not mean bad these days...
IliveinutahIf they spent less on marketing to NS kids and more on R&D then maybe people would like them.
They suck and are overhyped by tools.
IsitWinterYet17So kind of along the topic of expensive skis, any idea why it's impossible to find ON3P kartel 98 or 108 skis for anything less than manufacturer prices, aka $700+? Also previous year models are non-existant online as brand new. For example Armada skis are expensive, but you can always find previous year models for a few hundred off.
Is this because ON3P only makes a small amount of skis (just enough to satisfy demand), therefore there is no surplus to discount? Or do people just really like these skis and places can charge that knowing they will always sell? Yes I know Armada is a bigger company, but just curious. What am I missing here?
freeskibum82a brand new factory in china with the state of the art equipment produces high quality skis... ahem... line and k2.. all the workers were trained on the latest technology in a state of the art facility instead of an old US factory retrofitted to "work"
china does not mean bad these days...
CB4TSBThey funny thing is the kid who made the J Ski virginity post skis on Lines with Full Tilts. Very ironic.......
sharhodesWhen you are splitting up your profit like that it takes away from the ability to add good materials into the equation and youre making the money instead on volume (i.e all the jerry skis big conglomerates make). Businesses are run off of margins it has to make sense to get funded in the first place. So when you see a ski that is priced 700 vs one that's 450 it's probably because the materials/ labor used to produce that ski are of much higher quality. Will you know until you have them for a little while? No, but a company that charges too much for a shit product rarely lasts long. Proof is in the pudding
**This post was edited on Dec 1st 2017 at 5:09:12pm
PoikenzYou are both right and wrong as well though. It's super cheap to produce in China, but that has to do with production costs (cost of labour, electricity, etc.) and doesn't mean that the materials or labour are of a lesser quality, there are a hell of a lot of over engineered hard to build "jerry" skis. The high end Chinese skis can be more expensive, but I'd argue that is has less to do with materials and more to do with marketing ($1000 race or any other ski). Edges and base material only come from a few select producers and when buying in bulk like a large manufacturer would, the costs drop, while they would remain high for a small manufacturer.
Jskis don't seem any different than any other manufacturer in terms of materials being used (there is no way a 1mm thicker edge and base are eating up $250 extra dollars per pair of skis). The cores aren't anything special, plenty of companies use maple, everyone sells on carbon stringer hype, a lot of companies use quad-axial fiberglass, which still isn't the most optimal fiber orientation. The factory isn't anything special either (Utopie MFG) as they aren't exclusive to Jskis, I'm pretty sure Ninthward has used them before and if you wanted to build a run of skis, you'd only have to look them up and give them a call. I'd argue that it all comes down to marketing yourself as a superior product and the cost of utilizing a North American ski manufacturer and has a lot less to do with the materials in question.
PoikenzYou are both right and wrong as well though. It's super cheap to produce in China, but that has to do with production costs (cost of labour, electricity, etc.) and doesn't mean that the materials or labour are of a lesser quality
icedThe one encounter I have had with them is their "invisible" skis
what side of the bed did J wake up on that gave him the idea to make white skis
IsitWinterYet17So kind of along the topic of expensive skis, any idea why it's impossible to find ON3P kartel 98 or 108 skis for anything less than manufacturer prices, aka $700+? Also previous year models are non-existant online as brand new. For example Armada skis are expensive, but you can always find previous year models for a few hundred off.
Is this because ON3P only makes a small amount of skis (just enough to satisfy demand), therefore there is no surplus to discount? Or do people just really like these skis and places can charge that knowing they will always sell? Yes I know Armada is a bigger company, but just curious. What am I missing here?
IsitWinterYet17Lol ON3P offers white skis (green bases) in their customized ski section too. They would look sick but good luck finding them after a yard sale on a pow day haha
.lenconGood luck finding any ski on a pow day. You're not losing it cause of its color, you're losing it cause it's 3 feet deep out there. You can have a ski blacker than mommas burnt toast, but if it's 3 feet under snow you ain't gonna see shit.
