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4FRNT YLE for touring

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Gooskin
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I'm going to get a touring setup this summer (my first one), and I'm trying to figure out what skis to get. I don't want anything too wide, and from what I've heard camber is way better for touring than fully-rockered. I'd like a twin tip ski, and the YLE seems to be pretty good for a general pow ski..how would it work for touring?

I don't plan on going on any insane touring trips or anything like that, just looking to get out a lot next winter and tour so that I don't have to spend as much on lift tickets. (my location is Missoula, MT - hoping to go to the Crystal Amphitheater on Lolo Pass, etc)
May 2 2017 1:04PM
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Sharko
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You sure you want the YLE for touring? That's a lot of dead weight in the big fat tail to carry around. Unless you plan to ski switch all the way down I'd think you'd want something with a shorter narrower tail.
May 2 2017 1:07PM
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Gooskin
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SharkoYou sure you want the YLE for touring? That's a lot of dead weight in the big fat tail to carry around. Unless you plan to ski switch all the way down I'd think you'd want something with a shorter narrower tail.


I don't know I want the YLE, that's why I made this thread
May 2 2017 1:10PM
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patagonialuke
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Gooskinfrom what I've heard camber is way better for touring than fully-rockered.


I'd actually argue the opposite. If you're touring a lot you'll probably be encountering a lot of variable conditions, which I think is where rockered skis do well. There's a reason that all of Volkl's touring sticks are reverse camber, as are the 4FRNT Raven/Hoji/Renegade and Dynafit's freeride touring line. Not saying you have to go that way, I just wouldn't limit your search to skis with a lot of camber.

The YLE is pretty wide and heavy for a general purpose touring ski. Haven't skied them, but I'd take a look at the Moment Bibby Tour, Icelantic Nomad 105 Lite, and Moment Meridian Tour. Those are some of the few twins I can think of that are fairly light. You can always use a heavier ski, but if you think you'll be touring a decent amount in the future I think it's worth going for a bit of a lighter ski.
May 2 2017 4:06PM
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Swandog7
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patagonialukeI'd actually argue the opposite. If you're touring a lot you'll probably be encountering a lot of variable conditions, which I think is where rockered skis do well. There's a reason that all of Volkl's touring sticks are reverse camber, as are the 4FRNT Raven/Hoji/Renegade and Dynafit's freeride touring line. Not saying you have to go that way, I just wouldn't limit your search to skis with a lot of camber.

The YLE is pretty wide and heavy for a general purpose touring ski. Haven't skied them, but I'd take a look at the Moment Bibby Tour, Icelantic Nomad 105 Lite, and Moment Meridian Tour. Those are some of the few twins I can think of that are fairly light. You can always use a heavier ski, but if you think you'll be touring a decent amount in the future I think it's worth going for a bit of a lighter ski.


This. Id personally look at the Moment Meridian Tour (next years) or the Moment Bibby Tour. Something from 4frnt or ON3P would complete my top 3
May 2 2017 4:09PM
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patagonialuke
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Swandog7Something from 4frnt or ON3P would complete my top 3


If I ever find $1000 laying on the ground I'm immediately ordering a pair of custom Kartel 108 tours.
May 2 2017 4:13PM
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Swandog7
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patagonialukeIf I ever find $1000 laying on the ground I'm immediately ordering a pair of custom Kartel 108 tours.


If I ever find $1000 on the floor I'm going to get tested for HIV, then Id order a pair of on sale Vice's and Bibbys
May 2 2017 4:16PM
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Gooskin
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patagonialukeI'd actually argue the opposite. If you're touring a lot you'll probably be encountering a lot of variable conditions, which I think is where rockered skis do well. There's a reason that all of Volkl's touring sticks are reverse camber, as are the 4FRNT Raven/Hoji/Renegade and Dynafit's freeride touring line. Not saying you have to go that way, I just wouldn't limit your search to skis with a lot of camber.

The YLE is pretty wide and heavy for a general purpose touring ski. Haven't skied them, but I'd take a look at the Moment Bibby Tour, Icelantic Nomad 105 Lite, and Moment Meridian Tour. Those are some of the few twins I can think of that are fairly light. You can always use a heavier ski, but if you think you'll be touring a decent amount in the future I think it's worth going for a bit of a lighter ski.


If we are still talking 4FRNT, how would the KYE 120 be for touring? It seems pretty big and wide, but also seems a bit more applicable for touring than the YLE? I've thought about the Hoji as well, not sure why I'm asking so much about 4FRNT specifically.

I've looked into the Bibby Pro Tours, they would be sweet just quite expensive
May 2 2017 4:28PM
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patagonialuke
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GooskinIf we are still talking 4FRNT, how would the KYE 120 be for touring? It seems pretty big and wide, but also seems a bit more applicable for touring than the YLE? I've thought about the Hoji as well, not sure why I'm asking so much about 4FRNT specifically.

I've looked into the Bibby Pro Tours, they would be sweet just quite expensive


I don't know anyone that's had personal experience on them, but both skis definitely have more tour-friendly weights, but are more directional than the YLE's. I've enjoyed using reverse camber skis for my touring setup (Dynafit Chugach in my case) as they can be playful but also edge fairly well, especially if conditions are at all soft. Hopefully some people that have used the Hojis and Kye's can chime in.
May 2 2017 4:43PM
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Gooskin
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patagonialukeI don't know anyone that's had personal experience on them, but both skis definitely have more tour-friendly weights, but are more directional than the YLE's. I've enjoyed using reverse camber skis for my touring setup (Dynafit Chugach in my case) as they can be playful but also edge fairly well, especially if conditions are at all soft. Hopefully some people that have used the Hojis and Kye's can chime in.


Would the KYE 110 be better? I like the idea of the 120 a lot better with the higher tail but my friend is telling me 120 is too wide for touring
May 2 2017 4:53PM
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patagonialuke
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GooskinWould the KYE 110 be better? I like the idea of the 120 a lot better with the higher tail but my friend is telling me 120 is too wide for touring


This is mostly just from what I remember hearing when they updated the series, but I think the 110 is stiffer, it's marketed as their big mountain ski, and like you said, has a more directional rocker profile. I personally wouldn't want a 120 ski as my daily driver. I'd probably only do it if you're only touring for powder. Unfortunately I'm not super familiar with the series, so I'm not much help.
May 2 2017 5:01PM
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Sharko
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Swandog7If I ever find $1000 on the floor I'm going to get tested for HIV, then Id order a pair of on sale Vice's and Bibbys


Are you saying that you really need and HIV test but haven't been able to afford it? If you are 25 or under, the CDC recommends you get tested for HIV every year.

... the more you know
May 2 2017 6:43PM
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Swandog7
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SharkoAre you saying that you really need and HIV test but haven't been able to afford it? If you are 25 or under, the CDC recommends you get tested for HIV every year.

... the more you know


Haha it was a joke, no one has ever given me HIV other than myself
May 2 2017 8:58PM
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.lencon
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The YLE would be a great touring ski. Light for its size, super fun, and handles everything super well.. one of the most versatile skis I've been on.

Ive thought about picking up another pair for a tour ski for some time now.
May 3 2017 2:41AM
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Gooskin
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.lenconThe YLE would be a great touring ski. Light for its size, super fun, and handles everything super well.. one of the most versatile skis I've been on.

Ive thought about picking up another pair for a tour ski for some time now.


Really? Do you know how it would compare to the kye 120?
May 3 2017 1:01PM
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Sharko
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.lenconThe YLE would be a great touring ski. Light for its size, super fun, and handles everything super well.. one of the most versatile skis I've been on.

Ive thought about picking up another pair for a tour ski for some time now.


Haven't skied it myself, so I don't know, but I am very skeptical that a 120mm waist symmetrical ski is that versatile. With all that tail I can't imagine that other skis aren't faster and quicker turning, and claimed weight 2267 grams for the 177cm length is not light at all. But like I said, I don't know how it actually feel underfoot since I haven't been on it.
May 3 2017 1:20PM
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.lencon
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SharkoHaven't skied it myself, so I don't know, but I am very skeptical that a 120mm waist symmetrical ski is that versatile. With all that tail I can't imagine that other skis aren't faster and quicker turning, and claimed weight 2267 grams for the 177cm length is not light at all. But like I said, I don't know how it actually feel underfoot since I haven't been on it.


They were pretty light for the size. At least I thought so. Get on a pair, you'd be surprised. Honestly the most versatile ski Ive probably been on.. either that or the K106. Symmetrical dimensions, but no symmetrical sidecut/flex, which helps a lot
May 3 2017 1:27PM
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.lencon
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GooskinReally? Do you know how it would compare to the kye 120?


I haven't skied the 120, but i know quite a few people tour on them.
May 3 2017 1:28PM
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