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brotoVishnu exceeds the hype, get ur parents credit cards ready kiddos
1210020121I did just that
VISHNUWe definitely have hype building but I assure you we are the real deal
holdenmonkeyhonest question tho - where r the wets made? do you guys have a factory in slc? was is it difficult initally affording all the production equipment if y'all make them yourselves? would love to see ur setup
holdenmonkeyhonest question tho - where r the wets made? do you guys have a factory in slc? was is it difficult initally affording all the production equipment if y'all make them yourselves? would love to see ur setup
sneekThey're made in china, which puts a lot of people off, but they're insanely durable. I have lots of homies riding for them and they have all been beating on them relentlessly and they're holding up great. Definitely hop on the vishnu train kids, it's the new wave for sure. Great people, great skis, great company.
Lilwalshie33Do you think they could last 3-5 years if I only ski 10x a year?
casualI mean....yes, they are the new brand that overly brand conscious people are turning to to feel like they're more core and in the know than other people standing in lift lines.
But, I mean, what about a company like On3P? They've actually established themselves over several seasons as a top notch, high quality newschool brand that was born on this very website. They began in a guy's garage and we watched him build his first ski press and grow through mistakes only to take his dream to a crazy level and slowly build based on word of mouth and the obvious quality as well as unmatched customer service.
It's just so funny to me that people jump aboard these brand new companies that overnight establish a team and a "vibe" and people want to align with a certain aesthetic so badly that they'll lap it up. Vishnu and many others have basically established themselves as marketing companies and lifestyle brands that happen to sell skis.
And to be crystal clear: I hope Vishnu builds rock solid and amazing skis. I've never ridden them and have no clue as to how durable they are. I want Vishnu to be successful, I love seeing small companies with roots in this niche of skiing emerge and eat up market share and support rad content, etc.
My fear and cynicism come from the seeming reality that the model lately has been to focus on the team, the logo, the feel of edits, and the branding so much more than on the materials, build quality, distribution channels, the customer service aspect, and design innovation. There's just so many recent examples of companies coming in and swiping up the sales of solid, reliable, amazing companies by sheer virtue of presenting the "newest of the new and the corest of the core" with really nothing to offer anyone or the sport that it bums me out.
It sort of feels like an extension of some of the more lame, vain, painstakingly image conscious aspects of the sport that I personally think are stupid and meaningless.
Again, I wish Vishnu well, hope they really step up and put out a bomber and awesome line up of skis that they are truly passionate about, and that organically over the next couple of years they build a loyal and rabid fan base. On the other hand, if they just are basically a marketing company that has teamed up with some shitty manufacturing process and are trying to carve out a spot based on pure fluff and bullshit, I hope they crash and burn.
TL;DR - don't get caught up in undeserved hype generated by a fly by night company that puts out a couple of artsy edits and rides a trendy wave to exploit the vanity laden and belonging seeking ski community. And definitely don't do it at the sacrifice of incredible brands whose "corest of the core" sheen has worn off in 2 years. Do you research and due diligence and don't support shitty exploitative companies.
I'm also not saying that is what Vishnu is doing, I know very little about them and if they are a good group and love skiing and seek to make an amazing quality ski, I hope they're more successful than they ever dreamed.
sneekyes, undoubtedly yes.
casualI mean....yes, they are the new brand that overly brand conscious people are turning to to feel like they're more core and in the know than other people standing in lift lines.
But, I mean, what about a company like On3P? They've actually established themselves over several seasons as a top notch, high quality newschool brand that was born on this very website. They began in a guy's garage and we watched him build his first ski press and grow through mistakes only to take his dream to a crazy level and slowly build based on word of mouth and the obvious quality as well as unmatched customer service.
It's just so funny to me that people jump aboard these brand new companies that overnight establish a team and a "vibe" and people want to align with a certain aesthetic so badly that they'll lap it up. Vishnu and many others have basically established themselves as marketing companies and lifestyle brands that happen to sell skis.
And to be crystal clear: I hope Vishnu builds rock solid and amazing skis. I've never ridden them and have no clue as to how durable they are. I want Vishnu to be successful, I love seeing small companies with roots in this niche of skiing emerge and eat up market share and support rad content, etc.
My fear and cynicism come from the seeming reality that the model lately has been to focus on the team, the logo, the feel of edits, and the branding so much more than on the materials, build quality, distribution channels, the customer service aspect, and design innovation. There's just so many recent examples of companies coming in and swiping up the sales of solid, reliable, amazing companies by sheer virtue of presenting the "newest of the new and the corest of the core" with really nothing to offer anyone or the sport that it bums me out.
It sort of feels like an extension of some of the more lame, vain, painstakingly image conscious aspects of the sport that I personally think are stupid and meaningless.
Again, I wish Vishnu well, hope they really step up and put out a bomber and awesome line up of skis that they are truly passionate about, and that organically over the next couple of years they build a loyal and rabid fan base. On the other hand, if they just are basically a marketing company that has teamed up with some shitty manufacturing process and are trying to carve out a spot based on pure fluff and bullshit, I hope they crash and burn.
TL;DR - don't get caught up in undeserved hype generated by a fly by night company that puts out a couple of artsy edits and rides a trendy wave to exploit the vanity laden and belonging seeking ski community. And definitely don't do it at the sacrifice of incredible brands whose "corest of the core" sheen has worn off in 2 years. Do you research and due diligence and don't support shitty exploitative companies.
I'm also not saying that is what Vishnu is doing, I know very little about them and if they are a good group and love skiing and seek to make an amazing quality ski, I hope they're more successful than they ever dreamed.
VISHNUWe definitely have hype building but I assure you we are the real deal
casualI mean....yes, they are the new brand that overly brand conscious people are turning to to feel like they're more core and in the know than other people standing in lift lines.
But, I mean, what about a company like On3P? They've actually established themselves over several seasons as a top notch, high quality newschool brand that was born on this very website. They began in a guy's garage and we watched him build his first ski press and grow through mistakes only to take his dream to a crazy level and slowly build based on word of mouth and the obvious quality as well as unmatched customer service.
It's just so funny to me that people jump aboard these brand new companies that overnight establish a team and a "vibe" and people want to align with a certain aesthetic so badly that they'll lap it up. Vishnu and many others have basically established themselves as marketing companies and lifestyle brands that happen to sell skis.
And to be crystal clear: I hope Vishnu builds rock solid and amazing skis. I've never ridden them and have no clue as to how durable they are. I want Vishnu to be successful, I love seeing small companies with roots in this niche of skiing emerge and eat up market share and support rad content, etc.
My fear and cynicism come from the seeming reality that the model lately has been to focus on the team, the logo, the feel of edits, and the branding so much more than on the materials, build quality, distribution channels, the customer service aspect, and design innovation. There's just so many recent examples of companies coming in and swiping up the sales of solid, reliable, amazing companies by sheer virtue of presenting the "newest of the new and the corest of the core" with really nothing to offer anyone or the sport that it bums me out.
It sort of feels like an extension of some of the more lame, vain, painstakingly image conscious aspects of the sport that I personally think are stupid and meaningless.
Again, I wish Vishnu well, hope they really step up and put out a bomber and awesome line up of skis that they are truly passionate about, and that organically over the next couple of years they build a loyal and rabid fan base. On the other hand, if they just are basically a marketing company that has teamed up with some shitty manufacturing process and are trying to carve out a spot based on pure fluff and bullshit, I hope they crash and burn.
TL;DR - don't get caught up in undeserved hype generated by a fly by night company that puts out a couple of artsy edits and rides a trendy wave to exploit the vanity laden and belonging seeking ski community. And definitely don't do it at the sacrifice of incredible brands whose "corest of the core" sheen has worn off in 2 years. Do you research and due diligence and don't support shitty exploitative companies.
I'm also not saying that is what Vishnu is doing, I know very little about them and if they are a good group and love skiing and seek to make an amazing quality ski, I hope they're more successful than they ever dreamed.
casualBut, I mean, what about a company like On3P?
It's just so funny to me that people jump aboard these brand new companies that overnight establish a team and a "vibe" and people want to align with a certain aesthetic so badly that they'll lap it up. Vishnu and many others have basically established themselves as marketing companies and lifestyle brands that happen to sell skis.
My fear and cynicism come from the seeming reality that the model lately has been to focus on the team, the logo, the feel of edits, and the branding so much more than on the materials, build quality, distribution channels, the customer service aspect, and design innovation
ThaLetterM.Hello, I am a co-founder of Vishnu. Allow me to answer a few questions in this thread:
When we first started, our skis were made in salt lake. Due to wanting to actually make money and have our brand continue to grow, they are now made in China by a group of American engineers. This helps us in a multitude of ways: the fact that they are American helps us bypass the language barrier that leads to Revision type situations, and it makes it so that we can offer you a sub 500 dollar pair of skis while still remaining in business. If I had 500k to start my own legit factory, I would do so. Maybe some day. Regardless, the skis are an original design by us, a group of people who have all been skiing for 15+ years and have a specific idea of what kind of ski is best for the way we ride.
As far as durability, the majority of our team members use one pair of skis a year, and all of them hit street/ride on concrete/try to break their skis on purpose. I have to be realistic here: all skis break, particularly when you smash them on metal. Ours, however, tend to last longer than most. I have been riding mine for two seasons now, just for reference.
The reason that shipping was 50 dollars (it won't be anymore) is because I personally wrap and tape the skis in boxes myself in my dirty ass basement, then drive them to fed ex a half hour away to send you them. I figured out a better system, so shipping should be included in the price of our next presale(hopefully)
Ultimately, the goal of this brand is to provide skier kids an affordable, durable, unique park and street ski from people that are just as obsessed with skiing as they are. Even if we hadn't started this company, we would still be skiing and filming and hitting street because it's what we love. Check my post history and video history for proof of that, I joined NS in 2005 and have a decade of videos to show for it.
At any rate, thanks for the interest, presale should be launching within the month, and with your order, as a show of good faith, I plan on sending an advance copy of our new video Harvest. I have to go to my day job now, bye bye
ThaLetterM.Hello, I am a co-founder of Vishnu. Allow me to answer a few questions in this thread:
When we first started, our skis were made in salt lake. Due to wanting to actually make money and have our brand continue to grow, they are now made in China by a group of American engineers. This helps us in a multitude of ways: the fact that they are American helps us bypass the language barrier that leads to Revision type situations, and it makes it so that we can offer you a sub 500 dollar pair of skis while still remaining in business. If I had 500k to start my own legit factory, I would do so. Maybe some day. Regardless, the skis are an original design by us, a group of people who have all been skiing for 15+ years and have a specific idea of what kind of ski is best for the way we ride.
As far as durability, the majority of our team members use one pair of skis a year, and all of them hit street/ride on concrete/try to break their skis on purpose. I have to be realistic here: all skis break, particularly when you smash them on metal. Ours, however, tend to last longer than most. I have been riding mine for two seasons now, just for reference.
The reason that shipping was 50 dollars (it won't be anymore) is because I personally wrap and tape the skis in boxes myself in my dirty ass basement, then drive them to fed ex a half hour away to send you them. I figured out a better system, so shipping should be included in the price of our next presale(hopefully)
Ultimately, the goal of this brand is to provide skier kids an affordable, durable, unique park and street ski from people that are just as obsessed with skiing as they are. Even if we hadn't started this company, we would still be skiing and filming and hitting street because it's what we love. Check my post history and video history for proof of that, I joined NS in 2005 and have a decade of videos to show for it.
At any rate, thanks for the interest, presale should be launching within the month, and with your order, as a show of good faith, I plan on sending an advance copy of our new video Harvest. I have to go to my day job now, bye bye
-Danseriously great post. Everyone should read. Besides the assumption that people who want to support Vishnu care how they compare to people in the lift line every thing said is important to consider.
Its super nice to have stuff like this discussed on the site so we all can start to be aware of how we are spending our money.
casualI mean....yes, they are the new brand that overly brand conscious people are turning to to feel like they're more core and in the know than other people standing in lift lines.
But, I mean, what about a company like On3P? They've actually established themselves over several seasons as a top notch, high quality newschool brand that was born on this very website. They began in a guy's garage and we watched him build his first ski press and grow through mistakes only to take his dream to a crazy level and slowly build based on word of mouth and the obvious quality as well as unmatched customer service.
It's just so funny to me that people jump aboard these brand new companies that overnight establish a team and a "vibe" and people want to align with a certain aesthetic so badly that they'll lap it up. Vishnu and many others have basically established themselves as marketing companies and lifestyle brands that happen to sell skis.
And to be crystal clear: I hope Vishnu builds rock solid and amazing skis. I've never ridden them and have no clue as to how durable they are. I want Vishnu to be successful, I love seeing small companies with roots in this niche of skiing emerge and eat up market share and support rad content, etc.
My fear and cynicism come from the seeming reality that the model lately has been to focus on the team, the logo, the feel of edits, and the branding so much more than on the materials, build quality, distribution channels, the customer service aspect, and design innovation. There's just so many recent examples of companies coming in and swiping up the sales of solid, reliable, amazing companies by sheer virtue of presenting the "newest of the new and the corest of the core" with really nothing to offer anyone or the sport that it bums me out.
It sort of feels like an extension of some of the more lame, vain, painstakingly image conscious aspects of the sport that I personally think are stupid and meaningless.
Again, I wish Vishnu well, hope they really step up and put out a bomber and awesome line up of skis that they are truly passionate about, and that organically over the next couple of years they build a loyal and rabid fan base. On the other hand, if they just are basically a marketing company that has teamed up with some shitty manufacturing process and are trying to carve out a spot based on pure fluff and bullshit, I hope they crash and burn.
TL;DR - don't get caught up in undeserved hype generated by a fly by night company that puts out a couple of artsy edits and rides a trendy wave to exploit the vanity laden and belonging seeking ski community. And definitely don't do it at the sacrifice of incredible brands whose "corest of the core" sheen has worn off in 2 years. Do you research and due diligence and don't support shitty exploitative companies.
I'm also not saying that is what Vishnu is doing, I know very little about them and if they are a good group and love skiing and seek to make an amazing quality ski, I hope they're more successful than they ever dreamed.
SharkoSo, you're a Vishnu co-founder and neither your profile nor your pics nor your videos on NS ever mention it, and you've never posted about it until now? You are either a liar or your are missing a golden opportunity to promote your product.
Assuming you are the real deal, your post kinda touched my heart. I wasn't in the market for park skis, but I kinda want to buy them now.
Park_RangerI agree that it is odd that this dude just comes out of no where as a co-owner of the company. However, if you go to the Vimeo that he has in his profile, you will find all the Joint Pain edits and edits of a bunch of Vishnu team riders. Based on that, it is plausible that he is associated in one fashion or another.
treebeardwhy the need to bring up On3P? they're completely different business models. Vishnu isn't trying to be the next big company making a multitude of different types of skis. they found a niche market, and are killing it in that one specific area.
your fear is justified on the back of fiascoes like Revision, CoreUPT, and so on, but the reason Vishnu has managed to make themselves successful so quickly is mostly to do with the fact that they do, in fact, make incredibly durable and innovative skis. have you heard a bad word about their skis from anyone? is any big company making a strictly urban-focused ski? it might not be innovation in the sense of making some crazy new shape, but it's still innovation
I know you're not hating. I don't want this to come across as me calling you out, because I'm not. But I think it needs to be said that Vishnu actually do make a very durable, quality ski, which is more than could be said about a ton of other companies out there. And who cares what factory it's made in? If it's made in Salt Lake and falls apart after a season, congrats you got a shitty local ski. If it's made in China and lasts for 3 years and survives getting run over by a car at 60mph (yes, that has happened), thats cool too
casualGreat points overall, and for the record, no, I have never heard a bad word about Vishnu skis at all. I can't say I've encountered too many pairs at this point, but the point is still salient.
I do though think the on3p comparison is valid even if they are trying to appeal to a broader market. The comparison hinged on the sexiness and sheen of new companies and the inherent appeal to a lot of people to be early adopters and to align themselves with new and "core" brands/things.
I wish them well, and if they do a demo day at Loveland, I will say hello and try em out.
And to dan, that comment was probably a little overly shitty, but I do think we as people in general, and particularly skiers very in tune with the ebb and flow of trends and new brands etc., do consciously and unconsciously concern themselves with how they stack up against others and how they will be perceived. Not necessarily a negative thing, but the larger point was just that there's a cycle of skiers supporting things that don't deserve it because of an image it conveys.
Again, not saying that's the case with Vishnu at all, it's more just something I've noticed and ymmv.
SharkoSo, you're a Vishnu co-founder and neither your profile nor your pics nor your videos on NS ever mention it, and you've never posted about it until now? You are either a liar or your are missing a golden opportunity to promote your product.
Assuming you are the real deal, your post kinda touched my heart. I wasn't in the market for park skis, but I kinda want to buy them now.
ThaLetterM.I stopped posting on this account after I tore my ACL in 2012 and had an "I don't want to ski anymore" crisis. Then I realized I was being ridiculous and we started Vishnu and here we are
Park_RangerI feel that your view and opinion on things has matured. My guess is that you learned a lot from the Revision implosion and seeing your friends (sponsored and not sponsored) as well as countless kids get fucked over.
ThaLetterM.Hello, I am a co-founder of Vishnu. Allow me to answer a few questions in this thread:
When we first started, our skis were made in salt lake. Due to wanting to actually make money and have our brand continue to grow, they are now made in China by a group of American engineers. This helps us in a multitude of ways: the fact that they are American helps us bypass the language barrier that leads to Revision type situations, and it makes it so that we can offer you a sub 500 dollar pair of skis while still remaining in business. If I had 500k to start my own legit factory, I would do so. Maybe some day. Regardless, the skis are an original design by us, a group of people who have all been skiing for 15+ years and have a specific idea of what kind of ski is best for the way we ride.
As far as durability, the majority of our team members use one pair of skis a year, and all of them hit street/ride on concrete/try to break their skis on purpose. I have to be realistic here: all skis break, particularly when you smash them on metal. Ours, however, tend to last longer than most. I have been riding mine for two seasons now, just for reference.
The reason that shipping was 50 dollars (it won't be anymore) is because I personally wrap and tape the skis in boxes myself in my dirty ass basement, then drive them to fed ex a half hour away to send you them. I figured out a better system, so shipping should be included in the price of our next presale(hopefully)
Ultimately, the goal of this brand is to provide skier kids an affordable, durable, unique park and street ski from people that are just as obsessed with skiing as they are. Even if we hadn't started this company, we would still be skiing and filming and hitting street because it's what we love. Check my post history and video history for proof of that, I joined NS in 2005 and have a decade of videos to show for it.
At any rate, thanks for the interest, presale should be launching within the month, and with your order, as a show of good faith, I plan on sending an advance copy of our new video Harvest. I have to go to my day job now, bye bye
DeepskierJust out of curiosity whats the construction like? I know its durable and poplar(?) but how are they so soft and still functional? Lots of VDS and rocker?
VISHNUbamboo and poplar, they are actually not as "soft" than they look. They're more like rubber bands, not so much noodles. It has more to do with the thickness of the ski itself as it progressively moves toward the contact point, but not so thin that they snap (NONE HAVE EVER). At the risk of disclosing too much, lets just say the plug is fire...
VISHNUbamboo and poplar, they are actually not as "soft" than they look. They're more like rubber bands, not so much noodles. It has more to do with the thickness of the ski itself as it progressively moves toward the contact point, but not so thin that they snap (NONE HAVE EVER). At the risk of disclosing too much, lets just say the plug is fire...
VISHNUthey are actually not as "soft" than they look. ...
SharkoFrom your website: "WET features a symmetrical shape, camber underfoot, tip and tail rocker, with the softest flex on the market."
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