No love for Full Tilt?

Maybe they are buying boots that actually fit their feet and arent made by fischer price.

Please just spell wear properly.

Because quality (sometimes) trumps marketing?

Full tilts suck

Hard to blame them, Dalbello makes a solid boot.
I've been using a 1st Generation Il Moro (the ones with the ratcheting upper buckle) since it was released, and it just wore out on me within the last 2 seasons. Now the teeth on the ratchet are too worn to tighten past a certain point and the liner is past packed out, but it served me well for 10 seasons.
To me, the Dalbello 3 piece boots seem very similar in design and fit to the Full Tilts, I think people who like either boot will probably like both. In hand, the Dalbellos seem more durable, but the Full Tilts feel lighter, so maybe it depends on your priorities.

I have a new pair of Il Moros and a pair of First Chair 10s in the mail, plan to A/B them and see if either one is a good match for me for next year. When buying them I did notice that the cost seems to have changed a great deal. Maybe it is because it's late season and prices are changing, but I remember Full Tilts being cheaper and I distinctly remembering paying $600 for my Il Moros in DC in 2006. This time around Dalbellos were available in the $400 range, but Full Tilts were upwards of $500. I might not be comfortable paying more for the less durable boot.

Your mileage may vary.

I don't get why people ski anything besides park with full tilts. To soft in my opinion

i broke a pair within a season and couldnt afford another pair of their low quality boots. they get way to soft to fast

mr-mcsteezei broke a pair within a season and couldnt afford another pair of their low quality boots. they get way to soft to fast

yeah, but Tom Wallisch

Park_Rangeryeah, but Tom Wallisch

he isnt paying for my boots but if he sees this and he wants to send me some send me that PM Todd Walnuts

FISCHER>>>>>>>>any other boot company.

lukromSo recently, the good park skiers in my home park have stopped wairing Full Tilts and are wairing dalbellos or nordicas. Why has this happened is it this happening at your hill.

Nordica is hands down most comfortable out of all boots I've ever owned.

Dalbello Boss with intuition= Sweet ride.

DeepskierFISCHER>>>>>>>>any other boot company.

yes there is other boot brand this is because of a thing called free market economy

I owned a pair of drop kicks, and made the switch to nordica ace. Best decision of my life, more comfortable.

lukromyes there is other boot brand this is because of a thing called free market economy

Ok what is the point of you saying this?

Full Tilt hasn't really done anything remarkable with their line of boots. A lot of them are still on the same or mildly adjusted molds that Raichle made over 2 decades ago. They are pretty bad ass looking, but looks aren't that important when it comes to ski boots.

SessionMaybe they are buying boots that actually fit their feet and arent made by fischer price.

I my mind most kids buy FT as an impulse decision and thats why they end up hating them along the road.

Nickc88I my mind most kids buy FT as an impulse decision and thats why they end up hating them along the road.

Not gonna lie, that was me

they are comfortable and light so i don't see the hate unless they aren't your style boot

madrithey are comfortable and light so i don't see the hate unless they aren't your style boot

the material that is used to make them is really low quality so they have a tendency to be crap a good portion of the time

Mitch_7495Dalbello Boss with intuition= Sweet ride.

Dalbello Boss I've had for 3 seasons now and they're still going strong!

I bought full tilt classics before the season started and really wish I had bought dalbellos about 3 weeks in

Just holding a pair of FT's in your hands you can feel how cheap they are. Thin plastic and brittle hardware is the composition of this gem. They can argue that all this allows for a super light boot.

A light boot is great for park, but not at the expense of durability. I hammer my boots. Even some shops i've talked to say the only reason they sell FT is because kids insist on shelling out the money for them.

Fit/comfort > durability > weight

I am in no way a fan of having 'pro models', its kinda embarrassing... but I have had the twallisch ft's for 2 seasons and they are amazing. But on that note, they are kinda starting to get a lil packed out

As a bootfitter, I hate the fact that we stock Full Tilts. I never try them on people unless they are a one vacation a year skier.

I'm glad more park skiers are actually getting fitted for boots. There is no such thing as a "park boot" just get a boot that fits you properly and is in the correct flex range. Yes there are boots with features like rubber boot boards etc that are more geared towards the park, but none of that matters if the boot doesn't fit.

Got fitted for Full Tilts in a shop and Ride them hard 70+ days a season and have never had any issues that would stop me from buying another pair.

If they fit, they fit. if they don't, ride a boot that fits better.

Since my first gen Il Moros (purchased 2007 I think?) are wearing out, I tried a pair of new Il Moros and a pair of Full Tilt First Chair 10s yesterday, along with re-trying my old Il Moro.
Since this seems relevant to this thread, here are my observations:

For perspective, was fitted for old Il Moro by a boot fitter in '07(?) because I could not get any overlap boot to hold my heel down at all.

The Full Tilts are super light, plastic is thinner and softer than on the Dalbello boots. This gives me doubts about durability. The flex on the 10 tongue was about the same on my old Il Moro which is billed as 120, but flexing the boot was more comfortable as it distributed the pressure on my shin more evenly. My heel was pretty well locked in, not perfect, there was a little play, but it was about the same as my old Il Moro. There was more room in the toe than on the old Il Moro, but it was not optimal for me.

The new Il Moro was very heavy and very bulky. The cuff is considerably taller than on my old pair, and the pair weighed a full pound more on my scale. The taller cuff made my calf cramp after walking a few steps. It has a traditional upper cuff like an overlap boot and I did not like this. One of the best features on my old Il Moro is the single large buckle that holds the tongue to the shin and distributes pressure well (though not quite as well as the full tilt), but on this new version, there is a thin overlapping piece of plastic under the buckle and over the tongue, so, the buckle distributes all the force right onto this thin strip of plastic, creating a pressure point on my mid shin. This hurt when I flexed the boot, but also this 120 flex feels a lot stiffer than my old 120 flex Il Moro, I am almost unable to flex it at all. My heel was locked in perfectly, no play at all. There was plenty of room in the toe.

Both the new Il Moro and the Full Tilt had a hot spot over my left 5th metatarsal that isn't present on my old Il Moro. I first attributed this difference to the fact that these liners weren't heat molded yet. But the hot spot persisted even when I tried them on with my old heat molded liners, and the reverse was also true: putting the full tilt liners into the old il moro did not produce the hot spot.

TL,DR:

Heel hold: Il Moro 2017 > il moro 2007 > full tilt
Toe room: Il Moro 2017 > full tilt >>>>> Il Moro 2007
Upper cuff comfort: full tilt > Il moro 2007 > Il moro 2017
Flex (for me): Full tilt > Il Moro 2007 > Il Moro 2017
Apparent build quality: Il Moro 2017 > Il Moro 2
weight: fult tilt > il moro 2007 > il moro 2017

The bottom line is that I liked the full tilt more than I expected when I saw it up close, if it were a better fit for me I think I would choose this boot.
I didn't like the changes that Dalbello made to the Il Moro, even though it had some selling points like excellent heel hold, I just didn't like the extra bulk and weight on my feet, especially the way that weight felt focused right on my shin, I liked my old ones more.

Will have to seek out a boot fitter to explore other options.