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Religion, skiing, and why side jumpers go to hell

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theabortionator
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So I keep seeing a lot of stuff on hear defending side jumping.

"There's no right or wrong way to use the park as long as you're having fun" type of mentality. The park is about having fun but there are def do's and don'ts. For instance, the kids climbing on the jumps, and standing on the landings in blinds spots are having plenty of fun. You would never tell them that it's totally fine as long as they're having fun.

Side jumping for the most part you're a lot less likely to get killed doing, but it's still not something that should be defended/promoted.

In terms of parks, I think that most places generally don't hassle anyone about side jumping the smaller parks. Sure it messes up the takeoffs, but if they aren't snaking people let them have their fun.

The problem really lies in the bigger parks where most of these people should never be. I've seen a ton of stuff on here the last year defending it. "Side jumping doesn't ruin takeoffs" etc.

Anyway that's not true. Side jumping definitely kills takeoffs. No better time to notice that then the spring. A spring day can turn a whole set of rail take offs to sketchy moguls or berms. The reason why they don't disappear entirely is that people are constantly fixing them.

I get it. Everyone started off as a noob, everyone did dumb stuff when they were learning. Instead of embracing that, we should encourage people to learn how to use the parks safely.

Jesus says side jumpers go to hell.
Mar 14 2017 3:53PM
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theabortionator
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Nobody will read that but figured I would mention it.



Sparknotes: Side jumping in the small parks is fine, side jumping in the bigger parks isn't chill. And side jumping definitely destroys rail takeoffs.
Mar 14 2017 3:55PM
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.zoidberg
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I remember getting yelled at by a bunch if 10 year olds at loon because i side jumped on a dfd that none of them would even hit.
Mar 14 2017 4:50PM
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Holte
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Almost all parks are glorified blue runs at best, which are always going to be tough to keep clear of beginners. There are 3 tried and true solutions.

The 2005 solution: be a dick to everyone until they leave crying and don't come back.
The 2010 solution: park passes.
The 2015 solution: stop caring, and let the gapers do whatever they want.

I'm a fan of park passes, but they're not always effective. So I propose we build all big parks at the bottom of a 30 foot mandatory drop. Or maybe a mandatory urban closeout rail. Or a mandatory gap jump over a crocodile pit.
Mar 14 2017 5:08PM
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SKIU4EA
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gaper bindings with a proximity device to automatically double eject the skier when they approach said feature.

im mostly kidding or am i. Put them on all rental equipment. and have a setting to adjust as they improve.
Mar 14 2017 5:26PM
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ZeMagnificentKev
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Agreed, something needs to be done. Where did all the snowboarders/skateboarders go who didn't give no fucks and will hassle anyone and everyone? The guys that make skateparks a hostile environment for any non-skater's need to come back, cause I swear things are getting more relaxed, which is good and bad like everything I suppose but I've only seen bad. Fucking motherfuckers sitting on a god damn rail and smoking a dart?! ITS NOT A FUCKING BENCH. Dads and their kids in race skies blocking an xl feature in the fucking outback checking it out likes its a god damn chute line their thinking of hitting but never, ever, ever will because holy shit dude you or your child will injure themselves for sure. For sure you're never gonna stop people altogether, but god dammit they need to smarten up about this shit. We need bigger, dumber and bolder signs for these troglodytes. Park crew at the top maybe, stopping the clearly noobs and explaining some basic rules to them. Anything.
Mar 14 2017 5:40PM
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SofaKingSick
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Here's my problem with this: tranny finding is sick as hell. Why is that okay but a gaper finding sweet flats isn't? I miss landings all the time!
Mar 14 2017 5:51PM
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bait
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I side jump but only if I'm gaping tranny.

Idiots in the park have always been and always be a problem. Just last weekend I had to talk to a parent about putting their child and myself in danger and they claimed: Its fine, we aren't leaving. Next time i'm yelling at their four year old till the parent thinks the park is a lawless jungle where children get landed on.
Mar 14 2017 6:08PM
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SKRockies
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SO, we have the exact same problem at my hometown hill because its in the middle of the city people tend to bring their kids for a day who wander into the park, roll over the rail lips and crawl up the jumps, i yell at all the ones i can but heres the other side to this issue: like my hill many hills cant keep going simply by park rats alone, and a sad fact is that there will always be more gapers on the hills than there are people who are good because skiing takes time to learn and not everyone is gonna commit to learning an expensive sport. Thats where our main problem comes; gapers keep hills open more than our little park rat squads ever can or ever will and so we can yell at them all day, threaten to get ski patrol to send them out of the park or take their passes, but they will always come back because they take up the majority of the skiing population on hills. My only solution is for each hill to have a specific park pass which you must have in order to get into the park with. EIther charge money for the pass which still wont get rid of all the gapers OR have each person take some sort of test to prove they understand how to behave in the park, etiquette and all, Which also wont get rid of all the gapers and STILL takes way too much time to set up. This is a problem park skiing has had since the beginning of time and wil never go away unless hills are willing to give up revenue to keep their parks in slightly better shape. Which will never happen.
Mar 14 2017 6:26PM
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eheath
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I noticed you're a basement dweller now. Nice.
Mar 14 2017 6:31PM
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Mr.Bishop
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baitNext time i'm yelling at their four year old till the parent thinks the park is a lawless jungle where children get landed on.


I mean it isn't a lawless jungle, there's rules. Children definitely get landed on though, its simple logic like why you don't let your 4 year old ride their fucking tricycle on a 16 lane highway.

Sure there's rules to the highway, but it doesn't mean its safe for kids.

Sadly, yelling and scaring the parents is usually the only way to do it.
Mar 14 2017 6:39PM
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theabortionator
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SofaKingSickHere's my problem with this: tranny finding is sick as hell. Why is that okay but a gaper finding sweet flats isn't? I miss landings all the time!


I mean if you have a cool line through a section whatever but if youre side jumping every feature to "tranny find" you're a gaper.
Mar 14 2017 6:39PM
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theabortionator
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eheathI noticed you're a basement dweller now. Nice.


I'll catch up to you one day. One day

Mr.BishopI mean it isn't a lawless jungle, there's rules. Children definitely get landed on though, its simple logic like why you don't let your 4 year old ride their fucking tricycle on a 16 lane highway.

Sure there's rules to the highway, but it doesn't mean its safe for kids.

Sadly, yelling and scaring the parents is usually the only way to do it.



For sure. I had a ski instructor try to explain that it was okay for his kids to have a picnic centered in the landing because we werent having a major comp on the XL jump line. When you have to explain that this is literrally how people get seriously injured or killed.

Fuck. During x games my friend was dyeing a knuckle and one of the riders decided to air it full speed while course was closed. They had a nasty slam. He made it out alright, they ended up pulling out of the comp.

But really goes to show how easily things go to hit when people dont pay attention.
Mar 14 2017 6:50PM
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DominatorJacques
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Let it go. Stop crying. It happens.
Is this a side jump, or what? Some say it's a transition jump.
Maybe it depends on who it is what you call it?
https://www.facebook.com/spriggsbumba/videos/10155116476253035/?hc_ref=SEARCH
Mar 14 2017 8:17PM
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theabortionator
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DominatorJacquesLet it go. Stop crying. It happens.
Is this a side jump, or what? Some say it's a transition jump.
Maybe it depends on who it is what you call it?
https://www.facebook.com/spriggsbumba/videos/10155116476253035/?hc_ref=SEARCH

Im not crying i made a simple point regarding a ton of posts on here. Also ths clearly isn't a "depends on what you call it" situation.

And your link didnt work
Mar 14 2017 10:05PM
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DominatorJacques
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theabortionatorIm not crying i made a simple point regarding a ton of posts on here. Also ths clearly isn't a "depends on what you call it" situation.

And your link didnt work


Yea, no worries. FB link. Maybe only likers or friends. Don't take things personal.
Folks gonna' do it, so don't let it bother you too much.
Mar 14 2017 10:18PM
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theabortionator
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DominatorJacquesYea, no worries. FB link. Maybe only likers or friends. Don't take things personal.
Folks gonna' do it, so don't let it bother you too much.


I like a pristine park. Im pretty easy going, but it will always bother me to an extent.

Also have had side jumper run over my board, and almost hit me, while fixing the take off they destroy from side jumping. The viscious circle jerk of life.
Mar 15 2017 12:07AM
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Casey
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I'm going to go side jumping the park now. Side jump edit pending
Mar 15 2017 2:06AM
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DominatorJacques
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theabortionatorI like a pristine park. Im pretty easy going, but it will always bother me to an extent.

Also have had side jumper run over my board, and almost hit me, while fixing the take off they destroy from side jumping. The viscious circle jerk of life.


Yea, I feel your pain. Some folks just don't know the etiquette yet.
Best you can do is try to educate them in the nicest way you can.
Way not cool to hit a ramp when it is being serviced. Those folks do need a taking to with a stern warning. Maybe even a pass pulled for the day. That's a true safety issue.
If they know what they are doing, then that's even worse.
Mar 15 2017 10:24AM
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cannonballer
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Jesus is dead. There, I just solved your whole problem.
Mar 15 2017 10:41AM
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OregonDead
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These aren't the side jumpers you're looking for.
Mar 15 2017 2:28PM
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DominatorJacques
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OregonDeadThese aren't the side jumpers you're looking for.


Oregon Juan Ka-Know-Be!
Mar 15 2017 5:13PM
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SammyDubz
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CaseyI'm going to go side jumping the park now. Side jump edit pending


Petition to replace 5050 straight air edit thread with side jumping edit thread
Mar 15 2017 5:25PM
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SofaKingSick
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SammyDubzPetition to replace 5050 straight air edit thread with side jumping edit thread


need my buddy for this one. dude hasn't landed on a transition since 'Nam
Mar 15 2017 5:47PM
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weedoo
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I feel like it must be so frustrating for the park patrol to see kids doing this shit. I know they get paid to do it but still...
Mar 20 2017 1:04PM
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theabortionator
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weedooI feel like it must be so frustrating for the park patrol to see kids doing this shit. I know they get paid to do it but still...


Nothing like rebulding every take off to watch families roll the corners right after. Bonus points if they run over you gear and roll or side jump while youre raking.

Jackpot ot they smash your gear and run you over while making their way toward the takeoff.
Mar 20 2017 3:28PM
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weedoo
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theabortionatorNothing like rebulding every take off to watch families roll the corners right after. Bonus points if they run over you gear and roll or side jump while youre raking.

Jackpot ot they smash your gear and run you over while making their way toward the takeoff.


No kidding, I went skiing with one of my good friends who was using the side hit quite frequently on features he could've easily done just because he didn't want to hurt himself and ended up getting yelled at by a park patrol. My friend was upset at the guy, saying that its his job do do that. I told him how frustrated he would be if he was in the park patrol's position and that people would keep going over the nicely formed hits you were making. He never did it again after that lmao
Mar 20 2017 9:17PM
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DominatorJacques
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I'm not sure if what you will see up in here is really a side jump as it is play on the side of a huge knuckle, but one must use caution for sure.
Check it out. I'll see if I can link to the right time.
https://youtu.be/iY0vqAcsuic?t=4m48s
Mar 20 2017 11:55PM
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DominatorJacques
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Still waiting for the side jump edit from some one up in here.
I still think it can be done without messing up the on ramps if one is cool about it.
Mar 21 2017 12:05AM
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