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RudyGarmischhot boxed.
casualYou guys on on3ps.... can I feel good about skiing these as is without fucking with a wax or tune? Kartel 98s
DrZoidbergI ski in NJ and PA, often when it's dark, more or less all park since that's all we have. I like to think I've developed a good ice technique over my career. I do like ripping hard turns and getting leaned over, which is where skinnier full camber park skis come in. Will I have an issue on the Magnus? I'd like to try something different after riding skinny cambered park skis for so long. I tried FRs and liked them, but that was a warm day in slush.
I suppose the real question is are they that much worse on ice than any other dull edge park ski, assuming the pilot isn't a gaper? And do they turn that much worse than a full camber ski? I'd imagine no.
kid-kapowpowder listed the billy goats in their top playful skis range - yet i have always thought the them to be chargy and the one pair i have laid my hands on were quite stiff. If anybody with some time on the 17s or 18s would chime in on how they ride across the scale (meaning, are they like the bibbys that work great across a great range of snow conditions, or more of a pow/tracked pow one trick pony?) it would be greatly appreciated. :)
(and don't even get me started on the idiotic test venue that is powder week... It should rather be called bias week, but oh well. :) )
BeetleJuiceBibbys are better on groomers, but everywhere else I enjoy the Billy Goats much, much more. BGs have a similar speed limit, so they are very fast and can charge hard for no-metal, but the shape is much more surfy, quick and more fun than the bibby, although in a directional manner.
If you dont ski switch often (BGs can ski switch but it’s not there forte), and have another ski for groomers, DEFINITELY get BGs. You wont regret it.
They are definitely stiff. My 2017 189 BGs are almost as stiff as my 191 Wrens... but the shape makes them very fun and maneuverable.
The Billy Goats feel better in the air, and have a better landing feel too.
.lenconI think Jake Doan was ripping on the BGs this year.. and there's some vids of him going switch on the BGs. Def not as good as a Bibby, Jeffrey, Kartel, etc, but people overlook directional skis on the playful side. Same thing happens with playful skis too though.. people think they can't charge.
kid-kapowi almost never ride switch absolutely sucking at it, so that is not a huge criteria for me. Thanks a lot for chiming in though. Looking at the shape what you say makes sense. I am really quite taken with the bg's asymmetrical design. It just seemingly makes a lot of sense.
.MASSHOLE.PSA, there is now a Supergoat.
.MASSHOLE.PSA, there is now a Supergoat.
BWalmerI rocked my FRs in a similar situation for years. It’s weird at first, but you get used to it real quick as long as you know what your doing on skis. You’re certainly not going to be GS turning them in those conditions, but you’re also not gonna die. You’ve gotta kinda figure out where to put pressure while turning in those conditions, like for me it required more heel pressure in while on super icy conditions- but that almost made it really fun cause it was like a completely different experience and I was able to start doing these almost butter-turns when it was like that.
So yeah, you’ll be good, just go slow for the first run or two on ice just to kinda feel it out (or be really hammered — cause that’s what I did the first time...)
SessionI think one of the things that seperates ON3P from a lot of other brands is how obsessive they are about the finishing process of their skis. They get to you ready to ski, with wax, great structure, and sharp edges.
BeetleJuiceAll yall rippers and clydesdales, step up for the Supergoat or regret it FOREVER!
.lenconNot until the ugly top sheet contest returns. And since I am like 5'8" and the heaviest I have ever been was 150 pounds I think they would murder me.
BeetleJuiceYes, they would probably eat you alive. Tell all your friends though, Big & Tall, Fat & Wide.. or anyone who just plain rips and has access to big mountain-style terrain.
.lenconjust trying to find a place that isn't crazy expensive and crowded.
division.bellFuck, aren't we all.
.lenconI'm quoting you all over the place;)
I really want to move somewhere soon with better big mountain terrain. Not too bad here in SE Idaho, but lack of snow kinda holds us back. Thinking of making a move.. just trying to find a place that isn't crazy expensive and crowded. I have a few ideas, but the drive to the resort would be more than an hour, which I'm not stoked on. Other locations would be me in the backcountry 75% of the time, which would be cool..
PowTronSupergoats are getting lots of interest. Step it up if you want some as we may not make them after this first two weeks :)
BeetleJuiceBig Sky! I pay a little over $800 a month, walk to lifts, and the mountain is gnarly.
SLC is cool, but I feel like I’d need a new transmission and new brakes every year commuting up LCC. Plus smog..
Teton Village is just insane.
Mammoth might not be stupid expensive, but haven't really checked.
So what you’re saying, is I need to get two pair?
.lenconI really need to check out big sky.
Its expensive though! I've looked at the pass prices and it's crazy. And $800 is insane.. for me at least. I could live in Bozeman I guess.. but it's always nice to be closer.
SLC is cool.
im debating just stayin where I'm at though..
Only 2-3 hours away from everything you mentioned besides mammoth. And I guess big sky is 5 hours.
DaphIf you wanna come rip big sky for a day this winter hmu, I can get you a ticket voucher
DrZoidbergWhy is there a 191cm Billy Goat for $5000 in the section called champagne room on the website? There's obviously a joke I'm missing here. Can somebody explain?
DrZoidbergWhy is there a 191cm Billy Goat for $5000 in the section called champagne room on the website? There's obviously a joke I'm missing here. Can somebody explain?
.lenconSupergoat will mean nothing until they bring back the ugly top sheet contest.
Do it Iggy.. you won't.
But seriously, I am stoked for the few people I know who could use the Supergoat. And also bring back the ugly top sheet contest.
.lenconThat room isn't for you. Scram.
rudagerI just broke my ugly top sheet Filthy Riches the other day. It was the end of the sexiest ski I’ve ever seen. After 5 seasons, it’s now time to mojnt up the skis on a wall.
Please remember to bury me with them.
I also love the idea of a 193 BG, I skied two seasons on Billy Goats, then the past two seasons on Jeffrey 122s, as much as I loved the Jeffrey’s, there was just something about the BG that makes me want to get them again (instead of some Kartel 116).
Between skiing at two hills, I’ve found that the Jeffrey works really well at one hill, and can have some weaknesses on the other hill. Where as I feel the BG balances well in the middle for all types of terrain.
If you get my drift, I kind of forgot where this response is going.
rudagerI also love the idea of a 193 BG, I skied two seasons on Billy Goats, then the past two seasons on Jeffrey 122s, as much as I loved the Jeffrey’s, there was just something about the BG that makes me want to get them again (instead of some Kartel 116).
Between skiing at two hills, I’ve found that the Jeffrey works really well at one hill, and can have some weaknesses on the other hill. Where as I feel the BG balances well in the middle for all types of terrain.
If you get my drift, I kind of forgot where this response is going.
BeetleJuiceLol. Dude you should make a trip up to the Sky this season..
Get the Supergoat while they last! Who knows when they will be available again.. choose your flex based on where/how you ski.
division.bellYou'd love the Kartel 116's.
I've had at least one pair of BG's in my quiver since the first year 191's, 11/12 I think? I've owned Caylors which were one of my favorite skis ever, and 3 variations of Jeffrey's (OG 108's/110's/and 122's). I personally thought the Jeffrey 122's were a step back from the Caylor's, and would grab BG's on any soft day 9.5 days out of 10 before grabbing the Jeffrey 122's.
In my opinion, the Kartel 116's were everything I loved about the Caylors and everything the Jeffrey 122's were not. Way more agile and nimble than Caylors/Jeffrey 122's, but just as stable as every ON3P ski you've ridden and loved. I honestly did not expect to enjoy the Kartel 116's as much as I did, I demo'd them just to get a feel for the new model and came away exceptionally impressed. I will definitely be picking up a set of Kartel 116's.
I will always have a place in my heart and quiver for BG's. While I don't currently have any BG's in my possession, I will definitely have some before the end of the season.
...point being, try out some Kartel 116's before writing them off. You may find yourself wanting both Kartel 116's and BG's...haha.
SessionLiterally gone back in forth between the BG and the Caylor/Jeffery/Kartel for like the last 7 years. I love them all. I went from BG's back to K116 for the last 2 years. Ready to get back on BG's for the experience they deliver. But I could be happy on either.
DrZoidbergJust bought one of the two pairs of 171 Magnus left on the site. This is the first time I'll have a ski that isn't a a few seasons old and my first new ski in a while. Feels good, and good thing it's 71 degrees in november too so I'll get to use them super soon... Send me lots of stickers pls?
DrZoidbergWhy is there a 191cm Billy Goat for $5000 in the section called champagne room on the website? There's obviously a joke I'm missing here. Can somebody explain?
.MASSHOLE.It's exactly what BWalmer said.
Over on TGR, there is a lot of bitching about how there is no 190+ option for the BG while in reality the 189 and 191 are more or less the same ski.
**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2017 at 10:38:17am
SofaKingSicksorry i dont keep up. they actually make a 189 AND a 191?
.MASSHOLE.Sort of.
Last year (I believe) they went from a 191 BG to a 189, but the ski is effectively the same.
This year they're offering a limited edition Super BillyGoat in a 191 which will be longer (again I believe) and stiffer with a different tail profile.
.MASSHOLE.Sort of.
Last year (I believe) they went from a 191 BG to a 189, but the ski is effectively the same.
This year they're offering a limited edition Super BillyGoat in a 191 which will be longer (again I believe) and stiffer with a different tail profile.
SofaKingSickoh, were people bitching about the 191 being gone? that's funny
